[News] Late For Work 2/29: Ravens And Joe Flacco 'Close' To New Deal

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[PalmBayRaven]

I don't know what Jeff Zrebiec was watching as far as WR's go but they were the slowest group in over 11 years! Can you really justify a #6 pick on that slow of WR? I think not.

[ALI624]

2 minutes ago, PalmBayRaven said:

I don't know what Jeff Zrebiec was watching as far as WR's go but they were the slowest group in over 11 years! Can you really justify a #6 pick on that slow of WR? I think not.

I think there is no chance we take a WR at 6. Second or third round only. Hopefully Fuller, Boyd or Shepard.

[sticks999]

I knew Shaq Lawson would post a good 40 time. With Bosa's slow time, Lawson may move up the board. As far as WR speed, yep not many posted great speed. But remember, there are other ways to get open and our fast guys in the past have not been great at it.

[bioLarzen]

I knew Shaq Lawson would post a good 40 time. With Bosa's slow time, Lawson may move up the board. As far as WR speed, yep not many posted great speed. But remember, there are other ways to get open and our fast guys in the past have not been great at it.

I somehow don't believe a "slow" 40-yard time in itself will make Bosa plummet... I've got the feeling the interviews are much more important than the drill results...

[budman]

Does anybody really take anything that Peter King says for anything other than hot air? Do they think he actually knows anything about talent? the answer is no. All he does is circumvent what has already been said by others. smh.

Hey mcjacket--How do teams carry over all that cap money? I thought that they must spend close to all of it each year (a big % of it anyway)/

[jravens13]

So he wlll be making more than Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson. Makes sense. I will never get over the decision to backload the contract only to go 8-8, 10-6, and 5-11 with 1 playoff win in 3 years. TERRIBLE!

[WNC-Raven]

Seeing all that dead money if Flacco gets hurt again is terrifying.

[jravens13]

I knew Shaq Lawson would post a good 40 time. With Bosa's slow time, Lawson may move up the board. As far as WR speed, yep not many posted great speed. But remember, there are other ways to get open and our fast guys in the past have not been great at it.

Bosa didn't run slow for a guy his size. His 10yd Split was better than expected. Everyone was questioning his 1st Step but he ran faster than a big group of talented guys. The total package of Bosa keeps him at the top of the draft.

[WNC-Raven]

Of course KO will test the market before making a decision and of course Monroe knows his performance over the past 2 years has been awful.
Smart move to tag Tucker. He seems more cocky than confident and when those type of players have their ego's dented it is sometimes hard to shake. Lets see if he bounces back this year before paying him top $$.

[b93333]

If KO wants to squeeze the last dollar out of this contract then he's as good as gone. No point wrecking the team for one player. Ozzie has other options... the draft for one. Even Monroe if necessary.

[jravens13]

Watch the Trent Richardson video. We might have found an incredibly hungry RB who wants to prove everyone wrong and make it.

[iluvpurple]

Just a few things I am thinking of after reading this article...... One, I am really glad Joe is willing to re-structure his contract...... Two, loved the twitter pic from Jason Brooks visiting his dad Coach Brooks, a very happy pic....... And three, maybe it's just me, but if a player is offered a very generous contract to stay by the team that drafted him, and won a SuperBowl with, and has said many times how much he enjoys being a Raven, why test the open market? In a game where players make millions of dollars, or surely much more money than most of us would see in a lifetime, why go to a possibly crappy team for more money? I have watched so many players go for big money, just to end up not so successful, sorry, I just don't get it. To me, it's like biting the hand that has fed you well....... As always, just my opinion......

[iluvpurple]

Oh and one more thing, congrats to big man Brandon Williams ranked thee BEST nose tackle in the NFL ???

[fusuymada]

I can see KO testing the market just to see. I doubt anyone will give him full left tackle money after only a couple games, but they will pay him top guard money where he has proven he is a pro bowl player. But, as is said over and over, it only takes one team with a great need and a lot of cap space to throw the moon at KO and he would be silly to turn it down. Yes, he was drafted here, won a super bowl here, loves being here, and may think the money is fair here, but a competitive team might offer him some good money. But, in my eyes, it would depend where the money was coming from. If the Browns or Jags offered me anything I would take the Ravens offer no matter.

