[News] Late For Work 2/22: What Is Nick Boyle's Future With Ravens?

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[757RavensFan]

Regarding second & third chances, when Bernard Pierce was cut for his DUI, was that his 1st issue as a Raven? 

[Space11jams]

Regarding second & third chances, when Bernard Pierce was cut for his DUI, was that his 1st issue as a Raven? 

I think that was right after the Rice incident. They had no choice but to cut them since that whole thing was going in.

[burnbigben]

9 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Regarding second & third chances, when Bernard Pierce was cut for his DUI, was that his 1st issue as a Raven?

I belive it was, but because it was right after the Rice fiasco the team seemed to be putting the foot down to prevent more backlash.

[ellicottraven]

As for Boyle, more information is needed before making a decision. Did he do the same exact thing he was suspended for? Or did he take a supplement different from the one he got suspended for previously innocently? we'll know more only if he comes out and talks about it. Then a decision can be made whether he belongs here or not. As for Pitta, the only thing that keeps haunting me is his Presser last year. In that he declared rather confidently, that if he can't suit up this season, it's probably over for him. He can't see any reason why his ability to play would change next year. So, the question I have for him is why does he now believe he still can play? Unless of course he's been advised to say that for financial reasons. I don't see how that really helps him though. It is really disappointing because he was one of the players I really rooted for.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Answer: Resident idiot.

 

Doubt we cut him, he certainly has flashes last year and frankly looked more impressive than Maxx (though I do think Maxx has a higher ceiling).

[rmcjacket23]

51 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Regarding second & third chances, when Bernard Pierce was cut for his DUI, was that his 1st issue as a Raven? 

Dependent on the infraction, and obviously there's always been a double standard league-wide anyway. The league isn't exactly harsh or known for caring much about PED or drug usage from its testing policy, so teams are more likely to be "lenient" with those types of issues vs off-field issues that make the entire league look bad.

[The Mom Gene]

Annnnnd there goes Delaware to Delaware..... smh. Guys work so hard for this kind of opportunity. Some others just don't know when they have it right in the palm of their hands.

[RavensDieHard21]

Until the combine, we're officially at the pure anything will serve as news period lol Anyhow, Boyle made great progress, but if you have two violations within a few months then the team cannot rely on you as a great decision maker. Maxx and Crockett are going to develop nicely regardless of Boyle and Pitta.

[757RavensFan]

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Dependent on the infraction, and obviously there's always been a double standard league-wide anyway. The league isn't exactly harsh or known for caring much about PED or drug usage from its testing policy, so teams are more likely to be "lenient" with those types of issues vs off-field issues that make the entire league look bad.

A cavalier attitude regarding PED or drug use, testing and punishment doesn't make the league look all that good. 

[jboy19]

I don't really see a good reason to cut him. Even though the team certainly is not hurting at the tight end position, it is always good to have a talented depth player that doesn't have a significant cap number. As bad as last offseason seemed, the team appeared to be more disciplined and dedicated this year and there is no more "Harbaugh can't control the team" talk. The team should keep him (hopefully he gets over this, but even if he doesn't keeping him is low risk and high reward) and let him develop.

[The Greek]

hoping pitta accepts a pay cut if he chooses to play and passes his physical.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

As for Boyle, more information is needed before making a decision. Did he do the same exact thing he was suspended for? Or did he take a supplement different from the one he got suspended for previously innocently? we'll know more only if he comes out and talks about it. Then a decision can be made whether he belongs here or not. As for Pitta, the only thing that keeps haunting me is his Presser last year. In that he declared rather confidently, that if he can't suit up this season, it's probably over for him. He can't see any reason why his ability to play would change next year. So, the question I have for him is why does he now believe he still can play? Unless of course he's been advised to say that for financial reasons. I don't see how that really helps him though. It is really disappointing because he was one of the players I really rooted for.

The whole Pitta story maybe be a bit of a smokescreen I think. Either way it keeps other teams guessing as they try to rebuilt and prepare for a new season. MY guess is Pitta and the Ravens have a strong idea of what will be the strategy moving forward but are not divulging the details until things pan out for certain.

[rmcjacket23]

24 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

A cavalier attitude regarding PED or drug use, testing and punishment doesn't make the league look all that good. 

Ehhh... maybe. I mean the people who determine whether the league looks good or not (basically the media and the public) have made it quite clear that they could really care less about PED or drug use in the NFL either.

I mean its a sport designed for oversized male athletes to run into each other as violently and recklessly as possible.

Sports industries that are actually concerned about poor public perception from a PED policy generally have very harsh one's, issuing lifetime bans for 2nd or 3rd offenders, depending on the sport. Considering you can test positive for PEDs 3-4 times before getting even a 1 year suspension and you can test positive for recreational drugs a good 6-7 times before getting a 1 year suspension in the NFL sort of tells you all you need to know.

And for what its worth, its not like I or anybody else is suggesting that the punishment is too harsh. I've never once said they need to tighten their stance on PEDs, because I don't care if players use them or not.

The public cares more about off-field incidents like a DUI because they know that the legal system likely won't punish them, and therefore the public expects their employer to do so.

[ellicottraven]

  1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

As for Boyle, more information is needed before making a decision. Did he do the same exact thing he was suspended for? Or did he take a supplement different from the one he got suspended for previously innocently? we'll know more only if he comes out and talks about it. Then a decision can be made whether he belongs here or not. As for Pitta, the only thing that keeps haunting me is his Presser last year. In that he declared rather confidently, that if he can't suit up this season, it's probably over for him. He can't see any reason why his ability to play would change next year. So, the question I have for him is why does he now believe he still can play? Unless of course he's been advised to say that for financial reasons. I don't see how that really helps him though. It is really disappointing because he was one of the players I really rooted for.

