[News] Eisenberg: Breshad Perriman Labels Have Been Unfair

[dirtybird66]

we shall see,funny coach harb's seem to be pretty frustrated and dumb-founded he wasn't out there as well.

[FloridaRaven]

A couple good games and all will be forgotten. Fans are brutal.

[smolina2o1]

If it took that much time to recover from a PCL tear I would hate to see the recovery time on a full ACL tear...or a twisted ankle for that matter lol

[Rave-O]

This article is a little bit premature lets wait to he gets on the field before we say he is ready to go and not a wasted pick.

[PalmBayRaven]

  9 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

FO can take part of the blame on this one. It went from out a couple weeks, to a couple months until Thanksgiving IR and out the rest of the season. We needed him because we had to no speed threat on the outside. Whiffing on draft choices the last few years - Matt Elam especially didn't help matters. People tend to think your #1 pick is ready to play and contribute right away. Maybe for other teams but certainly not the Ravens other than CJ Mosley in recent years.
Just saying......

when you're picking in the back of the 1st round all the time. your picks tend to be 50/50.. On your case about Matt Elam, the whole 2013 draft class was pretty bad and we took him with the 32nd pick, not the 6th or 18th. the only people we missed in that class was Darius Slay or Le'Von bell.. but at that point in time. we had emerging Jimmy Smith with a healthy Webb and had Ray Rice carrying the rock. no one can predict future. but your post tends to lead that way. Since Harbaugh and Oz has been paired our 1st round picks have been 08 Flacco, 09 Oher, 11 jimmy smith, 13 Elam, 14 Mosley, 15 Perriman. Let see 4 of those guys are starting (1 for another team). One missed his rookie year and one didn't do a good job. But yeah we have been missing a lot in the first round according to you.

Take a look at the 2012 Draft which we traded out of the 1st round. We picked Sergio Kindle, Terrence Cody, David Reed, Jah Reid, Tandon Doss,Chykie Brown,Anthony Allen. How many of those are on the team? 2013 Draft- Matt Elam, Arthur Brown, Gino Gradkowsk, Christian Thompson, Asa Jackson,Tommy Streeter, John Simon, Aaron Malette, Marc Anthony where are they now? The best player from the 2013 Draft has been Brandon Williams our 3rd round pick.
My point was we can't keeping whiffing on our picks. Period. 2015 Draft was pretty good except for Perriman which remains to be seen. I thought we built our team from the draft? Could be wrong?

[PalmBayRaven]

  8 hours ago, eek said:

  9 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

FO can take part of the blame on this one. It went from out a couple weeks, to a couple months until Thanksgiving IR and out the rest of the season. We needed him because we had to no speed threat on the outside. Whiffing on draft choices the last few years - Matt Elam especially didn't help matters. People tend to think your #1 pick is ready to play and contribute right away. Maybe for other teams but certainly not the Ravens other than CJ Mosley in recent years.
Just saying......

when you're picking in the back of the 1st round all the time. your picks tend to be 50/50.. On your case about Matt Elam, the whole 2013 draft class was pretty bad and we took him with the 32nd pick, not the 6th or 18th. the only people we missed in that class was Darius Slay or Le'Von bell.. but at that point in time. we had emerging Jimmy Smith with a healthy Webb and had Ray Rice carrying the rock. no one can predict future. but your post tends to lead that way. Since Harbaugh and Oz has been paired our 1st round picks have been 08 Flacco, 09 Oher, 11 jimmy smith, 13 Elam, 14 Mosley, 15 Perriman. Let see 4 of those guys are starting (1 for another team). One missed his rookie year and one didn't do a good job. But yeah we have been missing a lot in the first round according to you.

Take a look at the 2012 Draft which we traded out of the 1st round. We picked Sergio Kindle, Terrence Cody, David Reed, Jah Reid, Tandon Doss,Chykie Brown,Anthony Allen. How many of those are on the team? 2013 Draft- Matt Elam, Arthur Brown, Gino Gradkowsk, Christian Thompson, Asa Jackson,Tommy Streeter, John Simon, Aaron Malette, Marc Anthony where are they now? The best player from the 2013 Draft has been Brandon Williams our 3rd round pick.
My point was we can't keeping whiffing on our picks. Period. 2015 Draft was pretty good except for Perriman which remains to be seen. I thought we built our team from the draft? Could be wrong?

