Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[Boddiebroadus]

Also with hill gone Jack could easily play ss 

[ALPHA]

9 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Also with hill gone Jack could easily play ss 

He could easily, it seems like the Jags are interested in him though.

[RavensDieHard21]

17 hours ago, Gordo52 said:

Friendly wager says he won't fall that far. 

Treadwell is worth it at 6. Couldn't care less about his 40. 

I'd wager he will go between 13 and 20. And absolutely not. I would not take Treadwell and would rather take two second rounders from LA and trade out of the first then take him at 6

[Inqui]

Just now, RavensDieHard21 said:

I'd wager he will go between 13 and 20. And absolutely not. I would not take Treadwell and would rather take two second rounders from LA and trade out of the first then take him at 6

What if we can't get two 2nds from the Rams? It takes two to trade and this is Jeff Fisher we're talking about. He's just as likely to take Noah Spence or A'Shawn Robinson or some player they don't really need.

[GrimCoconut]

17 minutes ago, Inqui said:

What if we can't get two 2nds from the Rams? It takes two to trade and this is Jeff Fisher we're talking about. He's just as likely to take Noah Spence or A'Shawn Robinson or some player they don't really need.

The Los Angeles Rams have acquired the #1 overall pick.

The Los Angeles Rams select with the 1st pick in the 2016 Draft...

Ezekiel Elliott, RB, The Ohio State

Jeff Fisher quickly holds a press conference in LA to explain the pick with the LA media.

Jeff Fisher: I couldn't resist having a three-headed monster of Mason, Elliott, and Gurley. Who needs a QB with you have three RBs in the backfield? lol 

The next day...

BREAKING NEWS: Jeff Fisher fired!

[Inqui]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

The Los Angeles Rams have acquired the #1 overall pick.

The Los Angeles Rams select with the 1st pick in the 2016 Draft...

Ezekiel Elliott, RB, The Ohio State

Jeff Fisher quickly holds a press conference in LA to explain the pick with the LA media.

Jeff Fisher: I couldn't resist having a three-headed monster of Mason, Elliott, and Gurley. Who needs a QB with you have three RBs in the backfield? lol 

The next day...

BREAKING NEWS: Jeff Fisher fired!

Where do you think the biggest backlash would come from? LA fans or pissed off fantasy owners?

[allblackraven]

42 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Where do you think the biggest backlash would come from? LA fans or pissed off fantasy owners?

LA Rams WR corps (if you can call it that).

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, Inqui said:

What if we can't get two 2nds from the Rams? It takes two to trade and this is Jeff Fisher we're talking about. He's just as likely to take Noah Spence or A'Shawn Robinson or some player they don't really need.

I wasn't saying it was a realistic scenario, but just to emphasis how much I hate the idea that a lot of people see Treadwell as a worthy candidate of the sixth pick. If this were a year ago and people were saying Amari Cooper then heck yes, but Treadwell is still raw with his routes and isn't really that explosive at all. Everyone keeps talking about his jump ball abilities, but that is one of the hardest things to depend on in the pros. 

[Inqui]

Just now, RavensDieHard21 said:

I wasn't saying it was a realistic scenario, but just to emphasis how much I hate the idea that a lot of people see Treadwell as a worthy candidate of the sixth pick. If this were a year ago and people were saying Amari Cooper then heck yes, but Treadwell is still raw with his routes and isn't really that explosive at all. Everyone keeps talking about his jump ball abilities, but that is one of the hardest things to depend on in the pros. 

I agree we can do a lot better at 6. I see Treadwell as more of a mid-1st and incredibly underwhelming compared to the headliners of previous WR classes. There's just been a lot of talk about fleecing the Rams (pun not really intended) and before that it was the Eagles, and I don't think it's the kind of scenario worth relying on.

Fwiw if guys like Bosa, Jack and Ramsey are all off the board I'd prefer we just stand still and take the top player on our board (my money would be on VH3 or Stanley in that case, but there are others I'd be happy enough with) unless we somehow get wowed by an offer to move back (like a future 1st or something).

[L.A.Ravens]

Really hope Jack, Ramsey or Bosa falls to us. In that order.

[thieverycorporation]

I hoping any trade back nets Fuller/Shepard/Boyd/Treadwell.  I'm sold.

[RavensDieHard21]

34 minutes ago, Inqui said:

I agree we can do a lot better at 6. I see Treadwell as more of a mid-1st and incredibly underwhelming compared to the headliners of previous WR classes. There's just been a lot of talk about fleecing the Rams (pun not really intended) and before that it was the Eagles, and I don't think it's the kind of scenario worth relying on.

Fwiw if guys like Bosa, Jack and Ramsey are all off the board I'd prefer we just stand still and take the top player on our board (my money would be on VH3 or Stanley in that case, but there are others I'd be happy enough with) unless we somehow get wowed by an offer to move back (like a future 1st or something).

