Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[ludy51]

13 hours ago, Winchester said:

He often struggled even while in Jacksonville. Just run a search of Eugene struggling at left tackle and see what comes up!! I know you are hoping he will play well for the ravens. But that is why the jags traded him. He was to inconsistent and jags did not have any interest resigning him.

Not a completely biased search at all.......

[ravensdan]

On March 11, 2016 at 11:21 AM, allblackraven said:

Maybe it's the position he plays but I think you have to include Kam Chancelor on that list. His pouting about money and overall weirdness aside, that guy makes so many crucial plays it's not funny.

Really?  I don't think he's that critical at all. I agree with Grim. 1. Thomas. 2.  Wagner.  There's plenty of guys that could interchange for chancellor. 

[Winchester]

3 hours ago, ludy51 said:

Not a completely biased search at all.......

But if he is a good player you shouldn't find much of his terrible play??

[ludy51]

56 minutes ago, Winchester said:

But if he is a good player you shouldn't find much of his terrible play??

They'll just find your posts

[BmoreBird22]

On 3/11/2016 at 0:16 PM, ALPHA said:

No, the Jags traded Monroe because he was in the last year of his contract and they drafted Luke Joekel to be his replacement. What you are describing with your most recent piece of negationism is closer to James Hursts level of play.

I actually remember watching NFL Network and one of their analysts singled him out as the best LT in the league a year or two before the Ravens traded for him.

[SammyG]

I am just worried about VH3. The end of the year was a little unsettling, but I don't really hold that against him. What I don't like is when you watch tape of him tackle and the you watch tape of Matt Elam tackle, it's practically identical. So if he doesn't wrap his guy up consistently, and he likes to be aggressive and jump routes, that seems like you're going to see 4 interceptions, but 4 times he gets burned for a long touchdown. Now that might not be so bad as a rookie, but if additionally he misses tackles Matt Elam style, he's going to be a liability because it seems we cannot coach that bad habit out.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, SammyG said:

I am just worried about VH3. The end of the year was a little unsettling, but I don't really hold that against him. What I don't like is when you watch tape of him tackle and the you watch tape of Matt Elam tackle, it's practically identical. So if he doesn't wrap his guy up consistently, and he likes to be aggressive and jump routes, that seems like you're going to see 4 interceptions, but 4 times he gets burned for a long touchdown. Now that might not be so bad as a rookie, but if additionally he misses tackles Matt Elam style, he's going to be a liability because it seems we cannot coach that bad habit out.

It's a lot less concerning when Elam is a box safety who can't tackle and has trying to tackle rbs and blow up screens, compared to a coverage cb who should be faced with much less tackling opportunities and typically has the sideline to help him out and is also likely tackling guys right after the catch making them less prepared to make a move.

 

Vh3 is an absolute technician who takes calculated risks and he was playing safe at the end of his season, same way bosa did, same way a lot of players do. I think it's of no concern. 

 

The only concern I hAve is a cb with shorter arms facing the big wrs of the afc north

[Boddiebroadus]

Now with us signing weddle who do we draft now? I see some quality dbs after the first. So if the top five is gone do we still go after vh3? 

[ellicottraven]

1 minute ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Now with us signing weddle who do we draft now? I see some quality dbs after the first. So if the top five is gone do we still go after vh3? 

I doubt it. But, if we do, we'll perhaps have the most loaded secondary in all of the NFL. Think Jimmy Smith, VH3, Wright/Webby, Hill and Weddle! That is a throwing QB's nightmare scenario. But, if we could I think we either go tackle or pass rusher.

[SammyG]

I think Weddle means Webb is back in the slot to be honest which I am happier about frankly. I expect Wallace to sign here tomorrow. If that happens I think we need a OT, OLB, and MLB. With emphasis on MLB in my opinion. I think Monroe will be serviceable if healthy, we just need an insurance policy. With suggs coming back, that helps a lot and Zadarius smith looked pretty decent at the end of last year. But again, insurance necessary. Now Zach Orr has been a pleasant surprise, but I now think adding myles jack has the biggest impact on our team. Have real high hopes for this 2016 team. Go ravens!