The whole Pitta story maybe be a bit of a smokescreen I think. Either way it keeps other teams guessing as they try to rebuilt and prepare for a new season. MY guess is Pitta and the Ravens have a strong idea of what will be the strategy moving forward but are not divulging the details until things pan out for certain.

Hmm, interesting. We'll find out soon I suppose.

[bioLarzen]

Annnnnd there goes Delaware to Delaware..... smh. Guys work so hard for this kind of opportunity. Some others just don't know when they have it right in the palm of their hands.

We already had a Dealware-to-Delaware connection with Gino Gradkowski at C - that didn't pan out especially well either...

[bioLarzen]

Regarding second & third chances, when Bernard Pierce was cut for his DUI, was that his 1st issue as a Raven? 

That was a time when the Ravens were under intense scrutiny because of the Rice-affair... and also, we looked good at RB, so it wasn't too hard to let him go.

[TorryGundy]

Question on the cap, Say if we keep Pitta on the roster but he goes on the PUP list. Does that still count against the cap. I know if he retires or we cut him he will. Also I think the June first date has a factor in his salary cap cost as well. Just not sure on the PUP.

[stixfix69]

i would find a way to IR Boyle for the entire year after his suspension is up, so he has a full year filled with drug testing and earning the trust back that he has lost....He is a solid player with tons of upside if he can get all these issues resolved...JMO....

[fusuymada]

Happy Birthday to Brandon Williams. My girlfriend works at Kennedy Krieger and Williams and Crockett Gilmore were out to meet with the kids. She said Brandon Williams went above and beyond in interactions with the children and really endeared himself to the kids and staff as well. She mentioned just what a special person Brandon Williams is and the time he spent with kids with special needs was amazing. The PR staff literally had to drag him and Crockett Gilmore from the facility. Maybe LFW might want to highlight some of the special things Ravens players do in the community as it clearly does not get enough play time here on the Ravens site.

[The Mom Gene]

  2 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

Annnnnd there goes Delaware to Delaware..... smh. Guys work so hard for this kind of opportunity. Some others just don't know when they have it right in the palm of their hands.

We already had a Dealware-to-Delaware connection with Gino Gradkowski at C - that didn't pan out especially well either...

Yeah, there was that... I liked this one though. I was moreover referring to the blowing of a great opportunity. So sad.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Regarding second & third chances, when Bernard Pierce was cut for his DUI, was that his 1st issue as a Raven? 

No, there was the issue down in Ocean City at Seacrets during Ravens Week. Pierce was hammered and wouldn't leave the bar. He and a couple others (Jimmy Smith/Jacoby) had to be escorted out by the bouncers. He obviously had a "party/drinking problem".

And his DUI came right after the FO said there will be zero tolerance for any off the field trouble.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, TorryGundy said:

Question on the cap, Say if we keep Pitta on the roster but he goes on the PUP list. Does that still count against the cap. I know if he retires or we cut him he will. Also I think the June first date has a factor in his salary cap cost as well. Just not sure on the PUP.

Yes, still counts. Injured players are, for the most part, guaranteed their salaries, so he would still count $7.2M against the cap.

There's pretty much no chance of this happening, because it implies that the Ravens would be willing to pay Pitta's $5M salary in 2016, which they most certainly are not.

[Xmadraven]

I think it goes, 2 game checks, 4 game checks, 4 game suspension, (Insert number game suspension (Season ban)

Each one usually requires you to fail 2-4 drug tests. I'm assuming the dude has failed at least 6 drug texts (For what I do not know) It is a PED and not substance abuse so who knows.

Either way boyle had his chances, he's the 3rd string TE we can find someone for the minimum and move on (No pitta will be a post-june 1 cut or retire)

Pitta wasn't cleared to play and isn't in the teams plans for the future, Even if he could play we have maxx+Crockett on the cheap for 3 years.

Cutting Monroe won't fix our hole at LT because we save 2.2 million, That doesn't even get you a good backup LT. 2.2 million is about 1/5th of what we would need to pay Osemele.

We'll rebound but ozzie is gonna have to be smart as always.

[ALPHA]

Cut him.

[ravenwildman]

I'm just wondering with two busts for the same (I assume) stuff, what is the PED he used? What does it do? I find it hard to believe he could think he wouldn't get caught twice o.O ......Such a shame, he has great potential. GO RAVENS!

[law215]

Ravens must stop paying guys that are not on the field. Whether because of always injured, suspensions, or poor play. That's a formula to be 3rd in the AFC North. You are not going to catch Steelers and Bengals paying guys who can't play while they eat up cap space so you can't improve the team. What did Asa add after all those suspensions? Nothing, and was eventually cut because he was outperformed by someone the Ravens got off the street.

[MissRay27]

I'm just wondering with two busts for the same (I assume) stuff, what is the PED he used? What does it do? I find it hard to believe he could think he wouldn't get caught twice o.O ......Such a shame, he has great potential. GO RAVENS!

What in the wild world of sports was he thinking. Oh, maybe he wasn't thinking! Such potential and about to throw it all away. Three strikes you're out for sure. Ozzie may have to use one of those late round picks on a TE.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Unfortunately teams do not have crystal balls to determine injuries,etc. In most instances I think you'll find the Ravens are pretty smart most of the time with their selections and payouts. This past year was the "year of the injury" and no one can tell if or when that happens. Other teams have far worse problems including Steelers and Bengals not to mention Browns. The Bengals have a bunch of dirty players and the Browns have a QB who can't and won't stay out of trouble. The Steelers have a QB who can't seem to get through an entire season without injury! So all in all I'll take what the Ravens are giving us and be satisfied. Go Ravens.

[GregRaven]

Boyle: We are not the Bengals or Browns....Cut Him!!!