Carson Wentz - QB?

[Edgar]

Two obvious caveats in this regard would of course be; 1) an agreement reached between Ravens and Flacco(likely to happen)

.                                                                                       2) Wentz is drafted before Ravens selection (also likely to happen)

 

If you've indulged me this far I will begin to make a case in hypothetical.First, let me say that I liked Wentz well before the recent buzz. With that out of the way,what has he to offer?

1) Wentz is extremely athletic. What I mean to say is not only that is fast(he is) but that he makes guys miss in space,runs past guys and in some cases runs them over(not advisable at the next level). This is a guy who will be able to convert third downs with his legs if he has to.

2) watch this guy throw and see if he reminds you of anyone...just watch him throw. He makes big time NFL throws routinely. Watch tape from two years ago and notice he struggled a little with accuracy on deep throws. Watch this year past and notice how much that part of his game improved.

3) highly competitive displays great leadership..smart.

There is little question to me after watching him that he is a better prospect than Flacco coming out. This doesn't mean he will translate necessarily,just my opinion. I do think it will benefit him greatly to sit for a year.

Taking him at six if course opens up a host of scenario. This is a gamble but one that I think pays off. 1) There is the strong possibility that upon taking him we are offered multiple picks in this draft and in future ones. I consider this a likelihood not a certainty. If we want to make hay in rounds one and two in a draft class that is generally weak, this would be a way to do so.

2) we are offered nothing and opt for Flacco to play this year and next with no extension, with Wentz as our two. If the organization is in fact prepared to play this year eating Flaccos hit(dubious), then see how Flacco responds and plays this year. You will know after one year if Wentz/Flacco are worth trading. Probably for a ton of picks.

3) supposing Ozzie and co. Legitimately find this guy the best player on their board at six and are willing to let him develop for a year or two or three(depending on how Flacco performs)before they transition.

what will be giving up for a potential franchise QB successor?

 

As soon as Flacco signs a restructure this is clearly moot. If he doesn't.......this is all fodder anyway..

 

[GrimCoconut]

Nobody will like this idea because we have Flacco under contract and we can win with Flacco so why waste our highest pick in like a decade on a QB, especially when they'll sit and have no impact. I personally agree with that thought process but I really don't think it's a terrible idea for us to select a QB, either, if we think that player is BPA. 

[RaineV1]

Even if he's the BPA, no. He'd be sitting behind Flacco for the next five years. However, if the Ravens actually did need a QB, Wentz is the one I'd want.

[Edgar]

36 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Nobody will like this idea because we have Flacco under contract and we can win with Flacco so why waste our highest pick in like a decade on a QB, especially when they'll sit and have no impact. I personally agree with that thought process but I really don't think it's a terrible idea for us to select a QB, either, if we think that player is BPA. 

I'm pretty sure the notion is unpopular but if nothing else it is an angle I'm sure the Ravens have thought about so why not discuss it.

[Cillmatic]

The Browns are taking him

[ALI624]

Well if Flacco won't restructure then let's just release him and let the Ryan Mallet era begin. Lol!!!!

[allblackraven]

Yeah, just way too early to start thinking about that. It will happen at some point in 202*

[Winchester]

Anyways Wentz and Goff are charging up draft boards. Will go top 7!! Big question is what do ravens do if one is available while on the clock. Ravens will get several competing offers from teams looking to jump SF.

[ravensnick]

If Paxton Lynch somehow falls to the third, I'd be more than fine with taking him as a backup and letting him develop behind Joe for three years. 

[Edgar]

On February 22, 2016 at 2:15 PM, RaineV1 said:

IfEven if he's the BPA, no. He'd be sitting behind Flacco for the next five years. However, if the Ravens actually did need a QB, Wentz is the one I'd want.

If Flacco extension happens, no way they take him,of course. But if they go forward as is and were to draft Wentz, either he or Flacco will get dealt after a year I would guess

[ellicottraven]

Mike Mayock who I have lot of respect for recently stated that Carson Wentz is an Andrew Luck type talent. That was shocking to me, but I trust Mayock knows what he's talking about. From that context, let's just assume that both Cleveland and Dallas pass on Wentz, thereby meaning that the top 4 defensive players and Tunsil are all gone. Now, in that scenario assuming no trade partner is available do you believe the Ravens will draft Wentz?

