[News] Mel Kiper: Ravens Will Have '3 Really Good Options' At No. 6

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Mel Kiper doesn’t think the Ravens should trade back because there will be a lot of talent available.

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[jravens13]

I just want a defensive minded draft and the effort to get back to being a physically dominant defensive team. That is how we became consistent winners and had a track record in the playoffs. Adding another WR, TE, and RB did nothing for the win column in 2015.

Average QB's on defensive minded teams that won the SB in this century: (Trent Dilfer 2000, Tom Brady 2001, Brad Johnson 2002, Tom Brady 2003, Big Ben 2005, Eli Manning 2008, Eli Manning 2011, Joe Flacco 2012, Peyton Manning 2015). The majority of those teams didn't even have overwhelming offensive weapons.

Joey Bosa, Jaylon Smith, Vernon Hargreaves, and Myles Jack are all great options at No. 6.

[rmcjacket23]

16 minutes ago, jravens13 said:

I just want a defensive minded draft and the effort to get back to being a physically dominant defensive team. That is how we became consistent winners and had a track record in the playoffs. Adding another WR, TE, and RB did nothing for the win column in 2015.

Average QB's on defensive minded teams that won the SB in this century: (Trent Dilfer 2000, Tom Brady 2001, Brad Johnson 2002, Tom Brady 2003, Big Ben 2005, Eli Manning 2008, Eli Manning 2011, Joe Flacco 2012, Peyton Manning 2015). The majority of those teams didn't even have overwhelming offensive weapons.

Joey Bosa, Jaylon Smith, Vernon Hargreaves, and Myles Jack are all great options at No. 6.

You do realize Jaylon Smith is likely not even going to play football in 2016 right?

He's certainly a gigantic stretch at #6.

[Crusader]

Ravens seriously NEED a secondary leader more than anything then a quick linebacker Suggs and Dumervil will be back in form again. I would go corner-back or(safety) , linebacker then a pass rusher

[raven22nation]

Yes, i like it Ramsey if hes there which i dont beleive he will be, lets hope we dont fall into Joey Bosa trap, hes a bust

[stampedehero]

I LIke Ron Stanley as the pick

[mearzunkies]

Ramsey is a STEAL at 6!! IMO he will be gone:-( Buckner will be gone, rare for a true polished 4-3 D lineman to be available as well.

[mearzunkies]

Yes, i like it Ramsey if hes there which i dont beleive he will be, lets hope we dont fall into Joey Bosa trap, hes a bust

I so wish Ramsey!

[cushrinada1986]

The idea of OT at #6 is not sexy for alot of people but picking up Stanley in the first to solidify that left side for the next 7-9 years would be great. Monroe is a good player when healthy which can be a coin flip since recently. If we pick up an OT then we can let him play OG until he is either ready or once the dead money from Monroes contract gets reasonable. that allows Jensen to be used as a depth player for both OG positions and would be somewhat of a cheaper options than going into FA if Monroe gets hurt again.

[FGSB]

OT is not as dire a need as people think it is at least not in the first round. Ozzie has had recent success finding good additions to the O line in later rounds:

John Urschel - 5th round 2014
Rick Wagner - 5th round 2013
Ryan Jensen - 6th round 2013

Osemele wasn't even a 1st round pick and is shaping up to be one of the best in the league, the only recent blemish of Ozzie's I can find in regard to O line players is Gino Gradkowski in the 4th round of 2012, since then every single O line player we've drafted has been solid or better. You could even argue Monroe's last two seasons have been anomalies considering before those years he had only missed one game a season.

That being said, Ozzie hasn't had the most stellar record with skill position players in late OR early rounds recently, SPECIFICALLY the secondary:

Terrence Brooks (S) - 3rd round 2014
Marc Anthony (S) - 7th round 2013
Matt Elam (S) - 1st round 2013
Christian Thompson (S) - 4th round 2012
Asa Jackson (CB) - 5th round 2012

An OT as early as #6 would be a waste. If we're taking an OT I'd rather trade back to the early 10s and get more value out of it, but I find it hard to argue against going with Hargreaves or Ramsey at #6.

Make a good pick, not just a safe pick

Edited February 23, 2016 by FGSB
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[thecommish]

Jalen Ramsey

[757RavensFan]

Kiper said picking Bosa wouldn’t be the obvious move because, according to his mock draft, there would be other good options also on the board.

He named four prospects: UCLA linebacker Myles Jack, Notre Dame left tackle Ronnie Stanley, Florida cornerback Vernon Hargreaves and Oregon defensive end DeForest Buckner.

So Kiper named 5 players that the Ravens could select w/ the 6th pick?  I could have predicted that. 