PS- If we are not building from the Draft and we sure as hell don't have money to go shopping during Free Agency what do you suggest? We build from Draft it's the only way to get good players cheap. How do the Steelers constantly draft good WR and we can't even draft 1? Maybe Perriman is that guy? I sure as hell hope so and I know it is something I would love to see him do against the Steelers!

[Saxxin]

Perriman isn't a bust because he sat out his rookie year. This kid has skills and is fast. A big target too. Perriman and Waller may be the best WR draft in ravens history. I think both of these guys will be impact players.

[Halshayeji]

Perriman won't surprise anyone next season. He's just gonna remind everyone that we stole him in the end of the first round. One may argue he might have been the first drafted WR in this year's class.

FO may have handled the situation a lot better but at least they played it safe and eventually shut him down for the year. Now I assure you that knees are stronger than they were a year ago because he's just been rehabbing like a horse all year long. I also assure you his knees are being monitored by doctors that specialize in these cases and that's all I can ask for.

Go out there and prove all your doubters wrong. I promise you we'll be hearing stories about how good this guy looks in camp!

[ravenwildman]

I think what made fans anxious about him was the "any day he will play" thing all year long holding down a roster spot and then not playing. There was a lot of head scratching going on, but this year hopefully nothing should be in his way. GO RAVENS!

[billiejean]

  18 hours ago, eek said:

  19 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

FO can take part of the blame on this one. It went from out a couple weeks, to a couple months until Thanksgiving IR and out the rest of the season. We needed him because we had to no speed threat on the outside. Whiffing on draft choices the last few years - Matt Elam especially didn't help matters. People tend to think your #1 pick is ready to play and contribute right away. Maybe for other teams but certainly not the Ravens other than CJ Mosley in recent years.
Just saying......

when you're picking in the back of the 1st round all the time. your picks tend to be 50/50.. On your case about Matt Elam, the whole 2013 draft class was pretty bad and we took him with the 32nd pick, not the 6th or 18th. the only people we missed in that class was Darius Slay or Le'Von bell.. but at that point in time. we had emerging Jimmy Smith with a healthy Webb and had Ray Rice carrying the rock. no one can predict future. but your post tends to lead that way. Since Harbaugh and Oz has been paired our 1st round picks have been 08 Flacco, 09 Oher, 11 jimmy smith, 13 Elam, 14 Mosley, 15 Perriman. Let see 4 of those guys are starting (1 for another team). One missed his rookie year and one didn't do a good job. But yeah we have been missing a lot in the first round according to you.

Take a look at the 2012 Draft which we traded out of the 1st round. We picked Sergio Kindle, Terrence Cody, David Reed, Jah Reid, Tandon Doss,Chykie Brown,Anthony Allen. How many of those are on the team? 2013 Draft- Matt Elam, Arthur Brown, Gino Gradkowsk, Christian Thompson, Asa Jackson,Tommy Streeter, John Simon, Aaron Malette, Marc Anthony where are they now? The best player from the 2013 Draft has been Brandon Williams our 3rd round pick.
My point was we can't keeping whiffing on our picks. Period. 2015 Draft was pretty good except for Perriman which remains to be seen. I thought we built our team from the draft? Could be wrong?

2010 nfl draft was when we drafted kindle, cody etc.
You totally ignored the 2011 and 2012 draft classes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Ravens_draft_history

[barneslc@sbcglobal.net]

Sorry John! I don't like or agree with the "spin" you are putting on this one. In my opinion, the inability to recover from the partial tear in a timely manner was never clearly explained. With that type of injury, it would have been realistic to be on the field later in the season just to get the experience and see what he was capable of. The ravens certainly needed him with all of the other injuries.

Also, the fact that he never set foot on the field still falls into the category of "not performing to expectations" as you mentioned. So that would still make the label "bust" accurate. I hope he proves all of us doubters wrong with a monster comeback. But it's like you wrote, "If he makes it onto the field in 2016!" We'll see!

[NCMan]

  11 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

  20 hours ago, eek said:

  21 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

FO can take part of the blame on this one. It went from out a couple weeks, to a couple months until Thanksgiving IR and out the rest of the season. We needed him because we had to no speed threat on the outside. Whiffing on draft choices the last few years - Matt Elam especially didn't help matters. People tend to think your #1 pick is ready to play and contribute right away. Maybe for other teams but certainly not the Ravens other than CJ Mosley in recent years.
Just saying......

when you're picking in the back of the 1st round all the time. your picks tend to be 50/50.. On your case about Matt Elam, the whole 2013 draft class was pretty bad and we took him with the 32nd pick, not the 6th or 18th. the only people we missed in that class was Darius Slay or Le'Von bell.. but at that point in time. we had emerging Jimmy Smith with a healthy Webb and had Ray Rice carrying the rock. no one can predict future. but your post tends to lead that way. Since Harbaugh and Oz has been paired our 1st round picks have been 08 Flacco, 09 Oher, 11 jimmy smith, 13 Elam, 14 Mosley, 15 Perriman. Let see 4 of those guys are starting (1 for another team). One missed his rookie year and one didn't do a good job. But yeah we have been missing a lot in the first round according to you.