[JoeyFlex5]

I think signing weddle puts us in a prime spot to draft whoever we think is by far the BPA. Less pressure to draft vh3 if we feel Shaq lawson or buckner is the superior player. 

 

I just hope we don't reach on Stanley because I just don't see him as a top 10 guy, he just lacks the drive you want to see in a First round OT

[Boddiebroadus]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think signing weddle puts us in a prime spot to draft whoever we think is by far the BPA. Less pressure to draft vh3 if we feel Shaq lawson or buckner is the superior player. 

 

I just hope we don't reach on Stanley because I just don't see him as a top 10 guy, he just lacks the drive you want to see in a First round OT

If the top five guys are gone I think it's a big possibility we trade down

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

If the top five guys are gone I think it's a big possibility we trade down

Takes two to trade. 

 

If the price is wrong we stay put.

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think signing weddle puts us in a prime spot to draft whoever we think is by far the BPA. Less pressure to draft vh3 if we feel Shaq lawson or buckner is the superior player. 

 

I just hope we don't reach on Stanley because I just don't see him as a top 10 guy, he just lacks the drive you want to see in a First round OT

Totally agree on stanley, i couldnt care less about him. Maybe in a trade back but not at 6. Would love to see myles jack fall at 6 to us, i think he would make our entire defense into something scary good. We would get so many coverage sacks with that alone and maybe get a pass rusher in the second would bolster us even more.

Also wouldnt mind buckner or bosa, just dont see dallas pass up on bosa at this point. Hes a perfect fit for them.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Takes two to trade. 

 

If the price is wrong we stay put.

Lolololol the fact that this was negged....

 

This board needs a serious troll purging, it's getting ridiculous.

 

 

[ravensnation5220]

I liked it to get rid of that neg lol

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think signing weddle puts us in a prime spot to draft whoever we think is by far the BPA. Less pressure to draft vh3 if we feel Shaq lawson or buckner is the superior player. 

 

I just hope we don't reach on Stanley because I just don't see him as a top 10 guy, he just lacks the drive you want to see in a First round OT

Thank you! At this point I see Cleveland defying the odds and signing Kap, leaving us with Buckner or Lawson to pick from with VH3 going to the jags. I like Buckner slightly more due to his unique build and skill set, but Lawson is a rather polished pass rusher with good hands, explosiveness when needed and high IQ, if he can keep working on his ability to drop back and cover, he will be a great pick too.

[RavensDieHard21]

With a bolstering in our secondary with Weddle, I see us going.

RD 1: Buckner- scary interior pass rush would ensue and he can plug the run up easily

RD 2: Spence- People think it's a dream scenario, but with his lackluster combine and interviews, with a past of getting into trouble with drugs, I see other teams valuing other pass rushers, which is fine for us as he is on the cusp of being blue chip talent wise and seemed to have matured

RD 3: Scooby Wright- Not elite in coverage, but solid and has a similar style to CJ Mosley, instinctive, quick, and a great blitzing linebacker. His injuries will make him tumble into the third

RD4: Beavers( But am hoping Jaylon Smith falls this far for the gamble potential)- His stock isn't any worse, but analysts and scouts are being drawn to other talents

[JoeyFlex5]

Scooby is not a 3rd rounder. Hes a ST ace and high effort camp guy and goal line gap plugger at best. He doesn't have the movement skills to succeed in the NFL

[ALPHA]

I hoping for a corner but I'm not 100 on VH3.

[Jacquouille]

I'm also hoping for Buckner + a speed rusher, may it be Spence, Ngakoue, Schobert, Nicholas or Calhoun. 

