[News] Analysts Predict Joe Flacco Contract Outcome

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, 20306cab said:

Any article about Flacco is sure to get the excuse machine turned to full speed. Average Joe has been less than that the last three years, and if not for a major gift from KC two years ago, the Ravens would have missed the playoffs for three years in a row for the first time since 2000. Seems to me he got his ring and his $, and he's satisfied. There's been nothing but regression since '12.

You do realize 2014 was his best year of his career and lit it up in NE with 4 TDs, right?  Sadly he didn't have a defense that could stop a peewee football team.

[20306cab]

  2 hours ago, 20306cab said:

Any article about Flacco is sure to get the excuse machine turned to full speed. Average Joe has been less than that the last three years, and if not for a major gift from KC two years ago, the Ravens would have missed the playoffs for three years in a row for the first time since 2000. Seems to me he got his ring and his $, and he's satisfied. There's been nothing but regression since '12.

You do realize 2014 was his best year of his career and lit it up in NE with 4 TDs, right?  Sadly he didn't have a defense that could stop a peewee football team.

Unfortunately choked in that game and hasn't rebounded yet. If a 91 rating is your best year in an eight year career, and 84 is your career average, then average joe isn't even average. Let's face it, if it wasn't for a wing and a prayer heave three years ago in Denver, he might not even be here. The bottom line is, he's got as many rings in eight years as Dilfer had in 12 games. He ain't worth half of what he's making. How come everyone in the NFL understands that, except Ravens fans?

[robbie29]

I've never been a fan of QBs being given credit for wins. It seems like this is a fairly recent trend, and you rarely hear about QBs being credited with losses. Football games are won and lost by the team, not the QB. I think player wins and losses should be a MLB stat, not NFL. Just my two cents.

[harfordravenfan]

6 minutes ago, 20306cab said:

Unfortunately choked in that game and hasn't rebounded yet. If a 91 rating is your best year in an eight year career, and 84 is your career average, then average joe isn't even average. Let's face it, if it wasn't for a wing and a prayer heave three years ago in Denver, he might not even be here. The bottom line is, he's got as many rings in eight years as Dilfer had in 12 games. He ain't worth half of what he's making. How come everyone in the NFL understands that, except Ravens fans?

Seriously? I know haters are gonna hate but to say flacco ain't worth half or comparing him to Dilfer is IMO ridiculous

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, whobilly said:

Brady's wife makes 40 mill a year so he can take less(haha)

And even so... there's not a single person on this board who would voluntarily take significantly less money just so some fans can feel better.

Its always amusing to watch people who have absolutely no idea what its like to have that kind of money and can't even comprehend what its like to have that kind of money tells others what to do with it, especially when they are telling them to give some back solely so the fan can feel better about himself.

What a laughable notion.

[rmcjacket23]

13 minutes ago, 20306cab said:

Unfortunately choked in that game and hasn't rebounded yet. If a 91 rating is your best year in an eight year career, and 84 is your career average, then average joe isn't even average. Let's face it, if it wasn't for a wing and a prayer heave three years ago in Denver, he might not even be here. The bottom line is, he's got as many rings in eight years as Dilfer had in 12 games. He ain't worth half of what he's making. How come everyone in the NFL understands that, except Ravens fans?

Anytime somebody references QB rating and wins as relevant statistics for QBs, you can tell they have no idea what they're talking about.

If everybody in the NFL understood that he's only worth $10M a year, why are NFL teams paying QBs with lesser statistics and lesser W/L success significantly more money than that?

When you say NFL, you mean fans, not the actual NFL. The NFL is the one that tells you, unequivocally, what a player's value is. His value is whatever a team is willing to pay him. Just because some fanboy who sits in his lounger on Sunday, watching a game he doesn't understand while chasing his sorrows with a 12 pack because he dominated JV high school football 30 years ago doesn't make you knowledgeable whatsoever in what a players value is.

The NFL tells you precisely what a players value is. All you have to do is watch and listen. If you choose not to, nobody can help you. 

Education is a wonderful thing.

[757RavensFan]

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Anytime somebody references QB rating and wins as relevant statistics for QBs, you can tell they have no idea what they're talking about.

