[News] Late For Work 3/1: Ravens Narrowed List To Two Players For No. 6 Pick

[The Greek]

fo will gladly make osemele the top paid guard in the league. if he does resign i believe the 2 players on the list are buckner and hargreaves. if osemele leaves than its stanley and buckner imo

[757RavensFan]

2 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

Assuming the titans take Bosa,the browns take a QB and the chargers take Tunsil,we need to attempt to trade our first and third round pick to the cowboys for Ramsey.I had given up on the idea of him after we landed just out of the top 5,but after his combine performance yesterday,he's worth the 1 or 2 extra picks it would take to get him.There's no way he won't hit the ground running as a rookie and become a pro bowler.He's the second biggest sure thing in this draft.I'd even be ok with us having to go as high as our 1st,3rd and a future 5th if the cowboys really wanted to be stubborn about it.

I seriously don't see Bosa going 1st. If the Titans don't take Tunsil, they would be foolish to take any defender other than Ramsey. Ramsey is that good.

That being said, I see the Titans protecting their QB and drafting Tunsil.  And it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cleveland takes Ramsey. I can see the Browns throwing a wrench in everyone's system in the top 10.  

Edited March 1, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

1 hour ago, billiejean said:

I admittedly have know idea how to use the draft chart, but I was wondering hypothetically, what it would cost us to move from our spot in the second to lets say 25. I don't think this is a good or even a feasible move , but I just want to know how much we would have to give up.

 

The 25th pick is pittsburgh so I highly doubt any trading will be going on between our teams.To answer your question though,We'd need to trade our third and swap positions in the 4th round for that trade to even out on the trade chart.

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

 

The 25th pick is pittsburgh so I highly doubt any trading will be going on between our teams.To answer your question though,We'd need to trade our third and swap positions in the 4th round for that trade to even out on the trade chart.

The trade value chart is an OK barometer I guess, but its far from accurate. We've seen countless trades done that are way far away from what the draft trade value chart says the trade should be. 

[balfan23]

To me, a big question here will be - if we are wrong and these 2 players are not available at #6, do we attempt to trade back? If they do, then we'll know that the 2 players they were referring to were taken. If they pick, we won't know if we got one of the 2 or if they were taken and we opted to take the best of the rest. In any case, you can bet that they state publicly that they got one of the 2 players they wanted, because they're not going to want the player they select with the impression that they settled. 

Oh to be the fly on the wall

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

45 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

I seriously don't see Bosa going 1st. If the Titans don't take Tunsil, they would be foolish to take any defender other than Ramsey. Ramsey is that good.

That being said, I see the Titans protecting their QB and drafting Tunsil.  And it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cleveland takes Ramsey. I can see the Browns throwing a wrench in everyone's system in the top 10.  

 

There hasn't been a defensive back chosen number one overall in over 60 years.Ramsey is good,but he's not good enough to break that streak.The titans will chose either Tunsil or Bosa and the browns are getting rid of Manziel which means it's QB time in Cleveland.Plus,they'll more than likely be keeping their FS(can't remember his name) who is one of the top safeties in the league when healthy and they have Joe Haden and a CB they just spent a top ten first round pick on two years ago.Unless Cleveland sees something in Goff that makes them think he absolutely has no upside and is a bust,they really have no choice but to shoot for the moon and draft the best QB in the class hoping they'll find a gem.

Edited March 1, 2016 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

11 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The trade value chart is an OK barometer I guess, but its far from accurate. We've seen countless trades done that are way far away from what the draft trade value chart says the trade should be. 

 

I know what you mean.Supply of talent and the demand of a given pick could drive the price up on a pick,but it still gives fans a baseline to work with.

[balfan23]

I do find it interesting that they have this narrowed to 2, when a big question mark is still left out there - what is going to happen with KO. I wonder if their 2 player set up assumes that we're going to ultimately land KO and that Stanley is not one of the 2. 

[ALI624]

Just now, balfan23 said:

I do find it interesting that they have this narrowed to 2, when a big question mark is still left out there - what is going to happen with KO. I wonder if their 2 player set up assumes that we're going to ultimately land KO and that Stanley is not one of the 2. 

I think that is the feeling and like I said before I think it is VH3 and Bosa, one that in all likelihood will be there and the other probably won't, but if he is we take him which would disappoint me I really like VH3. 

[hen826957]

I wish the Ravens had the 3rd Pick so we guarantee we will get the pick we wanted but number 6 pick ain't that bad just a little risky of the teams ahead snap the player we wanted.