Take a look at the 2012 Draft which we traded out of the 1st round. We picked Sergio Kindle, Terrence Cody, David Reed, Jah Reid, Tandon Doss,Chykie Brown,Anthony Allen. How many of those are on the team? 2013 Draft- Matt Elam, Arthur Brown, Gino Gradkowsk, Christian Thompson, Asa Jackson,Tommy Streeter, John Simon, Aaron Malette, Marc Anthony where are they now? The best player from the 2013 Draft has been Brandon Williams our 3rd round pick.
My point was we can't keeping whiffing on our picks. Period. 2015 Draft was pretty good except for Perriman which remains to be seen. I thought we built our team from the draft? Could be wrong?

PS- If we are not building from the Draft and we sure as hell don't have money to go shopping during Free Agency what do you suggest? We build from Draft it's the only way to get good players cheap. How do the Steelers constantly draft good WR and we can't even draft 1? Maybe Perriman is that guy? I sure as hell hope so and I know it is something I would love to see him do against the Steelers!

We could start by not burying ourselves in dead money situations. Then, perhaps stop whiffing on so many of our picks. There.....a start. And here is a stat for you.......5-11.

[samilbourne]

  On ‎2‎/‎23‎/‎2016 at 1:39 PM, samilbourne said:

OK - the front office deserves some of the blame for this. They should have checked him out in a more through manner than they did prior to drafting him, and, then, they could have been more forthcoming as to the extent of the injury. However, this man has been paid a great deal of money for performance, and no performance has been registered as of yet. I've not seen anything that indicates that he is working diligently to get back on the field this coming season. Until we see that - or the evidence of such - he will be subject to this criticism, and it will be justified. When he signed the big contract, judgment of your performance - justified or not - is part of the deal. He needs to "suck it up", show the fans he is working hard to get healthy, and then deliver excellent performance on the field. Then the criticism will stop. Until then, the "forgotten man" label will be sticking to him like glue and no attempt by the PR department to remove it will work. Start showing up at the Castle to work out and train, Breshad. Show us you're working to get back. That might help. Hiding out isn't helping at all.

What else more could the Ravens have checked out?  Did you read the article?  He missed ONE game during his three year college career.  

He doesn't need to show the fans anything, that's absurd!  What makes you think he's not putting in all the work and physical therapy necessary to get back to 100%?  Just b/c he's not posting pics on Instagram or tweeting about his rehab, recovery and training doesn't mean he's not putting in the work.  Since being put on IR he's stated that he's going to do everything possible to be ready for this season.  He didn't even have to say that. As far as I'm concerned, that should be good enough for anyone until proven otherwise.  

OK - but where is he? Again, he is the "forgotten man" - nothing seen or heard. I'm a season ticket holder - I've paid for this player to perform. We've had no performance as of yet. I'm not saying he is a bust or a wimp - he may very well turn out to be a Hall of Fame talent. But, we need to see something - and soon, or the questions will start again. Hopefully, he'll be at minicamp and show the talent he possesses. Until then, he's a mystery man.

[samilbourne]

  On ‎2‎/‎23‎/‎2016 at 1:39 PM, samilbourne said:

OK - the front office deserves some of the blame for this. They should have checked him out in a more through manner than they did prior to drafting him, and, then, they could have been more forthcoming as to the extent of the injury. However, this man has been paid a great deal of money for performance, and no performance has been registered as of yet. I've not seen anything that indicates that he is working diligently to get back on the field this coming season. Until we see that - or the evidence of such - he will be subject to this criticism, and it will be justified. When he signed the big contract, judgment of your performance - justified or not - is part of the deal. He needs to "suck it up", show the fans he is working hard to get healthy, and then deliver excellent performance on the field. Then the criticism will stop. Until then, the "forgotten man" label will be sticking to him like glue and no attempt by the PR department to remove it will work. Start showing up at the Castle to work out and train, Breshad. Show us you're working to get back. That might help. Hiding out isn't helping at all.

