Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[52520Andrew]

This thread is back with a new poll for you all to dissect. We are still operating under a worst case scenario situation here where we have to make a pick. There is a fairly clear top 5 for most people including Bosa, Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack, and Buckner in no particular order. What I want to do with this is to see who we should pick if the Browns do not go QB(although I honestly think they will go QB) and our top 5 all go. And let's just pretend that in this situation, the QB needy teams do not want to trade up for one and we are stuck with our pick.

And now for my usual disclaimer. I do not agree that all of the names listed in this poll should be taken at 6 and they are in no particular order but I want to provide as many options as I can to see what people think.

I also threw in a second question regarding which member of the top 5 was most realistic to make our pick if the Browns do in fact go QB.

Tunsil, Buckner, Bosa, Jack, and Ramsey are not choices in the first poll as they are picked. This is a worst case scenario situation

Edited March 31, 2016 by 52520Andrew

[sflegend89]

VH3 for me. He will in all likelihood be on the board when we pick, arguably the best pure cover corner in the draft, looked great at the combine, and comes at a position of major need. For reference he ran a faster 40 than Joe Haden and out jumped him as well. There's some other names in the mix like Jack/Buckner/Stanley and Bosa if he somehow made it to us but my early indication is VH3 will be the pick.

Very excited about him possibly joining our defense.

Edited March 1, 2016 by sflegend89

[sflegend89]

Also the "Who should we pick" portion of the poll should definitely include Jack, Buckner, Stanley, among some others. No reason for Wentz/Goff/Robinson/Lawson/Smith to even be in consideration at #6.

[52520Andrew]

22 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Also the "Who should we pick" portion of the poll should definitely include Jack, Buckner, Stanley, among some others. No reason for Wentz/Goff/Robinson/Lawson/Smith to even be in consideration at #6.

Stanley is included in the poll while Buckner and Jack are already picked in this scenario

[ALI624]

I believe the draft will go Tunsil, Wentz, Ramsey, Bosa, Jack and it will come down to VH3 and Buckner personally I would go VH3. Think it addresses an immediate need and I think he is going to be a great CB. Also I think that Ramsey, Alexander, Apple and Jackson at least go before we pick again in the second round.

[GrimCoconut]

Hargreaves if we re-sign KO, else Stanley if we don't. I think we'll bring KO back, so I chose VH3. 

I think Bosa makes it to our pick between him and Ramsey, which is who I think we want the most. I feel one of Ramsey or Bosa makes it to our pick, but I think Bosa is the likeliest. I think we may choose Bosa even if Ramsey is there, but that would be a tough call, man. Wow. I'd hate to be the guy to make that choice.

Edited March 1, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[ravensnation5220]

35 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Hargreaves if we re-sign KO, else Stanley if we don't. I think we'll bring KO back, so I chose VH3. 

I think Bosa makes it to our pick between him and Ramsey, which is who I think we want the most. I feel one of Ramsey or Bosa makes it to our pick, but I think Bosa is the likeliest. I think we may choose Bosa even if Ramsey is there, but that would be a tough call, man. Wow. I'd hate to be the guy to make that choice.

Id hope we take vh3 in that senario regardless of ko, on the other note i see no way in ramsey and bosa at 6. Its hard to see either one fall to us having to pass san diego, dallas and jax. They will all take either bosa, ramsey, jack, or buckner in any order and well be left with whoever. That is if Cleveland picks a qb, and if i were them i wouldnt know who to pick, goff has small hands and that will hurt him in our division while wentz looks like hed be better off sitting a year so idk what will happen

I just know i dont want to end up with stanley. Imo he wont be bpa there regardless of cenario. If we do pick him its based off need and the fact that we cant trust monroe  

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Id hope we take vh3 in that senario regardless of ko, on the other note i see no way in ramsey and bosa at 6. Its hard to see either one fall to us having to pass san diego, dallas and jax. They will all take either bosa, ramsey, jack, or buckner in any order and well be left with whoever. That is if Cleveland picks a qb, and if i were them i wouldnt know who to pick, goff has small hands and that will hurt him in our division while wentz looks like hed be better off sitting a year so idk what will happen