I always like going into the draft with the worst case scenario in mind so that it makes the process less painful haha so I am realistically envisioning Hargreaves, Stanley, or the long shot Lawson. I can already see it this year...with the 4th pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select, Joey Bosa, Ohio State...With the 5th pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select, Myles Jack, UCLA, then we're up and with the 6th pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select, Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame, which will then be followed by me dropping my beverage and yelling immediately only to come to my senses the next day that he could be a legit LT for us once Monroe chips a nail...the struggle is real

[gtalk12]

Finally saw some tape, kind of want Jack now to play next to Mosley

[Deflated Football]

Apparently VH3 is more athletic than 97% of all current NFL DB's:

 

http://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/cb/

[JoeyFlex5]

58 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Apparently VH3 is more athletic than 97% of all current NFL DB's:

 

http://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/cb/

His long speed could be better but he is absolutely incredible everywhere else. He has ankles of steel and hips like water and he moves like a freaking mongoose being able to shift and swivel and explode fluidly in any direction. His sidestep in game speed looks as fast as his full sprint and he is full throttle in 2 steps. 

 

Anyone who says he's not an athlete due to an average 40 time is kidding themselves, vh3 is just a stellar cover man who has every tool except for maybe the 2 most overrated tools in a dbs arsenal.

[Deflated Football]

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His long speed could be better but he is absolutely incredible everywhere else. He has ankles of steel and hips like water and he moves like a freaking mongoose being able to shift and swivel and explode fluidly in any direction. His sidestep in game speed looks as fast as his full sprint and he is full throttle in 2 steps. 

 

Anyone who says he's not an athlete due to an average 40 time is kidding themselves, vh3 is just a stellar cover man who has every tool except for maybe the 2 most overrated tools in a dbs arsenal.

Great points! Definitely excited to have the chance of making him a Raven!

[JoeyFlex5]

20 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Great points! Definitely excited to have the chance of making him a Raven!

Assuming Bosa and Jack are gone, along with ramsey and tunsil who I'm certain will be gone... Then vh3 is the guy I want, however, I'm not sure the ravens see it that way. I'm really concerned that they have guys like Stanley, zeke, and buckner rated higher.

[Raven504]

What are the chances we actually draft Stanley? Are we going to take him over a guy like Buckner if he is the last big name defensive guy there? 

[Drew P]

4 minutes ago, Raven504 said:

What are the chances we actually draft Stanley? Are we going to take him over a guy like Buckner if he is the last big name defensive guy there? 

I hope not. Thats early for a guy that's gonna be playing guard.

[allblackraven]

9 minutes ago, Raven504 said:

What are the chances we actually draft Stanley? Are we going to take him over a guy like Buckner if he is the last big name defensive guy there? 

I think chances are pretty good for that to happen.

[Jaybirds]

I kinda think we sign a lineman between now and game 1.  Maybe a June cut, maybe a guy who gets cut in camp.  But if there's a two-year, high character, good health guy out there (the Ben Watson of tackles), then I think that's more likely than Stanley.  It's like JoeyFlex said after KO signed elsewhere:  they probably knew this was going to happen, and they probably have  plan already. 

[ravensdan]

On March 16, 2016 at 3:49 AM, Gordo52 said:

Friendly wager says he won't fall that far. 

Treadwell is worth it at 6. Couldn't care less about his 40. 

Treadwell at 6?  If we are going to take a skill player Elliott is far and away way bigger impact than treadwell. 

[Cville-Raven]

3 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Apparently VH3 is more athletic than 97% of all current NFL DB's:

 

http://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/cb/

I could see it. His vertical is insane for a 5'10" guy. 

[ALPHA]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His long speed could be better but he is absolutely incredible everywhere else. He has ankles of steel and hips like water and he moves like a freaking mongoose being able to shift and swivel and explode fluidly in any direction. His sidestep in game speed looks as fast as his full sprint and he is full throttle in 2 steps. 

 

Anyone who says he's not an athlete due to an average 40 time is kidding themselves, vh3 is just a stellar cover man who has every tool except for maybe the 2 most overrated tools in a dbs arsenal.

He struggled against taller receivers in deep coverage but that could be because of the zone scheme. His biggest issue might just be durability

[L.A.Ravens]

39 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

He struggled against taller receivers in deep coverage but that could be because of the zone scheme. His biggest issue might just be durability

He would be great for when we play the patriots. Brady doesn't throw it 15 or more yards. It's just quick throws. My opinion Brady is over rated.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, ALPHA said:

He struggled against taller receivers in deep coverage but that could be because of the zone scheme. His biggest issue might just be durability

Well he is a 5'10" cb so you have to look at that, but you also have to remember how much movement is sacrificed to get a taller cb, those 6 foot and taller guys seriously lack fluidity and closing speed compared to a guy like vh3. I personally would prefer a guy who I know is absolutely locking down 1 to 20 yards because deep coverage is best left with safety help anyway. 

 

Also, those big tall corners still struggle in deep coverage because if they bite on a double move then they typically are toasted, they tend to be too stiff to recover and get back downfield, vh3 has the takeoff to recover and at least bring a disruption on a deep throw if he bites early. Jimmy Smith and Richard Sherman are good examples of tall corners who struggle to recover after even the slightest bite.