1. His injury had nothing to do with pre-draft analysis, so wouldn't have changed anything

2. It really doesn't matter what fans see... fans can complain and label players whatever they want, but fan labels don't equate to anything. They don't affect pay, performance, team success, etc.

The very last thing I'd be asking Breshad to do, as a realistic fan, is put on a dog and pony show for the fans to get back in their good graces. 

It counts when you pay for PSLs and season tickets. When you pay for the merchandise, you should get to see what you paid for. We've seen nothing yet. And, how do you know there was not a injury pre-draft. Without seeing his medical file, no one knows. It's all too shrouded in mystery. He doesn't need to put on the so-called dog-and-pony show - just show us he's working out and training at the facility like any dedicated player should be.

[757RavensFan]

12 minutes ago, samilbourne said:

OK - but where is he? Again, he is the "forgotten man" - nothing seen or heard. I'm a season ticket holder - I've paid for this player to perform. We've had no performance as of yet. I'm not saying he is a bust or a wimp - he may very well turn out to be a Hall of Fame talent. But, we need to see something - and soon, or the questions will start again. Hopefully, he'll be at minicamp and show the talent he possesses. Until then, he's a mystery man.

 

Have you seen or heard about Flacco's rehab? No you haven't.  With your logic, you should be demanding to know about Flacco's health status and recovery as well.  Considering how much Joe is getting paid, shouldn't you be more concerned about his return this summer? Especially since you "pay to see them perform".  

[samilbourne]

  On ‎2‎/‎23‎/‎2016 at 1:39 PM, samilbourne said:

OK - the front office deserves some of the blame for this. They should have checked him out in a more through manner than they did prior to drafting him, and, then, they could have been more forthcoming as to the extent of the injury. However, this man has been paid a great deal of money for performance, and no performance has been registered as of yet. I've not seen anything that indicates that he is working diligently to get back on the field this coming season. Until we see that - or the evidence of such - he will be subject to this criticism, and it will be justified. When he signed the big contract, judgment of your performance - justified or not - is part of the deal. He needs to "suck it up", show the fans he is working hard to get healthy, and then deliver excellent performance on the field. Then the criticism will stop. Until then, the "forgotten man" label will be sticking to him like glue and no attempt by the PR department to remove it will work. Start showing up at the Castle to work out and train, Breshad. Show us you're working to get back. That might help. Hiding out isn't helping at all.

What else more could the Ravens have checked out?  Did you read the article?  He missed ONE game during his three year college career.  

He doesn't need to show the fans anything, that's absurd!  What makes you think he's not putting in all the work and physical therapy necessary to get back to 100%?  Just b/c he's not posting pics on Instagram or tweeting about his rehab, recovery and training doesn't mean he's not putting in the work.  Since being put on IR he's stated that he's going to do everything possible to be ready for this season.  He didn't even have to say that. As far as I'm concerned, that should be good enough for anyone until proven otherwise.  

It's not good enough! This guy has been shrouded in mystery since the injury occurred. Out of sight and out of mind. I did not say he was not putting in the work - just that's there's no evidence of it. Given that his entire Ravens career has been "out of sight and out of mind" - save for the first practices - we need more. He's been hidden behind closed doors - not out in the community, not practicing, giving few interviews - and, when you pay as much as we (PSL holders and season ticket holders) do for the merchandise, we need to see what we paid for. Right now, we've paid for a lot and gotten little. So until I see more, it has been "proven otherwise". There's been too much kept behind closed doors here. It's time for things to be brought into the light. I'm not saying he's a bust or a wimp - yet. I hope he's a Hall of Fame talent, but we need to see more. Until then, he needs to be challenged to show us more - because we've seen nothing yet.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, samilbourne said:

It counts when you pay for PSLs and season tickets. When you pay for the merchandise, you should get to see what you paid for. We've seen nothing yet. And, how do you know there was not a injury pre-draft. Without seeing his medical file, no one knows. It's all too shrouded in mystery. He doesn't need to put on the so-called dog-and-pony show - just show us he's working out and training at the facility like any dedicated player should be.

1. LOL, you buying PSL's, season tickets, and certainly merchandise doesn't earn you full transparency in all matters of the franchise. They don't have to tell the public a single thing when it comes to the health of the player... that's not even remotely what you are paying for.

When you buy merchandise, you're paying for that merchandise. Period. You aren't paying for the guy on the back of the jersey to be the greatest player in the history of the universe. You buying PSLs or season tickets is 100% for entertainment. That entertainment, in no shape or form, guarantees you winning seasons, or even seeing your favorite players out on the field every week. That's not part of the agreement you sign when you contractually agree to buy tickets or PSLs. 