I just know i dont want to end up with stanley. Imo he wont be bpa there regardless of cenario. If we do pick him its based off need and the fact that we cant trust monroe  

I agree that it seems unlikely they all pass on them, but it's certainly possible:

1. Tunsil

2. Wentz

3. Buckner or Stanley (who knows)

4. Goff (Dallas trades back and Rams move up, or Dallas takes him regardless)

5. Jack

 

There you have it, your Ramsey & Bosa scenario. 

I really like Stanley. I don't get the dislike for him. Yeah, he isn't the strongest guy and doesn't play with that mean streak you want to see, but I wouldn't call him soft, either. He's plenty nasty out there and his pass protection is top-notch. I think Tunsil is better as both a pass protector and in the run, but Stanley is no slouch and he's better than every LT prospect that's recently come out. I do like that guy Spriggs, though, so maybe something happens there and we get him in the 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised either way. 

[52520Andrew]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I agree that it seems unlikely they all pass on them, but it's certainly possible:

1. Tunsil

2. Wentz

3. Buckner or Stanley (who knows)

4. Goff (Dallas trades back and Rams move up, or Dallas takes him regardless)

5. Jack

 

There you have it, your Ramsey & Bosa scenario. 

I really like Stanley. I don't get the dislike for him. Yeah, he isn't the strongest guy and doesn't play with that mean streak you want to see, but I wouldn't call him soft, either. He's plenty nasty out there and his pass protection is top-notch. I think Tunsil is better as both a pass protector and in the run, but Stanley is no slouch and he's better than every LT prospect that's recently come out. I do like that guy Spriggs, though, so maybe something happens there and we get him in the 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised either way. 

Why would the Rams move up with Dallas of all teams? Also not sold the Jaguars go with Jack as they have a good WILL in Telvin Smith. I think they would be all over Ramsey in this scenario but I think they could throw in a wild card with Hargreaves or Stanley if available.

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I agree that it seems unlikely they all pass on them, but it's certainly possible:

1. Tunsil

2. Wentz

3. Buckner or Stanley (who knows)

4. Goff (Dallas trades back and Rams move up, or Dallas takes him regardless)

5. Jack

 

There you have it, your Ramsey & Bosa scenario. 

I really like Stanley. I don't get the dislike for him. Yeah, he isn't the strongest guy and doesn't play with that mean streak you want to see, but I wouldn't call him soft, either. He's plenty nasty out there and his pass protection is top-notch. I think Tunsil is better as both a pass protector and in the run, but Stanley is no slouch and he's better than every LT prospect that's recently come out. I do like that guy Spriggs, though, so maybe something happens there and we get him in the 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised either way. 

I just get that feeling that hes not strong. I dont think he really pushes himself in the gym and it shows in his body, theres a lot of weight on that kid and i dont see a passion in his game. He got used and abused by shaq lawson and does nothing about it throughout the whole game, he can say what he wants about his desire and love of the game but his tape and work ethic dont show me hes a top 5 pick and thats what we are looking for at 6. I dont want that kind of a question mark with a top 5 pick, to me hes a trade back target. Top 10 pick for sure, just not top 5

[lgcs27288]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

I really like Stanley. I don't get the dislike for him. Yeah, he isn't the strongest guy and doesn't play with that mean streak you want to see, but I wouldn't call him soft, either. He's plenty nasty out there and his pass protection is top-notch. I think Tunsil is better as both a pass protector and in the run, but Stanley is no slouch and he's better than every LT prospect that's recently come out. I do like that guy Spriggs, though, so maybe something happens there and we get him in the 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised either way. 

I just think the "lazy" label he has gotten may remind the Ravens of Bryant McKinnie and how hard he was to work with. 

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Why would the Rams move up with Dallas of all teams? Also not sold the Jaguars go with Jack as they have a good WILL in Telvin Smith. I think they would be all over Ramsey in this scenario but I think they could throw in a wild card with Hargreaves or Stanley if available.