[rmcjacket23]

59 minutes ago, FGSB said:

OT is not as dire a need as people think it is at least not in the first round. Ozzie has had recent success finding good additions to the O line in later rounds:

John Urschel - 5th round 2014
Rick Wagner - 5th round 2013
Ryan Jensen - 6th round 2013

Osemele wasn't even a 2nd round pick and is shaping up to be one of the best in the leauge, the only recent blemish of Ozzie's I can find in regard to O line players is Gino Gradkowski in the 4th round of 2012, since then every single O line player we've drafted has been solid or better. You could even argue Monroe's last two seasons have been anomalies considering before those years he had only missed one game a season.

That being said, Ozzie hasn't had the most stellar record with skill position players in late OR early rounds recently, SPECIFICALLY the secondary:

Terrence Brooks (S) - 3rd round 2014
Marc Anthony (S) - 7th round 2013
Matt Elam (S) - 1st round 2013
Christian Thompson (S) - 4th round 2012
Asa Jackson (CB) - 5th round 2012

An OT as early as #6 would be a waste. If we're taking an OT I'd rather trade back to the early 10s and get more value out of it, but I find it hard to argue against going with Hargreaves or Ramsey at #6.

Make a good pick, not just a safe pick

None of the guys you listed are LTs though, which would be what we would draft at 6. Most teams don't have problems finding good INTERIOR lineman late in the draft or even RTs.

Take a look at the list of starting LTs in this league...it's riddled almost entirely with first round picks, many of them high first round picks.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I would love Bosa at 6 and if that were to happen Oz has shown in the past that he can get a great O-lineman in later rounds too.

[dc5bundy]

Yes, i like it Ramsey if hes there which i dont beleive he will be, lets hope we dont fall into Joey Bosa trap, hes a bust

I feel the same way about Bosa!

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, dc5bundy said:

I feel the same way about Bosa!

he's far from a bust.  He has a multitude of moves.  Can convert speed to power.  Has a great punch and pull technique.  Uses hands like an NFL veteran and with great technique. 

[ellicottraven]

One of Buckner, Bosa, Ramsey or Myles Jack may be available to us because I truly believe only one QB is taken before us. If you add Tunsil as the #1 pick, then it is possible that one of those 4 will fall to us. My personal preference is in this order: Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa and Jack in that order. I'll be thrilled with one of those 4 for sure.

[ellicottraven]

OT is not as dire a need as people think it is at least not in the first round. Ozzie has had recent success finding good additions to the O line in later rounds:

John Urschel - 5th round 2014
Rick Wagner - 5th round 2013
Ryan Jensen - 6th round 2013

Osemele wasn't even a 2nd round pick and is shaping up to be one of the best in the leauge, the only recent blemish of Ozzie's I can find in regard to O line players is Gino Gradkowski in the 4th round of 2012, since then every single O line player we've drafted has been solid or better. You could even argue Monroe's last two seasons have been anomalies considering before those years he had only missed one game a season.

That being said, Ozzie hasn't had the most stellar record with skill position players in late OR early rounds recently, SPECIFICALLY the secondary:

Terrence Brooks (S) - 3rd round 2014
Marc Anthony (S) - 7th round 2013
Matt Elam (S) - 1st round 2013
Christian Thompson (S) - 4th round 2012
Asa Jackson (CB) - 5th round 2012

An OT as early as #6 would be a waste. If we're taking an OT I'd rather trade back to the early 10s and get more value out of it, but I find it hard to argue against going with Hargreaves or Ramsey at #6.

Make a good pick, not just a safe pick

Osemele was a second round pick I believe.

[Saxxin]

Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner. In that order. They will get one of those guys no doubt. And I'll be happy as [profanity deleted] when that happens.

[jravens13]

7 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You do realize Jaylon Smith is likely not even going to play football in 2016 right?

He's certainly a gigantic stretch at #6.

Jaylon Smith is likely the best defensive player in the draft. He can play every LB position in a 4-3 or 3-4 and he is worth the wait. Smith tore his ACL on Jan 1st. Flacco tore his ACL in November 2015 and is expected to be back by Training Camp. 

[RavensDieHard21]

Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner. In that order. They will get one of those guys no doubt. And I'll be happy as [profanity deleted] when that happens.

not 100% though, there is maybe a slight chance Buckner or Bosa slide to us, but no guarantee.

[RavensDieHard21]

  4 hours ago, FGSB said:

OT is not as dire a need as people think it is at least not in the first round. Ozzie has had recent success finding good additions to the O line in later rounds:

John Urschel - 5th round 2014
Rick Wagner - 5th round 2013
Ryan Jensen - 6th round 2013

Osemele wasn't even a 2nd round pick and is shaping up to be one of the best in the leauge, the only recent blemish of Ozzie's I can find in regard to O line players is Gino Gradkowski in the 4th round of 2012, since then every single O line player we've drafted has been solid or better. You could even argue Monroe's last two seasons have been anomalies considering before those years he had only missed one game a season.

