Post combine Mock

[Jacquouille]

So I know it's not really finished as of yet, but I've seen what I needed to see. And based on the players that rose up my "board" during the combine, I thought I'd do another Mock, cuz it's a fun.

BTW, when I do a mock, I'm not implying that it is the best case scenario, I'm just proposing other options that haven't been explored yet. Let's go:

 

1st Round: Trade back with Miami or TB after Bosa falls to us: Shaq Lawson

Credit to RaineV1 for the idea. Like some others on this forum, his outing in the Combine made me want to discover him in depth and I haven't been disappointed. He has a high motor, a great passion, is the best edge setter I've seen in this class, but also a great pass rusher. He's a fluid athlete with great power and can turn the corner (though that's not his forte if you ask me) and last but not least, his spin move is a thing of beauty, you have to see it, he abused Ronnie Stanley with it.

2nd Round (1): Will Fuller

Another player who opened my eyes at the Combine. So people will ask why I would take a burner when we have Perriman? Well, D-Jax and Maclin were fine together, so it can't hurt to have two playmakers. And Fuller is really an electric player, able to turn a slant into a 40 yard gain. He really reminds me of Jeremy Maclin, with a mix of short routes/ screen passes and some long go routes. Mac's hands were also questionned when he was coming out of college and now they're graded as the best in the NFL (per PFF).

2nd Round (2): William Jackson III

He is becoming redundant in my mocks. I love the guy, his agressiveness, his ball skills, his physical attributes. Will be a solid starter opposite Jimmy, which will make for a tremendous duo for years to come.

3rd Round: Chris Jones

Love it or hate it, I just think his ceiling is the highest in the draft and he can reach it with CB and Cullen. His quickness off the snap is uncanny, he just needs some coaching and a few years from now we will look at him as one of the best at his position, I am sure of that.

4th Round: Joe Schobert

How do you not love this guy? He's fast, agressive, high motored, very smart... He will be a fan favourite here and Dummervil will be the best teacher he can ask for. Him and Lawson will be very nice additions to our defense.

4th Round (2): Joe Dahl

He will give us some nice depth at either T or G, not much else I can say.

4th Round (3): Tyler Matakevich

Big fan here. I love guys like him that give so much passion to the game. He's got an insane and contagious agressivty, works and studies harder than everyone else, he's often compared to Chris Borland, guys with low measurables and athletic abilities but that are smart, instinctive and agressive. 

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd be doing backflips 

 

I love shaq Lawson and think he could be our answer. Big bully beast and a TRUE olb, he can do it all and has a great pass rushing skill set involving the best spin move since Dwight freeney, a bull rush on par with bosa, and a great sense of leverage and flexibility, along with solid footwork for a man of his size and great anticipation being able to sense when and where he needs to make what move. Perfect scenario for us. Although I don't like mocks with trades... 

 

I also love the rest of it. With our te corps and perriman I think fuller becomes very intriguing and wj3 is my 2nd corner in this class after vh3. Also schobert and Dahl are 2 of my top sleepers. 3rd round for me comes down to Denver Kirkland or schobert.

[RaineV1]

I would have wanted to grab Jason Spriggs with one of the 2nd round picks, but I certainly wouldn't complain about getting Fuller and Jackson III. Really solid draft. Lawson, Schobert, and ZDS would give us a pretty good set of OLBs moving forward after Suggs and Dooms.

[Jacquouille]

5 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I would have wanted to grab Jason Spriggs with one of the 2nd round picks, but I certainly wouldn't complain about getting Fuller and Jackson III. Really solid draft. Lawson, Schobert, and ZDS would give us a pretty good set of OLBs moving forward after Suggs and Dooms.

Spriggs has also been stuck for my 2nd for a long time. I just saw Thompson disappointed with his 40, maybe we could get him in the 3rd and replace WJ3 with Spriggs? That's another possibility.

[RaineV1]

8 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Spriggs has also been stuck for my 2nd for a long time. I just saw Thompson disappointed with his 40, maybe we could get him in the 3rd and replace WJ3 with Spriggs? That's another possibility.

For a dream scenario it'd go Spriggs and WJ3 in the 2nd and Rashard Higgins or Sterling Shepard in the 3rd. Though Spriggs and Fuller in 2nd and the top ranked DB left on the board in the 3rd would be pretty good too.