[rmcjacket23]

19 minutes ago, budman said:

Does anybody really take anything that Peter King says for anything other than hot air? Do they think he actually knows anything about talent? the answer is no. All he does is circumvent what has already been said by others. smh.

Hey mcjacket--How do teams carry over all that cap money? I thought that they must spend close to all of it each year (a big % of it anyway)/

According to what I read, the "salary cap floor" is largely an irrelevant number. 

1. It looks like there's an 89% salary cap "floor", but that floor only pertains to a four year window from 2013-2016 IN TOTALITY, meaning an individual team doesn't have to spend 89% in any given year.

2. If they didn't spend the 89% floor, they'd just have to pay the difference between the 89% and what they did spend to the NFL, so its not like there's a major penalty or anything for failing to do so.

3. Even at an 89% floor for $155M, that would mean you'd have to spend $137M, so you can still roll over almost $20M in cap space in any given year.

[rmcjacket23]

54 minutes ago, jravens13 said:

So he wlll be making more than Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson. Makes sense. I will never get over the decision to backload the contract only to go 8-8, 10-6, and 5-11 with 1 playoff win in 3 years. TERRIBLE!

Well, you don't get to decide whether to backload the contract (from a cap perspective) after you see what the future holds.

If we had won a SB in the last three years, nobody would be complaining about the backloaded contract. Its only after hindsight analysis to fans complain, which doesn't really accomplish anything.

[cobrajet]

I never thought that Bosa would be available at #6 but a sub-par Combine changes mind some.

[budman]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

According to what I read, the "salary cap floor" is largely an irrelevant number.

1. It looks like there's an 89% salary cap "floor", but that floor only pertains to a four year window from 2013-2016 IN TOTALITY, meaning an individual team doesn't have to spend 89% in any given year.

2. If they didn't spend the 89% floor, they'd just have to pay the difference between the 89% and what they did spend to the NFL, so its not like there's a major penalty or anything for failing to do so.

3. Even at an 89% floor for $155M, that would mean you'd have to spend $137M, so you can still roll over almost $20M in cap space in any given year.

That's interesting. Thanks.

[Matty G]

So he wlll be making more than Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson. Makes sense. I will never get over the decision to backload the contract only to go 8-8, 10-6, and 5-11 with 1 playoff win in 3 years. TERRIBLE!

Yea, I think the Ravens have learned from these contracts. I noticed Yandas nor Jimmy Smiths were back loaded and I don't think Joe's new contact will be back loaded either. The Ravens and all teams need that flexibility towards the end to decide if the player is even worth the money anymore, but with the back loaded contracts, the teams are kinda stuck with what they have, with very little room room for bargaining.

[ellicottraven]

What ever it is the Ravens decide to pay Joe Flacco this time around, they’ll have to live with. They shouldn’t expect another restructure till this extension ends. And we the fans shouldn’t complain ifhe gets more money than we may believe he deserves. The Ravens will reap what they sow and I’m fine with it as long as they are. That argument of Flacco being overpaid is getting really old and stale. So what if he is? He offers us stability at the position and at a decent enough level.

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, iluvpurple said:

Just a few things I am thinking of after reading this article...... One, I am really glad Joe is willing to re-structure his contract...... Two, loved the twitter pic from Jason Brooks visiting his dad Coach Brooks, a very happy pic....... And three, maybe it's just me, but if a player is offered a very generous contract to stay by the team that drafted him, and won a SuperBowl with, and has said many times how much he enjoys being a Raven, why test the open market? In a game where players make millions of dollars, or surely much more money than most of us would see in a lifetime, why go to a possibly crappy team for more money? I have watched so many players go for big money, just to end up not so successful, sorry, I just don't get it. To me, it's like biting the hand that has fed you well....... As always, just my opinion......

Who's to say that if he stays here that the Ravens won't be a crappy team for the next 3 years.  Honestly, I would be surprised and excited if he signed before free agency, but I'm not knocking him for exploring his options.   

[jravens13]

What if we took ball hawking Vernon Hargreaves Round 1, and ball so hard Carl Joseph Round 2. We could add two aggressive and confident playmakers that want to be great. They would bring the intimidation factor back to our secondary that Reed and Chris McAlister brought in their prime. We already have Jimmy Smith to hold down the Big WR's.