2. If you want to be technical about it, I don't know that there wasn't an injury pre-draft. And flipping that card right back at ya, you don't know that there WAS an injury pre-draft. So instead of people making assumptions that there was one and claiming the Ravens didn't do their "due diligence", perhaps fans should just stick to things that are actually factual instead of speculating.

3. Why is it so important for you as a fan to see him working out? Do you demand to see every player working out? Again, I have no idea when some of you fans starting feeling so entitled to have full-time access to players and coaches, but I'd suggest everyone that does change that notion immediately, because you're simply not going to get it. This franchise isn't in the business of making fans feel better about themselves, and that's the only thing it appears some people are interested in at the moment.

[757RavensFan]

9 minutes ago, samilbourne said:

It counts when you pay for PSLs and season tickets. When you pay for the merchandise, you should get to see what you paid for. We've seen nothing yet. And, how do you know there was not a injury pre-draft. Without seeing his medical file, no one knows. It's all too shrouded in mystery. He doesn't need to put on the so-called dog-and-pony show - just show us he's working out and training at the facility like any dedicated player should be.

Do you honestly think the Ravens would have selected him with the 17th pick  w/out performing a thorough medical examination?  

We're not talking about a pick in the 7th round, we're talking about their 1st round pick.  I'm sure they didn't logon to WebMd to check 

out if BP was ok.  SMH. 

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, samilbourne said:

It's not good enough! This guy has been shrouded in mystery since the injury occurred. Out of sight and out of mind. I did not say he was not putting in the work - just that's there's no evidence of it. Given that his entire Ravens career has been "out of sight and out of mind" - save for the first practices - we need more. He's been hidden behind closed doors - not out in the community, not practicing, giving few interviews - and, when you pay as much as we (PSL holders and season ticket holders) do for the merchandise, we need to see what we paid for. Right now, we've paid for a lot and gotten little. So until I see more, it has been "proven otherwise". There's been too much kept behind closed doors here. It's time for things to be brought into the light. I'm not saying he's a bust or a wimp - yet. I hope he's a Hall of Fame talent, but we need to see more. Until then, he needs to be challenged to show us more - because we've seen nothing yet.

Yeah, that's not what you're paying for. None of that is guaranteed to you in the contract you signed.

And by all means... if you feel you're not getting what you're paying for, please, please, please... stop paying. Let somebody else who understands what its like to be a fan and understands what being a fan gets you have your seat.

[757RavensFan]

7 minutes ago, samilbourne said:

It's not good enough! This guy has been shrouded in mystery since the injury occurred. Out of sight and out of mind. I did not say he was not putting in the work - just that's there's no evidence of it. Given that his entire Ravens career has been "out of sight and out of mind" - save for the first practices - we need more. He's been hidden behind closed doors - not out in the community, not practicing, giving few interviews - and, when you pay as much as we (PSL holders and season ticket holders) do for the merchandise, we need to see what we paid for. Right now, we've paid for a lot and gotten little. So until I see more, it has been "proven otherwise". There's been too much kept behind closed doors here. It's time for things to be brought into the light. I'm not saying he's a bust or a wimp - yet. I hope he's a Hall of Fame talent, but we need to see more. Until then, he needs to be challenged to show us more - because we've seen nothing yet.

Google is a WONDERFUL tool.  

http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/12/07/player-positives/breshad-perriman-toys-for-tots/

 

Edited February 24, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[FloridalovesRavens]

Don't know if this is correct but I had heard it is up to the player to divulge certain parts of illness or injury (anyone know about that). If that is correct maybe that's why we haven't had a blow by blow on his injury. Who knows. I feel for the kid. I am quite sure he doesn't like the situation any more than we do. Give him the benefit of the doubt please!

[harfordravenfan]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. LOL, you buying PSL's, season tickets, and certainly merchandise doesn't earn you full transparency in all matters of the franchise. They don't have to tell the public a single thing when it comes to the health of the player... that's not even remotely what you are paying for.

When you buy merchandise, you're paying for that merchandise. Period. You aren't paying for the guy on the back of the jersey to be the greatest player in the history of the universe. You buying PSLs or season tickets is 100% for entertainment. That entertainment, in no shape or form, guarantees you winning seasons, or even seeing your favorite players out on the field every week. That's not part of the agreement you sign when you contractually agree to buy tickets or PSLs. 