[sflegend89]

I would implore Ozzie/Eric to give our 3rd (and original 4th if we had to) to go up and get Ramsey, 3rd round players are where it really starts to be hit-or-miss. Would you give up a Terrance Brooks/Carl Davis type player to go up and get the best player in the draft? I certainly would. We have FOUR 4th round picks for crying out loud, give up that 3rd and original 4th to SD if we have to. The only way this falls apart is Cleveland takes Ramsey at 2. 

[PurpleCity5]

14 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

I would implore Ozzie/Eric to give our 3rd (and original 4th if we had to) to go up and get Ramsey, 3rd round players are where it really starts to be hit-or-miss. Would you give up a Terrance Brooks/Carl Davis type player to go up and get the best player in the draft? I certainly would. We have FOUR 4th round picks for crying out loud, give up that 3rd and original 4th to SD if we have to. The only way this falls apart is Cleveland takes Ramsey at 2. 

No one would move back from the 2nd or 3rd spot for a 3rd round pick. If we wanted to move up that high then we better offer multiple picks. I would contend that we might have to part ways with a future first and a 2nd for this year. Especially since some teams in the top 5 would love a Jalen Ramsey. 

Edited March 14, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[ALPHA]

Imagine trading multiple picks to get Ramsey and he's a bust or he has a career ending injury. It's a team sport, you can't mortgage your house on one player.

[Cillmatic]

Can someone give me the link to ONE game in which Buckner looks good?

[Jacquouille]

18 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

I would implore Ozzie/Eric to give our 3rd (and original 4th if we had to) to go up and get Ramsey, 3rd round players are where it really starts to be hit-or-miss. Would you give up a Terrance Brooks/Carl Davis type player to go up and get the best player in the draft? I certainly would. We have FOUR 4th round picks for crying out loud, give up that 3rd and original 4th to SD if we have to. The only way this falls apart is Cleveland takes Ramsey at 2. 

There are several points on which I disagree.

1st: our 3rd pick is closer to our usual second than our usual 3rd. I do see your point however.

2nd: As stated above, a 3rd and even a 4th (because we can only trade one of our 4th) won't be enough. Maybe by adding next year's 3rd and a late pick.

3rd: With Weddle now a Raven, you would take Ramsey before Bosa or Jack?

[Jacquouille]

14 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Can someone give me the link to ONE game in which Buckner looks good?

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/deforest-buckner-vs-washington-2015/

 

A few awareness mistakes, but you can see how disruptive he can be at times, esp when lined up on the edge. He isn't the game changer that Myles Jack is, but if you put that alongside BW and Timmy, that's gonna be a nightmare for any pocket passer.

Edited March 14, 2016 by Jacquouille

[sflegend89]

According to the draft value chart just our 3rd and 4th would cover the swap with SD and then some... remember it's almost like late 2nd and late 3rd round picks so you can see that the value is there for a team like SD who has a lot of holes to fill and can still get a top talent at 6 albeit not Ramsey or Tunsil. Would even throw in a 2017 4th if they were being stingy. I don't see how people are saying it would be mortgaging our future, we have FOUR 4th round picks, plenty of mid round ammunition still. Quality trumps quantity ever day of the week. This isn't a great draft class, you have 2 TRULY special players available and Ramsey is one of them. Those 3rd/4th round picks have far more value during the draft than they ever seem to have 2-3 years down the road when you see who those selections become. Sometimes you hit on them sometimes you don't.

 

Quality over quantity, especially when the draft class as a whole isn't very strong. Get the blue chip talent, I think teams regret passing up on those types of talents more than they ever do wondering who they could've had in the mid rounds with the picks they gave up. We'll still have our 2nd, 2 picks in the 4th, and a 6th, it really is super manageable for the caliber of player Ramsey is.

Edited March 14, 2016 by sflegend89

[Cillmatic]

VH3 will likely be the best player available when we pick. Will be nice added a ballhawk to the team.

[ellicottraven]

3 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

VH3 will likely be the best player available when we pick. Will be nice added a ballhawk to the team.

You may indeed be correct if the Browns don't pick a QB by dealing for Kaepernik.