[jravens13]

  3 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

Assuming the titans take Bosa,the browns take a QB and the chargers take Tunsil,we need to attempt to trade our first and third round pick to the cowboys for Ramsey.I had given up on the idea of him after we landed just out of the top 5,but after his combine performance yesterday,he's worth the 1 or 2 extra picks it would take to get him.There's no way he won't hit the ground running as a rookie and become a pro bowler.He's the second biggest sure thing in this draft.I'd even be ok with us having to go as high as our 1st,3rd and a future 5th if the cowboys really wanted to be stubborn about it.

At last someone with an understanding of the trade value chart :D

I don't think Ozzie would give up his third round pick for Ramsey in such a situation - but at least it would be a fair trade offer - we should even get DAL's one current low-round pick (6th round) and we would still be generous :)

Ramsey is a project at corner, but has the athleticism to be good. However he is an impact player at Safety. His lateral movements and hips are not ideal for a shut down CB or a guy worth taking in the top 10. His straight line down hill speed is elite. I think he is a much better player playing safety, but he still never made that many plays. I just don't see him being any better than a guy like Antonio Cromartie, but with less ball skills at CB. At safety he can be a playmaker who flies to the ball. I just don't think a top safety is worth trading up for and taking No. 3 overall. I would much rather draft Karl Joseph in the 2nd Round.

[757RavensFan]

21 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

 

There hasn't been a defensive back chosen number one overall in over 60 years.Ramsey is good,but he's not good enough to break that streak.The titans will chose either Tunsil or Bosa and the browns are getting rid of Manziel which means it's QB time in Cleveland.Plus,they'll more than likely be keeping their FS(can't remember his name) who is one of the top safeties in the league when healthy and they have Joe Haden and a CB they just spent a top ten first round pick on two years ago.Unless Cleveland sees something in Goff that makes them think he absolutely has no upside and is a bust,they really have no choice but to shoot for the moon and draft the best QB in the class hoping they'll find a gem.

With Bosa's stock falling and Ramsey's sky-rocketing, you cannot overlook the fact that Ramsey could quite easily be the 1st defender chosen.  

That being said, I still think the Titans take Tunsil w/ their 1st selection.  However, if they did choose to go defense w/ their 1st pick, I honestly think they would pick Ramsey over Bosa.  

Edited March 1, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[bioLarzen]

  51 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

 

The 25th pick is pittsburgh so I highly doubt any trading will be going on between our teams.To answer your question though,We'd need to trade our third and swap positions in the 4th round for that trade to even out on the trade chart.

The trade value chart is an OK barometer I guess, but its far from accurate. We've seen countless trades done that are way far away from what the draft trade value chart says the trade should be. 

As far as I can say, most trades are more or less consistent with the trade chart. Of course there are lot of trades that are not - but "countless" is a bit of an overstatement IMHO.
I've found it to be a rather reliable base of trying to assess whether or not a trade makes any kind of sense.

[RavensBaltimore]

If KO wants to be paid more than any guard in the league, then he's already got what he asked for, or at least close to it. The Ravens reportedly offered him a contract that would make him the second highest player on the team, which obviously means he'd be making more than Yanda, who's the 3rd highest paid guard in the league.

[dirtybird66]

if RAMSEY'S not there then i would like to trade back alittle and get some good stock and go after JACKSON.

[The Greek]

  5 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

Assuming the titans take Bosa,the browns take a QB and the chargers take Tunsil,we need to attempt to trade our first and third round pick to the cowboys for Ramsey.I had given up on the idea of him after we landed just out of the top 5,but after his combine performance yesterday,he's worth the 1 or 2 extra picks it would take to get him.There's no way he won't hit the ground running as a rookie and become a pro bowler.He's the second biggest sure thing in this draft.I'd even be ok with us having to go as high as our 1st,3rd and a future 5th if the cowboys really wanted to be stubborn about it.

I seriously don't see Bosa going 1st. If the Titans don't take Tunsil, they would be foolish to take any defender other than Ramsey. Ramsey is that good.

That being said, I see the Titans protecting their QB and drafting Tunsil.  And it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cleveland takes Ramsey. I can see the Browns throwing a wrench in everyone's system in the top 10.  

i can see the browns trading for kaepernick, garappolo, foles or giving rg3 a shot which would allow them to go defense with the #2 pick

[The Greek]

no way does the fo trade up and give up picks with the holes we have

[purpledown]

The Ravens should get a good player with the pick, no matter who it is.

[steelcityraven]

Lets pick up Mario Williams... he is let go and should come here at the right price... He could make for nice depth in that DL rotation!