2. If you want to be technical about it, I don't know that there wasn't an injury pre-draft. And flipping that card right back at ya, you don't know that there WAS an injury pre-draft. So instead of people making assumptions that there was one and claiming the Ravens didn't do their "due diligence", perhaps fans should just stick to things that are actually factual instead of speculating.

3. Why is it so important for you as a fan to see him working out? Do you demand to see every player working out? Again, I have no idea when some of you fans starting feeling so entitled to have full-time access to players and coaches, but I'd suggest everyone that does change that notion immediately, because you're simply not going to get it. This franchise isn't in the business of making fans feel better about themselves, and that's the only thing it appears some people are interested in at the moment.

Well said

[757RavensFan]

7 hours ago, barneslc@sbcglobal.net said:

Sorry John! I don't like or agree with the "spin" you are putting on this one. In my opinion, the inability to recover from the partial tear in a timely manner was never clearly explained. With that type of injury, it would have been realistic to be on the field later in the season just to get the experience and see what he was capable of. The ravens certainly needed him with all of the other injuries.

Also, the fact that he never set foot on the field still falls into the category of "not performing to expectations" as you mentioned. So that would still make the label "bust" accurate. I hope he proves all of us doubters wrong with a monster comeback. But it's like you wrote, "If he makes it onto the field in 2016!" We'll see!

 

Would you agree, that in order to "perform to expectations" , you have to be medically cleared to do so first? 

[harfordravenfan]

3 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Google is a WONDERFUL tool.  

http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/12/07/player-positives/breshad-perriman-toys-for-tots/

 

Guess he should've delivered a toy to samilbourne 

[Moderator 3]

19 minutes ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

Don't know if this is correct but I had heard it is up to the player to divulge certain parts of illness or injury (anyone know about that). If that is correct maybe that's why we haven't had a blow by blow on his injury. Who knows. I feel for the kid. I am quite sure he doesn't like the situation any more than we do. Give him the benefit of the doubt please!

The team can't release medical information without the player's permission AND most teams don't want players to release injury information.  Therefore anything that gets released is with the consent of both parties.

[catgirl54]

Perriman's injury was just one more bad piece of luck the Ravens had to face last season. Hopefully, they got it all out of their systems and can go forward healthy.

[GENE2407]

I don't think anything's been unfair at this point. To this day, we've never been told anything different than a "bruised knee" that occurred 7/31/15 and he has never played since. What are we supposed to think here? We needed this guy on the field badly. I'll tell you this, if you think this is unfair, wait until the backlash that happens if he is not out there running full speed and catching balls in the first practice/minicamp/walkthrough/etc. I mean, I can hear it now "Well, he's not out there today, we're just being cautious with Breshard given his injury last season............"

[GENE2407]

  21 hours ago, barneslc@sbcglobal.net said:

Sorry John! I don't like or agree with the "spin" you are putting on this one. In my opinion, the inability to recover from the partial tear in a timely manner was never clearly explained. With that type of injury, it would have been realistic to be on the field later in the season just to get the experience and see what he was capable of. The ravens certainly needed him with all of the other injuries.

Also, the fact that he never set foot on the field still falls into the category of "not performing to expectations" as you mentioned. So that would still make the label "bust" accurate. I hope he proves all of us doubters wrong with a monster comeback. But it's like you wrote, "If he makes it onto the field in 2016!" We'll see!

 

Would you agree, that in order to "perform to expectations" , you have to be medically cleared to do so first? 

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the guy never played again. In 40 years of watching football I don't think I've ever seen a guy so young miss so much time over that basic of an injury (bruised knee/pcl). What's going to happen when he really gets hurt (high ankle sprain, broken foot, lisfranc). Is he going to retire?

[Barney S]

  15 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

Don't know if this is correct but I had heard it is up to the player to divulge certain parts of illness or injury (anyone know about that). If that is correct maybe that's why we haven't had a blow by blow on his injury. Who knows. I feel for the kid. I am quite sure he doesn't like the situation any more than we do. Give him the benefit of the doubt please!

The team can't release medical information without the player's permission AND most teams don't want players to release injury information.  Therefore anything that gets released is with the consent of both parties.

So what about the injury report? Same deal? Does that information require the consent of both parties too?
http://operations.nfl.com/updates/football-ops/2015-nfl-injury-report-policy/

[harfordravenfan]

Glad to get an update (wished I heard he was medically cleared) but plenty of time and truly believe he will hush most anti-perriman fans this coming year