That being said, Ozzie hasn't had the most stellar record with skill position players in late OR early rounds recently, SPECIFICALLY the secondary:

Terrence Brooks (S) - 3rd round 2014
Marc Anthony (S) - 7th round 2013
Matt Elam (S) - 1st round 2013
Christian Thompson (S) - 4th round 2012
Asa Jackson (CB) - 5th round 2012

An OT as early as #6 would be a waste. If we're taking an OT I'd rather trade back to the early 10s and get more value out of it, but I find it hard to argue against going with Hargreaves or Ramsey at #6.

Make a good pick, not just a safe pick

Osemele was a second round pick I believe.

Haha I read that and it felt it was written with such confidence and then I realized "no KO certainly was a second rounder, I am 100% positive". Great effort though.

[RavensDieHard21]

One of Buckner, Bosa, Ramsey or Myles Jack may be available to us because I truly believe only one QB is taken before us. If you add Tunsil as the #1 pick, then it is possible that one of those 4 will fall to us. My personal preference is in this order: Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa and Jack in that order. I'll be thrilled with one of those 4 for sure.

I will say it every day to the draft, I agree! Jack at this point is the undeniable safety net where we know we still get an immediate game changer at #6 if we cannot grab a play maker in the secondary like Ramsey or pass rusher/run stopper like Bosa and Buckner.

[RavensDieHard21]

  3 hours ago, dc5bundy said:

I feel the same way about Bosa!

he's far from a bust.  He has a multitude of moves.  Can convert speed to power.  Has a great punch and pull technique.  Uses hands like an NFL veteran and with great technique. 

Thank you! Well said, those who think Bosa will be a bust must have not watched college football at all the past two years, particularly Ohio State. PFF has him as their top prospect two years in a row for a reason. He can play run and rush the passer at an elite level, imagine having him next to Sizzle, Doom, Williams, Jernigan, and Co.

[RavensDieHard21]

Ravens seriously NEED a secondary leader more than anything then a quick linebacker Suggs and Dumervil will be back in form again. I would go corner-back or(safety) , linebacker then a pass rusher

Terrell Suggs will be 34 in October and Doom just turned 32. While I think they both have gas in the tank, we need a nice rotation of rushers to keep the vets fresh and to allow them to be groomed and ready once our vets sail off into the sunset. Finding top notch pass rushers is difficult unless you're drafting near the top of the draft, so if Bosa or Buckner are there and Ramsey is gone, we must take whoever is left, if they even are.

[jravens13]

56 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Thank you! Well said, those who think Bosa will be a bust must have not watched college football at all the past two years, particularly Ohio State. PFF has him as their top prospect two years in a row for a reason. He can play run and rush the passer at an elite level, imagine having him next to Sizzle, Doom, Williams, Jernigan, and Co.

Suggs and Bosa holding down the edge. How do you run on us? I feel like Bosa and Suggs are almost the same type of player. QB's would fear the obvious passing downs. 

[Maryland]

Bosa would be a nice pick. Jack would be an intriguing pick, since I have to wonder if Pees could use him correctly/effectively. Stanley would be an alright pick if we traded back about 5-10 spots, since a pass-pro LT who is weak in the run game is an underwhelming prospect that high. Buckner seems like he plays with poor pad level, meaning he will get stood up by NFL O-linemen, but perhaps he can work on that (the recent history of Oregon DL/OLBs has me wary of his bust potential).

[J.O.14]

I would be very pleased if we have the opportunity to draft Bosa, Ramsey, or Jack. I think all 3 players would be game changers for our defense. Bosa would obviously help our OLB group a ton. I don't believe he will be a fantastic pass rusher, but he will be dominate against the run. I'm not a scout so he could be a lot better at pass rushing than I believe, but he is a great all around player which we need. Ramsey is a play maker and can play all positions in the secondary. We need playmakers. The idea of CJ Mosley and Myles Jack chasing ball carriers down gives me goosebumps. We are going to get a great player.

I wouldn't rule out Buckner either, big guy who can dominate the LOS. Can get interior pass rush and stuff the run. I can't wait for April.

[rmcjacket23]

8 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Jaylon Smith is likely the best defensive player in the draft. He can play every LB position in a 4-3 or 3-4 and he is worth the wait. Smith tore his ACL on Jan 1st. Flacco tore his ACL in November 2015 and is expected to be back by Training Camp. 

Smith is likely to miss all of training camp and probably all of the preseason. Just because Adrian Peterson heels from the injury in record time doesn't mean Jaylon Smith will. If he didn't play football for 18 months, it wouldn't surprise me. There's a long list of players with the same injury who have had the same problem.

Also, there really aren't too many people beating the drum on him being the best defensive player in the draft. If he were fully healthy, there's probably at least 2-3 defensive players who would get drafted before him.

[Ravens07]

Jack is my favorite player in the entire draft. I think he will be a special player for a long time. I don't think there will be a problem getting him on the field his first year with Mosley/Smith because he can play all over the defense. He really is a Jack of all trades. The only player I would even consider taking over Jack is Ramsey because I think he will also be a great player and it's a bigger positional need. I doubt Ramsey falls, though. I really like Bosa, but not over those two. I think his ceiling is limited.