Just given his talent level ( if he's even close to becoming an Andrew Luck), would it be so bad for him to sit behind Flacco and learn for the next couple of years learning and growing? Or do you think the Ravens will be too scared to draft a QB because it may piss Flacco off and put the fear of food in Linta's mind?

Edited February 24, 2016 by ellicottraven

[rudywasoffsides]

15 hours ago, ravensnick said:

If Paxton Lynch somehow falls to the third, I'd be more than fine with taking him as a backup and letting him develop behind Joe for three years. 

Pigs will fly before this happens. No way Lynch makes it out of the second. Probably not even the first

[Sizzlebshu]

On February 22, 2016 at 2:07 PM, GrimCoconut said:

Nobody will like this idea because we have Flacco under contract and we can win with Flacco so why waste our highest pick in like a decade on a QB, especially when they'll sit and have no impact. I personally agree with that thought process but I really don't think it's a terrible idea for us to select a QB, either, if we think that player is BPA. 

It is unrealistic since hes not a traditional top pick qb which had value and even if he is a hit, we wont get value for him

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

Mike Mayock who I have lot of respect for recently stated that Carson Wentz is an Andrew Luck type talent. That was shocking to me, but I trust Mayock knows what he's talking about. From that context, let's just assume that both Cleveland and Dallas pass on Wentz, thereby meaning that the top 4 defensive players and Tunsil are all gone. Now, in that scenario assuming no trade partner is available do you believe the Ravens will draft Wentz?

Just given his talent level ( if he's even close to becoming an Andrew Luck), would it be so bad for him to sit behind Flacco and learn for the next couple of years learning and growing? Or do you think the Ravens will be too scared to draft a QB because it may piss Flacco off and put the fear of food in Linta's mind?

This is essentially my topic and exactly what I'm bringing up. It seems most people found it silly or simply skimmed rather than read( I'm the same way a lot of the time).

This becomes very interesting only if the Flacco extension is stalled. Personally,if he is highest on the board...take him.

It probably would piss Flacco off. Remember when Tyrod came in and Joe split out wide? He stood there and did nothing but pout.

Or, Joe could play lights out and the team could make a run. I think there may be a growing suspicion that Joe is one mediocre year away from the organization feeling they would be throwing good money after bad by extending him. I think there is a better chance that I'm wrong and that an extension is imminent. To me Wentz is a better PROSPECT than Joe coming out.

if Ozzie thinks that and a deal is not reached and Wentz is on the board......who knows?

[GrimCoconut]

21 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

It is unrealistic since hes not a traditional top pick qb which had value and even if he is a hit, we wont get value for him

We'll have to see. I doubt we draft a QB high but I wouldn't fault the team if we did, but that's assuming the obvious that Flacco's deal doesn't get reworked. I highly doubt we draft a QB high and rework Flacco's deal as that makes little sense. 

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

We'll have to see. I doubt we draft a QB high but I wouldn't fault the team if we did, but that's assuming the obvious that Flacco's deal doesn't get reworked. I highly doubt we draft a QB high and rework Flacco's deal as that makes little sense. 

If Wentz falls to us (doubtful) and we indeed take him, one reason for that would be the asking price for Joe from Linta is way more than the Ravens are willing to pay. Especially if Joe wants that and is unwilling to budge, then the Ravens may be left with little choice than to draft a QB and let him sit for a year behind Joe.

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

If Wentz falls to us (doubtful) and we indeed take him, one reason for that would be the asking price for Joe from Linta is way more than the Ravens are willing to pay. Especially if Joe wants that and is unwilling to budge, then the Ravens may be left with little choice than to draft a QB and let him sit for a year behind Joe.

Yeah, I agree. That's the only way I see us taking a QB. 

[ellicottraven]

After watching his combine interview and studying his tape and senior bowl practices, I am even more impressed with this kid. He has charisma and carries himself like a franchise QB and exudes confidence. I'm just praying the Brownies like Goff more now...