[ellicottraven]

The two players on Eric DeCosta's mind must be Ramsey and VH3. I truly believe that because they expect K.O to re-sign. If he doesn't it will be Ramsey, VH3, Tunsil/Stanley.
I believe they will get a good pass rushing talent in the later rounds.

[throwback2000]

The two players on Eric DeCosta's mind must be Ramsey and VH3. I truly believe that because they expect K.O to re-sign. If he doesn't it will be Ramsey, VH3, Tunsil/Stanley.
I believe they will get a good pass rushing talent in the later rounds.

GOOD LUCK!

[billiejean]

  5 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

  7 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

Assuming the titans take Bosa,the browns take a QB and the chargers take Tunsil,we need to attempt to trade our first and third round pick to the cowboys for Ramsey.I had given up on the idea of him after we landed just out of the top 5,but after his combine performance yesterday,he's worth the 1 or 2 extra picks it would take to get him.There's no way he won't hit the ground running as a rookie and become a pro bowler.He's the second biggest sure thing in this draft.I'd even be ok with us having to go as high as our 1st,3rd and a future 5th if the cowboys really wanted to be stubborn about it.

I seriously don't see Bosa going 1st. If the Titans don't take Tunsil, they would be foolish to take any defender other than Ramsey. Ramsey is that good.

That being said, I see the Titans protecting their QB and drafting Tunsil.  And it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cleveland takes Ramsey. I can see the Browns throwing a wrench in everyone's system in the top 10.  

i can see the browns trading for kaepernick, garappolo, foles or giving rg3 a shot which would allow them to go defense with the #2 pick

Is NE trying to unload grappolo? I don't think that would make much sense.

[billiejean]

31 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

Lets pick up Mario Williams... he is let go and should come here at the right price... He could make for nice depth in that DL rotation!

one of the big reasons Buffalo got rid of him is because he complained so much about playing in Rex's 3-4 Defense . Im not sure if it makes sense to force him into another similar defense.

Edited March 1, 2016 by billiejean

[PalmBayRaven]

I wish the Ravens had the 3rd Pick so we guarantee we will get the pick we wanted but number 6 pick ain't that bad just a little risky of the teams ahead snap the player we wanted.

It was the price we paid for beating the Steelers. Always good to beat the Steelers.

[Maryland]

Of that list posed by Zrebiec, only Bosa and VH3 really seem like good picks that I would agree with. Would much rather trade back, acquire someone's 2nd round pick, and see what falls if the rest of those guys are our only option. It's a shame Ramsey launched himself out of our reach (or that we won one too many games to get him <_< )

[law215]

Welcome to Baltimore Joey Bosa. I think Jags take Buckner since They drafted Fowler last year, Cowboys take a QB or Myles Jack, and Chargers grab Ramsey since Weddle is out. VH3 is #2 option at #6. I think Stanley, Spence, Lawson fall into trade back scenarios.

[Halshayeji]

15 hours ago, billiejean said:

I admittedly have know idea how to use the draft chart, but I was wondering hypothetically, what it would cost us to move from our spot in the second to lets say 25. I don't think this is a good or even a feasible move , but I just want to know how much we would have to give up.

It would take a 4th to move to like 27-29 from our 36th pick. I think it would be a fantastic move! 1- we move up a few spots to ensure getting a guy we like. 2- all first rounders have a 5th year team option that is so underrated in today's NFL. 

[Halshayeji]

12 hours ago, The Greek said:

i can see the browns trading for kaepernick, garappolo, foles or giving rg3 a shot which would allow them to go defense with the #2 pick

It would be hillarious if the Browns pull of a "brown" and pass up on the best quarterback in the draft when their biggest need has been QB for 10 years lol. Seriously, how long have they craved for a franchise QB? Now that you have a chance you go and pass it up for a bunch of 50/50 guys that may or may not work. I would die laughing if they trade for a QB and he busts then next year they pull off a manziel or a brady Quinn in the draft.

[Halshayeji]

8 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

It was the price we paid for beating the Steelers. Always good to beat the Steelers.

A price I would gladly pay every year!

damn squeezers with their stupid "no parking" colors that theyr so proud of

[usmccharles]

I see it going:  Tunsil, QB, Ramsey, Jack, HG3

Leaving us Bosa.  Hopefully im wrong about Dallas taking Jack and they go QB (I don't think they will though).  I feel like Jacksonville will take secondary defense for sure.  I don't think Dallas would go Bosa because of their pick last year of Gregory.