Jack would play MLB and not WLB. 

Well, Dallas has shown a penchant to trade back and still get their guy, so it depends on whether or not their guy is a bit later or not. I think that they want a QB, though, so I think they're very likely to go with one if they're there. 

[Deflated Football]

VH3 is very well spoken, has football in his DNA, comes from the SEC and is an all star on and off the field. Seems like a no brainer to me at six. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm going with shaq Lawson. It was between him and vh3 and I ultimately went with the more shallow position group. I figure we can absolutely find a starting cb in round 2 like wj3 or fuller which would likely be our goal. 

 

I doubt we see value at Lawson in the first but i personally think that he has low risk and the most potential and also is the prototype for a ravens OLB

[trevorsteadman]

Ravens draft board:

1. Tunsil

2. Ramsey

3. Buckner

4. Jack

5. Bosa

6. Hargreaves

 

I see a quarterback taken top 5 and I see Buckner, Jack, Bosa, or maybe even Ramsey at #6.

[balfan23]

22 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really like Stanley. I don't get the dislike for him. Yeah, he isn't the strongest guy and doesn't play with that mean streak you want to see, but I wouldn't call him soft, either. He's plenty nasty out there and his pass protection is top-notch. I think Tunsil is better as both a pass protector and in the run, but Stanley is no slouch and he's better than every LT prospect that's recently come out. I do like that guy Spriggs, though, so maybe something happens there and we get him in the 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised either way. 

I wouldn't freak out if we picked him ... but I think the reason for the dislike is just that many of us are really hoping for us to land a defensive stalwart here. Personally, whoever we pick needs to be the complete packages - skill, leadership and swagger. The only guys that have these things on this team are in the twilight of their careers. This team used to have personality that was off the charts and now it is virtually non-existent. I'm not sure who will be able to bring that for us that will be available at #6, but people don't see that in Stanley. 

[52520Andrew]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Jack would play MLB and not WLB. 

Well, Dallas has shown a penchant to trade back and still get their guy, so it depends on whether or not their guy is a bit later or not. I think that they want a QB, though, so I think they're very likely to go with one if they're there. 

I don't know, I think he would be better as a WILL in a 4-3 than the MIKE. I think Jacksonville would rather go Ramsey if available as there are a lot of things they can do with him.

They could just as easily go for the impact player that should be there at 4. One of those things that could go either way but I don't think they are going to see the value in QB at #4 overall. Personally I think Jack would fit that defense really well and they go for a QB in the second round. I could see them move back and target a guy like Billings though, I think that would be a great pick for them.

[PurpleCity5]

Out of the first list, I would say Hargreaves would be our pick. Now on the topic of who would fall to us, Buckner, Jack, Bosa, Ramsey, and Tunsil, then I would say Bosa. I feel that Buckner will hit the top 5, same with Ramsey, along with Tunsil who will be picked 1st overall. You also have Cleveland picking a QB which would leave it at 4 teams passing on him. After that it's Jacksonville who I think would pick a guy in Myles Jack or Ronnie Stanley before Bosa. 

[Jacquouille]

20 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm going with shaq Lawson. It was between him and vh3 and I ultimately went with the more shallow position group. I figure we can absolutely find a starting cb in round 2 like wj3 or fuller which would likely be our goal. 

 

I doubt we see value at Lawson in the first but i personally think that he has low risk and the most potential and also is the prototype for a ravens OLB

I read PFF's scouting report on him yesterday, they were saying his first step is slow, which is something I know worries you. They also doubt his pass rushing skills, but I can't agree on that.

 

Watched the Joey Bosa Oregon 2014 game. I'm wondering why people say he won't fit at OLB, his main problem to me is he's slow off the snap and lacks explosiveness. With two or three steps to accelerate he would make a much better use of his terrific hands and could be unstoppable. Just my opinion though.