[RavensDieHard21]

You swapped the 40 times of Bosa and Spence....

[jravens13]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, you don't get to decide whether to backload the contract (from a cap perspective) after you see what the future holds.

If we had won a SB in the last three years, nobody would be complaining about the backloaded contract. Its only after hindsight analysis to fans complain, which doesn't really accomplish anything.

It is called gambling on the present and sacrificing the future. We could have paid Flacco more upfront and let other guys walk. We chose to keep a team together that wasn't good enough to get it done. Flacco is now going to be overpaid for the next 6 years because of this mistake. 

[The Greek]

i personally believe osemele will sign with us. would like to see us draft a LT at some point in the mid rounds or sign a veteran LT as insurance. hurst will be better suited at guard and maybe RT behind wagner. if there is a physical wr (anquan boldin type) in the 3rd or 4th than grab him. as far as these so called slow wr times. boldin ran a 4.71 so i guess he is a turtle. a lot of these guys are going to rerun the 40 at their schools pro day and the results will be improved. 4.5, 4.6, 4.7 is not slow especially if you have a physical style build.

Edited February 29, 2016 by The Greek

[RavensDieHard21]

I never thought that Bosa would be available at #6 but a sub-par Combine changes mind some.

I think his chances of sliding have potentially increased. Probably going from a 15% chance to maybe a 30% chance lol, Some analysts have said he is near the back end of the top 10 now, but it will be hard for the Chargers to pass on him or even the Cowboys as they are moving on from Hardy.

[RavensDieHard21]

I can see KO testing the market just to see. I doubt anyone will give him full left tackle money after only a couple games, but they will pay him top guard money where he has proven he is a pro bowl player. But, as is said over and over, it only takes one team with a great need and a lot of cap space to throw the moon at KO and he would be silly to turn it down. Yes, he was drafted here, won a super bowl here, loves being here, and may think the money is fair here, but a competitive team might offer him some good money. But, in my eyes, it would depend where the money was coming from. If the Browns or Jags offered me anything I would take the Ravens offer no matter.

That is the thing, barely any competitive teams have the ample cap space to pay a guard north of $10 million a year, unless they're sold that he will be a LT, but that is still mercy. I think that the 49ers, Jags, Eagles and Titans have some of the most space so they might just throw a boatload at him. I pray he stays here, but I see a sneaky 49ers or Eagles team throwing a big number at him.

[RavensDieHard21]

Watch the Trent Richardson video. We might have found an incredibly hungry RB who wants to prove everyone wrong and make it.

You know what, I am convinced that this is a tiny investment that could prove to pay huge dividends. Time will tell, but I hope he makes it and we have him Forsett and Allen back there to ware down defenses.

[rmcjacket23]

19 minutes ago, jravens13 said:

It is called gambling on the present and sacrificing the future. We could have paid Flacco more upfront and let other guys walk. We chose to keep a team together that wasn't good enough to get it done. Flacco is now going to be overpaid for the next 6 years because of this mistake. 

Well, in reality, it has nothing to do with how much Joe got paid, because Joe got paid very handsomely in the last three years ($62M of $120.6M in the last three years). Joe himself made $30M in year 1 (2013) of his deal and another $21M in year 2 (2014), so from an actual cash received standpoint, that deal is more front loaded than back loaded from Joe's perspective.

It is from a salary cap perspective only that the deal was backloaded, which I agree was a mistake, but not for the reason you think it was.

As it were, I definitely don't buy this notion of "pay him more and let other guys walk", because I really can't think of any player we kept and should have let walk because of Joe's deal. You do realize that the biggest knock on the FO has been letting TOO MANY players walk in the last three years as opposed to trying to keep the band together right?

How quick you are to forget the "purge" of 2013, that started practically days after our SB victory. We pretty much took the entire defense from our SB run and took a butchers knife to it in a single offseason, and that was with Joe only carrying a roughly $7M cap number that season.

Please provide me a list of the players that we kept that you think we should have cut by increasing Joe's cap number in the last three years. Not saying there aren't any, but I can't think of any significant one's off the top of my head.

Flacco won't be overpaid for the next six years... his cap number and the amount he will get is going to be an accurate reflection of what is NOW the market value for said QBs.

 

Edited February 29, 2016 by rmcjacket23