If everybody in the NFL understood that he's only worth $10M a year, why are NFL teams paying QBs with lesser statistics and lesser W/L success significantly more money than that?

When you say NFL, you mean fans, not the actual NFL. The NFL is the one that tells you, unequivocally, what a player's value is. His value is whatever a team is willing to pay him. Just because some fanboy who sits in his lounger on Sunday, watching a game he doesn't understand while chasing his sorrows with a 12 pack because he dominated JV high school football 30 years ago doesn't make you knowledgeable whatsoever in what a players value is.

The NFL tells you precisely what a players value is. All you have to do is watch and listen. If you choose not to, nobody can help you. 

Education is a wonderful thing.

Hey watch your tone.  By the way I played varsity football. I once had 4 tds in one game while playing for Polk High.  

[purpledown]

by no means a Tom Brady or a Patriots fan, but the reason the Pats keep winning is because of Bradys willingness to defer his money so the team can get and keep its young players. Wish our player would do the same.

[757RavensFan]

1 minute ago, purpledown said:

by no means a Tom Brady or a Patriots fan, but the reason the Pats keep winning is because of Bradys willingness to defer his money so the team can get and keep its young players. Wish our player would do the same.

I've said this before, when your wife is worth $350M you don't mind sacrificing a few million a year for the cause.  

[iluvpurple]

Just my opinion again, but I wish some fans would lay off Joe...... How many other QBs in the NFL would you be willing to trade Joe for? Not many, is there? To me it's like "the grass is always greener on the other side", Joe is an above average franchise QB, and 90% of the other teams out there would pay very well to have him. ?

[eek]

So where are the predictions? all i read is just a bunch of rambling from 3 terrible nfl journalist

[merryjman]

1 hour ago, purpledown said:

by no means a Tom Brady or a Patriots fan, but the reason the Pats keep winning is because of Bradys willingness to defer his money so the team can get and keep its young players. Wish our player would do the same.

Yes, but the whole point of the article is that Tom Brady is not getting paid less over that restructured time span, just extending the terms of the contract so that the cap hit is less.

[20306cab]

  2 hours ago, 20306cab said:

Unfortunately choked in that game and hasn't rebounded yet. If a 91 rating is your best year in an eight year career, and 84 is your career average, then average joe isn't even average. Let's face it, if it wasn't for a wing and a prayer heave three years ago in Denver, he might not even be here. The bottom line is, he's got as many rings in eight years as Dilfer had in 12 games. He ain't worth half of what he's making. How come everyone in the NFL understands that, except Ravens fans?

Anytime somebody references QB rating and wins as relevant statistics for QBs, you can tell they have no idea what they're talking about.

If everybody in the NFL understood that he's only worth $10M a year, why are NFL teams paying QBs with lesser statistics and lesser W/L success significantly more money than that?

When you say NFL, you mean fans, not the actual NFL. The NFL is the one that tells you, unequivocally, what a player's value is. His value is whatever a team is willing to pay him. Just because some fanboy who sits in his lounger on Sunday, watching a game he doesn't understand while chasing his sorrows with a 12 pack because he dominated JV high school football 30 years ago doesn't make you knowledgeable whatsoever in what a players value is.

The NFL tells you precisely what a players value is. All you have to do is watch and listen. If you choose not to, nobody can help you. 

Education is a wonderful thing.

Yes, education is a wonderful thing, so is common sense. So Wins and QB rating have NOTHING to do with how good a QB is? There is NO QB in the NFL with LESSER stats making more $ than Jump Ball Joe. However there are about 20 that have better making much less! By the way, YOU don't know ME. So don't assume to know ABOUT me.

[merryjman]

2 hours ago, 20306cab said:

Unfortunately choked in that game and hasn't rebounded yet. If a 91 rating is your best year in an eight year career, and 84 is your career average, then average joe isn't even average. Let's face it, if it wasn't for a wing and a prayer heave three years ago in Denver, he might not even be here. The bottom line is, he's got as many rings in eight years as Dilfer had in 12 games. He ain't worth half of what he's making. How come everyone in the NFL understands that, except Ravens fans?

If you're going to cite statistics, why are you leaving out that he tied Joe Montana's record playoff performance of 11 TDs and no interceptions? In fact, I'd rephrase your statement to "If 84 is your career average in a run-first offense whose star receiver is Torrey "go deep" Smith, then just imagine how Joe would do with 2 or 3 quality receivers and an offensive scheme to match." And I'm no Flacco fanboy, I just think he's better than most people give him credit for.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, 20306cab said:

Unfortunately choked in that game and hasn't rebounded yet. If a 91 rating is your best year in an eight year career, and 84 is your career average, then average joe isn't even average. Let's face it, if it wasn't for a wing and a prayer heave three years ago in Denver, he might not even be here. The bottom line is, he's got as many rings in eight years as Dilfer had in 12 games. He ain't worth half of what he's making. How come everyone in the NFL understands that, except Ravens fans?

dude, you are hilarious.  i feel like im talking to an 85 bears fan or soemthing. your right, that one heave is all it was, not like he went 11-0 TD/INT ratio, tied with Montana.  I bet he choked then too....

19 minutes ago, 20306cab said:

Yes, education is a wonderful thing, so is common sense. So Wins and QB rating have NOTHING to do with how good a QB is? There is NO QB in the NFL with LESSER stats making more $ than Jump Ball Joe. However there are about 20 that have better making much less! By the way, YOU don't know ME. So don't assume to know ABOUT me.

You also realize  Joe is one of the most winning QBs in NFL playoff history, but that doesnt help your argument so i highly doubt you know that.  And pretty sure he was referring to education about stats and the correlation to players winning, cost value, etc...which to be honest, your points arent backed up by facts. 

This is too comical.  I agree Joe needs to play better, but your assestment of him is just completely off.  How are you even a fan of this team?

[rmcjacket23]

42 minutes ago, 20306cab said:

Yes, education is a wonderful thing, so is common sense. So Wins and QB rating have NOTHING to do with how good a QB is? There is NO QB in the NFL with LESSER stats making more $ than Jump Ball Joe. However there are about 20 that have better making much less! By the way, YOU don't know ME. So don't assume to know ABOUT me.

1. QB rating has nothing to do with anything, because nobody even knows what QB rating is. Nobody knows how its calculated, what metric its supposed to show, or even what its usefulness is. People just use it as a lazy statistic because they aren't willing to spend their own time researching actual relevant statistics and they heard some guy on NFL Network use it and figured "hey, I'll use it too". 

2. Wins have SOMETHING to do with NFL QBs, just not EVERYTHING to do with NFL QBs. Again, that's a lazy approach. Its a stat people use when, again, they lack the education or the desire to do research on their own, or god forbid, actually watch football games. That'd be like me giving Peyton Manning credit for winning the SB, despite the fact that he was terrible in it. How do I know he was terrible in it? Because practically every statistical measure says he was, and because I actually watched the game. But hey, his TEAM won, so he must have been great right? Laughably lazy.

3. You won't find many making much less that aren't on rookie deals. In fact, you won't find many making much less period in the near future, because there just won't be that many making much less. There's already 18 QBs in this league making north of $15M a year, and you got another half dozen or more respectable starters on rookie deals. That' ain't "much less" by any possible standard.

4. I don't need to know anybody to know a lack of education when I see it, because you words are representation of said education. When a guy comes in and starts spewing off fallacies like "he's not worth half of what hes paid", without of course having any basis for that assessment whatsoever other than conjuring it out of thin air, there's no more information I need. "Knowing" somebody isn't a requirement.

[Virginia 55]

Flacco has been pretty average overall for his career. Don't listen to the supporters the proof is in his statistics. I really don't like him as our starter at his current cap number.

Everyone is scared to get on the QB carousel again though, I get that. But a slightly above average guy making top ten money will spell disaster for this team.

K.O is a better player than Flacco all day long. Please keep our best players!

[Swift 1]

16 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Flacco has been pretty average overall for his career. Don't listen to the supporters the proof is in his statistics. I really don't like him as our starter at his current cap number.

Everyone is scared to get on the QB carousel again though, I get that. But a slightly above average guy making top ten money will spell disaster for this team.

K.O is a better player than Flacco all day long. Please keep our best players!

Do you have any idea what the cap hit we would take if Joe was benched,traded or cut?