[GrimCoconut]

37 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I read PFF's scouting report on him yesterday, they were saying his first step is slow, which is something I know worries you. They also doubt his pass rushing skills, but I can't agree on that.

 

Watched the Joey Bosa Oregon 2014 game. I'm wondering why people say he won't fit at OLB, his main problem to me is he's slow off the snap and lacks explosiveness. With two or three steps to accelerate he would make a much better use of his terrific hands and could be unstoppable. Just my opinion though.

They're right--his [Lawson] first step is slow. I don't care if he runs a 4.1 40 yard dash but he is not fast off the ball. And having a few extra steps helps but you don't want your edge defender to be like that for this team since we often run a hybrid scheme that calls for our 3-4 OLBs to play 4-3 DE and vice versa. We often do this to disguise the formation. Furthermore, you don't want to rely on a guy to have to get a few steps to apply pressure. That just doesn't work very well in the NFL. 

Bosa isn't slow at all. He has plenty of explosion and he's plenty quick. 

Edited March 1, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[pep_meister]

To me personally i'd love to trade back a few spots and get shaq lawson or treadwell.

[gabefergy]

Lawson in this worst case scenario. He's a very good pass-rusher, stout run defender, and showed at the combine he has underrated athleticism as well. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

I read PFF's scouting report on him yesterday, they were saying his first step is slow, which is something I know worries you. They also doubt his pass rushing skills, but I can't agree on that.

 

Watched the Joey Bosa Oregon 2014 game. I'm wondering why people say he won't fit at OLB, his main problem to me is he's slow off the snap and lacks explosiveness. With two or three steps to accelerate he would make a much better use of his terrific hands and could be unstoppable. Just my opinion though.

I don't see a slow first step from lawson, it could be better but I wouldn't call it slow. Also his pass rushing is for real, he has solid hands, plays violent, and if he could slim down. A little he would be very quick and nimble.

 

He played as a massive man at Clemson and in the NFL he would likely look and play different

[rudywasoffsides]

VH3 no question. I think his combine performance shows he has a lot to offer and showcased that. I think he understandably got in his own head the back half of this year trying not to get injured and mess up his draft stock and made mistakes and played poorly because of it. After seeing what happened to Jaylon Smith, I don't blame him at all for this and think he is going to be the ball hawking corner we lacked last year. We take him and he gets no less than 4 picks this year for us and at least one pick 6. With that said, the players I want in order are Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa, VH3. Ramsey is out of this world talented

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm going with shaq Lawson. It was between him and vh3 and I ultimately went with the more shallow position group. I figure we can absolutely find a starting cb in round 2 like wj3 or fuller which would likely be our goal. 

 

I doubt we see value at Lawson in the first but i personally think that he has low risk and the most potential and also is the prototype for a ravens OLB

I'd go with Shaq Lawson as well. He can be a long term successor to Suggs.

[DomMcRaven]

Myles Jack is now who I'm choosing. 

[Boddiebroadus]

Going with jack. I'd only have tunsil over him. Well I'd say jack and Ramsey are neck and neck but I believe he'll be gone before we pick regardless. 

[L.A.Ravens]

HG3 would be perfect against quick slot wide outs his rookie year. 

[Davesta]

What's with this massive love for jack? He didn't do anything at the combine due to injury. Are you all just gauging on tape? 

[ALPHA]

6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

They're right--his [Lawson] first step is slow. I don't care if he runs a 4.1 40 yard dash but he is not fast off the ball. And having a few extra steps helps but you don't want your edge defender to be like that for this team since we often run a hybrid scheme that calls for our 3-4 OLBs to play 4-3 DE and vice versa. We often do this to disguise the formation. Furthermore, you don't want to rely on a guy to have to get a few steps to apply pressure. That just doesn't work very well in the NFL. 

Bosa isn't slow at all. He has plenty of explosion and he's plenty quick. 

He has a 1.64 split so I wouldn't say he has a slow get off, maybe just inconsistent or he has different responsibilities. His focus could have been on setting the edge and using that nasty spin move to rush.