Sam's Pre-FA mock draft

[jboy19]

I really like this mock. I have my fingers crossed that Ramsey falls. I have my fingers crossed that Myles Jack ends up in JAX. 

[trevorsteadman]

I know a lot of people like Hargreaves and I like his play style. But I am also afraid of the high bust potential small corners have. Not saying he will be a bust but smaller corners have had a history of of having a harder time in the NFL.

[Italian Raven]

1 hour ago, January J said:

A line of Buckner- Bwilliams- Jernigan is too good to pass up.

I would also warmly embrace the idea of such a line.. I just find hard to believe that Buckner will get it past the Jags; they may very well use his versatility to put some pressure off Fowler.
So you think SD goes with Bosa and Jack stays put on Ramsey? 

I'm not tryin to convince you guys nor I consider my point of view as the ultimate truth, so don't get me wrong if I keep insisting on this topic, I simply want to show how, either landing a combination of Buck-Thompson or Buck-K.Fuller , Jack-Jackson , Jack-Boyd we're going to lack a real change in our pass-rush.
So, even if I consider it a slight reach due to his lack of effectiveness as a run stopper I think we might end up having a better overall draft outcome and team improvement by taking Spence ahead of Jack.

For instance, I see:
RD 
1     Spence
2     Redmond/K.Fuller
3     Miller/Higgins
4     Matakevich/D.Jones
4     Toner
4     Zettel/Ioannidis 

Paying out better for us than 

RD
1      Jack
2      Redmond/K.Fuller
3      Miller/Higgins
4      Schobert  
4      Toner
4      Zettel/Ioannidis

But again, just my point of view on the matter

[Italian Raven]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I know a lot of people like Hargreaves and I like his play style. But I am also afraid of the high bust potential small corners have. Not saying he will be a bust but smaller corners have had a history of of having a harder time in the NFL.

It's a very common feeling, however his dominance at collegiate level has been impressive since his frashman season.
Many times when watching him playing I had the impression he was the most fluid and istinctive CB I had seen in a while.

[Jacquouille]

My main concern with Hargreaves is durability. He's got a very agressive style and put his whole body into each tackle. It's great to see, but can his body hold up for a long time like this?

[ravensnick]

7 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

I would also warmly embrace the idea of such a line.. I just find hard to believe that Buckner will get it past the Jags; they may very well use his versatility to put some pressure off Fowler.
So you think SD goes with Bosa and Jack stays put on Ramsey? 

I'm not tryin to convince you guys nor I consider my point of view as the ultimate truth, so don't get me wrong if I keep insisting on this topic, I simply want to show how, either landing a combination of Buck-Thompson or Buck-K.Fuller , Jack-Jackson , Jack-Boyd we're going to lack a real change in our pass-rush.
So, even if I consider it a slight reach due to his lack of effectiveness as a run stopper I think we might end up having a better overall draft outcome and team improvement by taking Spence ahead of Jack.

For instance, I see:
RD 
1     Spence
2     Redmond/K.Fuller
3     Miller/Higgins
4     Matakevich/D.Jones
4     Toner
4     Zettel/Ioannidis 

Paying out better for us than 

RD
1      Jack
2      Redmond/K.Fuller
3      Miller/Higgins
4      Schobert  
4      Toner
4      Zettel/Ioannidis

But again, just my point of view on the matter

Jags really heavily depends on FA. If they get Malik Jackson or Von Miller, I could see them targeting Ramsey or Jack. 

[Italian Raven]

6 hours ago, ravensnick said:

Jags really heavily depends on FA. If they get Malik Jackson or Von Miller, I could see them targeting Ramsey or Jack. 

I agree, IF this happens it will push Jacksonville into the direction of Ramsey.

[Italian Raven]

12 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

My main concern with Hargreaves is durability. He's got a very agressive style and put his whole body into each tackle. It's great to see, but can his body hold up for a long time like this?

Another legit concern..his tackling reminds a bit of Stephon Gillmore who dives a lot into his man's body and has a torn labrum. 
However, even though there are some players with upper body injuries (per Vegasinsider.com), we don't know whether those were caused by a lack of proper technique or because they fell badly on the ground while contending for a high thrown ball.
Also, the majority of the CB injuries regard lower body parts (knee ligaments, hamstring), thus parts you don't attempt a tackle with. So, while it's true that his playing style might affect his durability I'm personally not overly concerned.

[trevorsteadman]

19 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

I would also warmly embrace the idea of such a line.. I just find hard to believe that Buckner will get it past the Jags; they may very well use his versatility to put some pressure off Fowler.
So you think SD goes with Bosa and Jack stays put on Ramsey? 

I'm not tryin to convince you guys nor I consider my point of view as the ultimate truth, so don't get me wrong if I keep insisting on this topic, I simply want to show how, either landing a combination of Buck-Thompson or Buck-K.Fuller , Jack-Jackson , Jack-Boyd we're going to lack a real change in our pass-rush.
So, even if I consider it a slight reach due to his lack of effectiveness as a run stopper I think we might end up having a better overall draft outcome and team improvement by taking Spence ahead of Jack.

For instance, I see:
RD 
1     Spence
2     Redmond/K.Fuller
3     Miller/Higgins
4     Matakevich/D.Jones
4     Toner
4     Zettel/Ioannidis 

Paying out better for us than 

RD
1      Jack
2      Redmond/K.Fuller
3      Miller/Higgins
4      Schobert  
4      Toner
4      Zettel/Ioannidis

But again, just my point of view on the matter

Jack is the more athletic one by far. Spence would be playing to need. But honestly inside linebacker is just as important as outside linebacker. And I disagree on them not improving our pass rush. Sure they won't put up 15 sack seasons but that is what Dumervil and Suggs are there for... I would rather go with the most versatile player in the draft who is also the best linebacker in the draft over an outside linebacker who has question marks and is also undersized. Jack can play inside, outside, and slot. I honestly think Suggs returning will be good enough for our pass rush to be better. Za'darius will be a good inside rusher and I see big steps from him in year two. Spence has turned heads at the work outs but I still do not see him as a top 15 talent. And I would rather draft BPA and if Tunsil, Ramsey, and Bosa are gone I would want our card to say Buckner or Jack. 

[January J]

The way I see it panning out as of now is:

1)Tunsil

2)Goff

3)Bosa / Stanley

4)Wentz/Jack/Robinson

5)Ramsey

 

This would put us in an interesting predicament. I find it hard to believe that we would take noah Spence over Buckner but I think if he does well in his interviews it's as real possibility. It's really a coin flip for me..I'd be genuinely excited for either one. I just really don't think the jags pass up Ramsey..too many signs pointing that way- and not just bc he's a Florida kid. Hes been talked about as a top 3 player in the nation..Just don't see anyway he makes it to us unless some crazy unexpected trades were to happen.trading back would be nice (esp one spot to get the same player obviously) but it takes two to tango.

[Italian Raven]

4 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

1- But honestly inside linebacker is just as important as outside linebacker. And I disagree on them not improving our pass rush.
2- I honestly think Suggs returning will be good enough for our pass rush to be better. Za'darius will be a good inside rusher and I see big steps from him in year two.

1- I never stated ILB isn't as important as OLB, just that our OLB is a much bigger need.
That because, answering to '2', I don't think Suggs will ever be back to his old form, but rather turn into a rotational player, just like Doom (who's never been a three down player). We're talking bout a man who weights 260-270 lbs and suffered a second Achilles' tear, that's no joke. That's serious liability.
Thus, at my eyes we can only count on one side of the front seven being really 'checked' and for as much versatile as Jack can be, he ain't no edge rusher, which is what we lack of.