 

[Maryland]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His long speed could be better but he is absolutely incredible everywhere else. He has ankles of steel and hips like water and he moves like a freaking mongoose being able to shift and swivel and explode fluidly in any direction. His sidestep in game speed looks as fast as his full sprint and he is full throttle in 2 steps. 

Anyone who says he's not an athlete due to an average 40 time is kidding themselves, vh3 is just a stellar cover man who has every tool except for maybe the 2 most overrated tools in a dbs arsenal.

Well said, and agree 100%. I can't remember which game it was, but even on a flea-flicker with no safety help, VH3 forced a perfect throw deep. It was complete, but he was within a yard of the guy. Long speed is less important when you've got reliable safety help anyway. I do remember him getting burned a few times last season though. 

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Assuming Bosa and Jack are gone, along with ramsey and tunsil who I'm certain will be gone... Then vh3 is the guy I want, however, I'm not sure the ravens see it that way. I'm really concerned that they have guys like Stanley, zeke, and buckner rated higher.

I don't think they would reach on Stanley, but Buckner is possible. I remember back to last year when they REALLY wanted Marcus Peters, so CB must still be high on their list of needs. I would bet VH3 is a coveted player for this reason. He would be the absolute perfect CB for the defense that Pees runs because he excels in off-coverage. Plus he would be a great compliment to Jimmy, who can handle the bigger WRs. 

[Gordo52]

9 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Treadwell at 6?  If we are going to take a skill player Elliott is far and away way bigger impact than treadwell. 

Disagree. Treadwell would be perfect for our offense. A Dez/Jeffery potential would make a more positive impact with Forsett/Buck/whoever than Elliot with Aiken?/Perriman/whoever. (thinking long term here)

Highly skilled WR's with big ceilings/low floor are way more coveted than RB's with the same. I love Elliot but drafting a RB in the top half of the 1st is gross unless they're insanely talented and it's a weak class. 

So as you can see, I'm higher on Treadwell's potential than most, and especially if it's with us. Give Joe someone young & legit outside who we can depend on during his prime years, build chemistry with and not labor as hard.

 

With Wallace signed, I'm dubious we'd draft him now. I'm not comfortable with current core. I'm also tired of the revolving door at such a pivotal position. In a year Smith will be gone. Aiken will be a FA. Perriman is still a major question mark. Wallace a 1 trick pony whose best attribute is in steady decline. & Camp got hurt reading this....

Not fair Joe can't get a steady group to throw to for consecutive years. Tread is a future #1 in my eyes. Assuming no trades, it's our last chance to get one for who knows how long. 

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@RavensDieHard21

Strongly disagree. I expect him to land with either Ravens, Buccs, Giants, Saints, Lions, or Falcons. Could see a trade up for him maybe. 

Edited March 18, 2016 by Gordo52
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[ravensdan]

7 hours ago, Gordo52 said:

Disagree. Treadwell would be perfect for our offense. A Dez/Jeffery potential would make a more positive impact with Forsett/Buck/whoever than Elliot with Aiken?/Perriman/whoever. (thinking long term here)

Highly skilled WR's with big ceilings/low floor are way more coveted than RB's with the same. I love Elliot but drafting a RB in the top half of the 1st is gross unless they're insanely talented and it's a weak class. 

So as you can see, I'm higher on Treadwell's potential than most, and especially if it's with us. Give Joe someone young & legit outside who we can depend on during his prime years, build chemistry with and not labor as hard.

 

With Wallace signed, I'm dubious we'd draft him now. I'm not comfortable with current core. I'm also tired of the revolving door at such a pivotal position. In a year Smith will be gone. Aiken will be a FA. Perriman is still a major question mark. Wallace a 1 trick pony whose best attribute is in steady decline. & Camp got hurt reading this....

Not fair Joe can't get a steady group to throw to for consecutive years. Tread is a future #1 in my eyes. Assuming no trades, it's our last chance to get one for who knows how long. 

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@RavensDieHard21

Strongly disagree. I expect him to land with either Ravens, Buccs, Giants, Saints, Lions, or Falcons. Could see a trade up for him maybe. 

Ok so first off I have to question lumping Jeffrey in with Dez there's a gap of probably 20 players between those 2. If you are saying treadwell style wise maybe there's some comparison there but I just find rating him this high very suspect. I don't see nearly that type of ceiling. He's a guy that's going to be slow and have problems separating. That's a pretty major issue. It's just not the year with a Julio jones right here in the top 5. 

 

Elliott on the other hand if we are going to go with a skill player which is doubtful a far and away the best rb in this class and best in many classes. He has speed agility. Toughness in the hole. Vision. Explosion. He can receive and block. So we're talking a three down difference maker who can impact a game like lev bell. 

[52520Andrew]

Yeah I think Elliott is the best RB not named Gurley to come out probably since AP(there aren't many clear superstars coming out at RB these days, that will change next year). I just don't have him in my top 6, we have bigger needs and I like a lot of the players right now to fill those needs. I also don't value RB all that highly as there are lots of examples these days of top RBs taken later than the first.