[polynesian15]

12 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Spriggs has also been stuck for my 2nd for a long time. I just saw Thompson disappointed with his 40, maybe we could get him in the 3rd and replace WJ3 with Spriggs? That's another possibility.

I'm more with Raine. I would go OL instead of the Fuller pick, keep CB for the second rounder and then WR in the third round.
Lots of value in your mock though! Can't wait for the draft......

[usmccharles]

I think fuller offers what we have in BP, a deep threat, im not sure how he would do in the slot.  The Lawson pick I like, overall id be happy. 

[PurpleNight12]

Before the combine I did not believe Lawson could actually stand up and rush but I believe in it now. But the unfortunate thing I see is that I think after the combine Jackson may have snuck into first round.  Even though I would be ecstatic to have Jackson. 

[Somerset Ravens]

That would be a sensational draft for the Ravens.  I really like Fuller adding more speed to our offense. Schobert would be great value in the fourth.

[terps85]

Give me Boyd over Fuller and I personally don't think Jackson lasts until the first 2nd round pick, let alone the Dolphins/Bucs pick.   He could very well be the 2nd CB off the board.

[sflegend89]

Hey it's your mock draft so you can speculate as you wish but I would have these notes on this scenario

1. Shaq Lawson isn't even considered a top 15 pick by many even post combine

2. All indications from Ozzie/Eric is that we will pick at #6, if a team offers a bonanza for it we'll be game but we aren't going to actively attempt to trade out

3. Eric stated they feel like they know who the top 5 picks will be and they feel confident 1 out of their 2 players will be there at #6

4. We RARELY get a chance to pick this high and get our hands on a blue chip type of prospect, this scenario is essentially opting for quantity over quality. It's been well known that we're looking for a playmaker, instant coffee as Eric put it, in this scenario we may get our hands on some good prospects but none of them are considered instant impact players like Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner, Jack, VH3.

5. From all the evidence we've received thus far from Ozzie/Eric this is against their M.O. of what they're looking to do in the draft this year which is first and foremost to add an elite talent, the vast vast majority don't consider Lawson an elite talent.

Edited March 2, 2016 by sflegend89

[Davesta]

I just don't think I would want 2 WRs who only do 9 routes (for the most part). Need a move the chain type of WR to go with BP. Either Boyd or someone like Shepard.

[CalvinSmoke]

5 minutes ago, Davesta said:

I just don't think I would want 2 WRs who only do 9 routes (for the most part). Need a move the chain type of WR to go with BP. Either Boyd or someone like Shepard.

To his defense we have tight ends for days. (this is a tight end based offense) we still have SSR, Aiken, and Campanero. We are all chain movers, Fuller would be a welcomed addition. 

[usmccharles]

38 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

To his defense we have tight ends for days. (this is a tight end based offense) we still have SSR, Aiken, and Campanero. We are all chain movers, Fuller would be a welcomed addition. 

But looking to after next year when SSr is gone, we need a replacement for him.  I wish it was Camp but I just don't think he will ever stay healthy to be relied upon by us.  Unless we put one of the TEs in the slot, that could be interesting. 

[RaineV1]

2 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Hey it's your mock draft so you can speculate as you wish but I would have these notes on this scenario

1. Shaq Lawson isn't even considered a top 15 pick by many even post combine

2. All indications from Ozzie/Eric is that we will pick at #6, if a team offers a bonanza for it we'll be game but we aren't going to actively attempt to trade out

3. Eric stated they feel like they know who the top 5 picks will be and they feel confident 1 out of their 2 players will be there at #6

4. We RARELY get a chance to pick this high and get our hands on a blue chip type of prospect, this scenario is essentially opting for quantity over quality. It's been well known that we're looking for a playmaker, instant coffee as Eric put it, in this scenario we may get our hands on some good prospects but none of them are considered instant impact players like Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner, Jack, VH3.

5. From all the evidence we've received thus far from Ozzie/Eric this is against their M.O. of what they're looking to do in the draft this year which is first and foremost to add an elite talent, the vast vast majority don't consider Lawson an elite talent.

The CBS board has Lawson ranked 13th overall and Mayock has him as the third best edge rusher (second being Spence who seems to have turned off many teams). He's fully capable of being an impact guy, and likely will be.

Edited March 2, 2016 by RaineV1

[PurpleCity5]

I like Lawson, but it would take me a future first round pick to give up Bosa honestly, I like Lawson honestly, I mentioned him as an option way back but I really would prefer someone like Hargreaves, Jack or even Stanley(depends on K.O) before taking Lawson in a trade back. 

Edited March 2, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Drew P]

Scratch Fuller. He has hands of stone. He is Torrey 2.0. Just not a natural pass catcher.

[ALPHA]

41 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Scratch Fuller. He has hands of stone. He is Torrey 2.0. Just not a natural pass catcher.

He's worse than Torrey in almost every facet, purely a track guy.

[Drew P]

1 minute ago, ALPHA said:

He's worse than Torrey in almost every facet, purely a track guy.

No doubt. He practically catches the ball with his face or chest.

[Jacquouille]

Have you seen his combine? 

[terps85]

14 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Have you seen his combine? 

Obviously great in the 40, had a good broad jump.  But other than that, he didn't do that well.  Nothing more than a fast guy who catches everything with his chest.

[ALPHA]

Yeah he had a great combine.

[Jacquouille]

35 minutes ago, terps85 said:

Obviously great in the 40, had a good broad jump.  But other than that, he didn't do that well.  Nothing more than a fast guy who catches everything with his chest.

Is that really what you have seen or has Jacoby Jones altered your judgement on deep threats?

Edited March 2, 2016 by Jacquouille

[terps85]

8 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Is that really what you have seen or has Jacoby Jones altered your judgement on deep threats?

That's what I've seen. Ive watched a couple of his games recently... Can't remember one catch that he didn't secure with his body (even screens) and, probably because of the body catching, does not high point the ball well. I just think he would be such a waste in the 2nd with the other options that would be available. I'm curious though, what about his game do you like? Or is just purely his speed?

 

Also, what do you think of Germain Ifedi from A&M? He had great measurables at the combine and looked really good against Bama (according to my novice scouting lol). Best case imo move him to LG and resign Osemele. 

 

Lastly, I would be thrills if Jones were a Raven. Already a beast against the run and definitely has the potential to be a pass rusher on the inside. 

[Jacquouille]

8 hours ago, terps85 said:

That's what I've seen. Ive watched a couple of his games recently... Can't remember one catch that he didn't secure with his body (even screens) and, probably because of the body catching, does not high point the ball well. I just think he would be such a waste in the 2nd with the other options that would be available. I'm curious though, what about his game do you like? Or is just purely his speed?

 

Also, what do you think of Germain Ifedi from A&M? He had great measurables at the combine and looked really good against Bama (according to my novice scouting lol). Best case imo move him to LG and resign Osemele. 

 

Lastly, I would be thrills if Jones were a Raven. Already a beast against the run and definitely has the potential to be a pass rusher on the inside. 

I wouldn't trust him on contested catches, that's for sure, but I think his hands aren't horrible. I like the way he uses his speed, the way he locates the Ball and adjusts to it, his quick twitch that alows him to do some damages on short passes.

Also I believe Doctson will be long gone at this point.  

About Ifedi, well I don't  watch the OL, I'm unable to judge, I'll let other decide. 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Lawson looks like a really good prospect... but that's it a really good prospect. We have a chance to take a blue chip talent, so I'm not trading back unless I know im still getting one.

If Bosa, Jack, Buckner or Ramsey is on the board... you take him. As someone else mentioned, we have 2 guys circled and they expect one to be there. To me that shows a potential willingness to even trade up if 1 is gone and the 2nd could possibly be picked. We have a lot of draft capital, and i think the point this year is  to get a cant-miss, franchise corner-stone... not a guy who will become a solid starter, maybe a pro bowler in a couple years.

Lawson may be rated 13th on some big boards... but there's likely going to be someone ranked in the top 3-5 there for our pick. And the drop off from the top 5 to 10 is pretty large, let alone 11-15.

This is a chance we get once a decade... i dont think its time to overthink or get cute with it. Especially in this instance where i believe he's pointing out that Bosa is one the board but we trade back. 

I dont even know if when all is said and done that Lawson is the best DE from Clemson in this draft. Dodd really came on when it mattered and imo has the higher upside of the two.

Edited March 3, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK