Sam's Pre-FA mock draft

[Italian Raven]

This year I haven't been able to follow draft prospects as much as I used to, but I did a little homework regarding tapes and speculating on our team next year's roster is simply too fun to pass on it.. so here I am
Considering it's just a pre-FA mock I opted for a balanced approach, addressing as many positions as possible while prioritizing the biggest needs (CB, OLB, WR) indicated by the actual roster. We all know free agency will change many cards on the table, we'll cut players (probably D.Smith), either Monroe or KO could not be wearing blacnk&purple in 2016, or even both of them, someone could suffer an off-season injury (like Suggs two years ago); needs will shuffle and this mock will appear much less 
appetizing in few weeks, bust as of now I find such an outcome quite pleasing.
 

1	TEN	Laremy Tunsil	OT
2	CLE	Jared Goff	QB
3	SD	DeForest Buckner	DT
4	DAL	Joey Bosa	DE
5	JAC	Jalen Ramsey	DB
6	BAL	Vernon Hargreaves	CB
7	SF	Myles Jack	ILB
8	MIA	Jaylon Smith	ILB
9	TB	Shaq Lawson	DE
10	NYG	Laquon Treadwell	WR
11	CHI	Reggie Ragland	ILB
12	NO	A’Shawn Robinson	DT
13	PHI	Mackensie Alexander	CB
14	OAK	Robert Nkemdiche	DT
15	LA	Paxton Lynch	QB
16	DET	Ronnie Stanley	OT
17	ATL	Noah Spence	DE
18	IND	Ezekiel Elliott	RB
19	BUF	Jack Conklin	OT
20	NYJ	Kevin Dodd	OLB
21	WAS	Sheldon Rankins	DE
22	HOU	Carson Wentz	QB
23	MIN	Shilique Calhoun	OLB
24	CIN	Maurice Canaday	CB
25	PIT	Eli Apple	CB
26	SEA	Taylor Decker	OT
27	GB	Andrew Billings	DT
28	KC	Corey Coleman	WR
29	ARI	Leonard Floyd	OLB
30	CAR	Michael Thomas	WR
31	DEN	Cody Whitehair	OG

 

RAVENS sum up

RD	Ovr	Player	Role
1	6th	Vernon Hargreaves III	CB
2	36th	Kyler Fackrell	OLB
3	70th	Rashard Higgins	WR
4	105th	Cole Toner	OT
4	131st	Javon Hargrave	DE
4©	134th	Mike Hilton	DB
4©	135th	Nick Kwiatkoski	ILB
5©	178th	Victor Ochi	OLB
6	185th	DeAndre Washington	RB

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Different points of view are always welcomed

[edthehead]

I saw this somewhere,,,,

I really do not think the chargers pass on Bosa,

Edited February 22, 2016 by edthehead

[usmccharles]

I wouldn't be shocked if we ended up with HG3, im not sold on him entirely for that early of a pick, everyone knows im all about Myles Jack.  But overall it this draft would improve us quite a bit

[Italian Raven]

19 minutes ago, edthehead said:

I saw this somewhere,,,,

I really do not think the chargers pass on Bosa,

I made this one on M.Word during the post-season, I eventually fixed a few things since then but it's always been pretty much the same, so don't worry I didn't copy pasted it  
I really like to mock drafts and enjoy the entire post-season developement, using someone else's job wouldn't give me anything.

Yeah it's pretty much between Bosa and Buck at #3.. I just think they have a bigger need inside next to Luiget than outside, but as said, time will tell.

[January J]

I think we can do Much better. Nota huge fan of really any of those guys. But its cool to see somethin diffrent.

[ellicottraven]

I feel if Bosa, Buckner and Ramsey are all gone, they'll select another guy who can help with his coverage skills and front 7 versatility, Myles Jack. I don't see how they pass him up at this time. He'll help in coverate and improve the speed of our LBers overall. Between him and Mosley, we'll have a really young and dynamic corps.

[Italian Raven]

18 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I feel if Bosa, Buckner and Ramsey are all gone, they'll select another guy who can help with his coverage skills and front 7 versatility, Myles Jack. I don't see how they pass him up at this time. He'll help in coverate and improve the speed of our LBers overall. Between him and Mosley, we'll have a really young and dynamic corps.

Jack is also an option there. However I coveted the main positions of need and if we consider the actual roster the ILB depth (D.Smith, CJ, Orr, Brown) isn't too bad to start a season with; on the other hand we have injury pleagued or unproven guys at CB, and the very best corner on board also fits Pees off-man/zone attitude. So, while I'd rather fill that talent gap, I understand what you fans of the Jack pick are saying.

[Italian Raven]

1 hour ago, January J said:

I think we can do Much better. Nota huge fan of really any of those guys. But its cool to see somethin diffrent.

Much better overall because you think there's better talent at the same position left on board (for example you consider Alexander > VH3, Correa > Fackrell, Miller > Higgins) or because you feel some positions would be left unaddressed? How would you rather move?
Also, I'm a Shaq Lawson (prospect) fan but I don't like him as a pick (for our Ravens); so I interpretate that not being "a fan of those guys" as if you're not fan of the picks (which is very legit).. because other way I would ask you what you don't like of their skillsets.

[Jacquouille]

15 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Jack is also an option there. However I coveted the main positions of need and if we consider the actual roster the ILB depth (D.Smith, CJ, Orr, Brown) isn't too bad to start a season with; on the other hand we have injury pleagued or unproven guys at CB, and the very best corner on board also fits Pees off-man/zone attitude. So, while I'd rather fill that talent gap, I understand what you fans of the Jack pick are saying.

See, that's the problem. I don't consider Jack an ILB. He just can do everything and is randomly put as an MLB in UCLA because it's a position that enables it (that's how I see it anyway), but don't consider him an ILB. 

The ceiling is not the same, but he kinda reminds me of Thomas Davis as an OLB, built like a thumper who lays big hits, is able to rush and cover. I'm not sour on Hargreaves but I'm also on the Jack train.

Fackrell in the second is a reach, but I like the Ochi and Hargrave picks in the 4th. Maybe Chris Jones instead of Hargrave if he's there.

[Italian Raven]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

See, that's the problem. I don't consider Jack an ILB. He just can do everything and is randomly put as an MLB in UCLA because it's a position that enables it (that's how I see it anyway), but don't consider him an ILB. 

The ceiling is not the same, but he kinda reminds me of Thomas Davis as an OLB, built like a thumper who lays big hits, is able to rush and cover. I'm not sour on Hargreaves but I'm also on the Jack train.

Fackrell in the second is a reach, but I like the Ochi and Hargrave picks in the 4th. Maybe Chris Jones instead of Hargrave if he's there.

Thing is that he's not a pass rusher.. which is what we badly need.
Pees showed a big lack in creativeness and I don't think drafting a very versatile player solves our specific problem.
I'd rather make it simple and get him the best, functional, guys on board (in this case Fackrell at OLB rather than a MikeLB); Fackrell will definitely surprise people with speed, power and hands strenght, and I'll tell you more, he has a very high cieling both as a pass-rusher and as a cover guy, his hands will also help him a lot when disengaging from blockers in the run game. I'm going as far saying he showed more potential than Dodd and that he could easily be picked in the late first round.
Every year you have some players you hadn't expect to see that early (Demarius Randall, Stephone Anthony, Justin Pugh, Travis Frederick), and the Utah state guy might very well be one of those.

 

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Italian Raven said:

Jack is also an option there. However I coveted the main positions of need and if we consider the actual roster the ILB depth (D.Smith, CJ, Orr, Brown) isn't too bad to start a season with; on the other hand we have injury pleagued or unproven guys at CB, and the very best corner on board also fits Pees off-man/zone attitude. So, while I'd rather fill that talent gap, I understand what you fans of the Jack pick are saying.

Smith probably only has one more year in him, and he's been getting exposed a lot lately. Orr hasn't done much to show he can be a consistent starter. Honestly, all of our ILBs aside from CJ are below average at this point. Mosley is the only actual good one we have. If anything happens to Mosley, the middle of the D is going to be horrible.

[Jacquouille]

I'm not saying you shouldn't take Fackrell. I'm a huge fan of his, but you can get him in the 3rd. In the second you can take either a good WR like Boyd or Doctson, either a good DB like Thompson or WJ3. 

In the 1st round you take BPA, always.  

Edited February 22, 2016 by Jacquouille

[Italian Raven]

24 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Smith probably only has one more year in him, and he's been getting exposed a lot lately. Orr hasn't done much to show he can be a consistent starter. Honestly, all of our ILBs aside from CJ are below average at this point. Mosley is the only actual good one we have. If anything happens to Mosley, the middle of the D is going to be horrible.

 

You're right.. but you can still start a season with that depth.

At CB there's none really healthy (both Webb and Jimmy had troubled seasons and are the only other player who didn't undergo surjery yet is Walker).

So while the need at both positions is quite obvious I see the secondary as a much more glaring one.

However, it's not that I'd start to cry if we end up selecting Jack

[Italian Raven]

21 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm not saying you shouldn't take Fackrell. I'm a huge fan of his, but you can get him in the 3rd. In the second you can take either a good WR like Boyd or Doctson, either a good DB like Thompson or WJ3. 

In the 1st round you take BPA, always.  

 

Yeah I just contested the fact that you were calling him a reach in the early second..I'd be extremely shocked if he falls all the way to the third, honestly.

Also, there's a major drop in talent at OLB after him, while I don't see such a difference between Boyd and Higgins to make me pass on an eventual standout pass-rusher.

What I'd go for, is a general high payoff, until we trim few needs through FA.

[Jacquouille]

3 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

 

Yeah I just contested the fact that you were calling him a reach in the early second..I'd be extremely shocked if he falls all the way to the third, honestly.

Also, there's a major drop in talent at OLB after him, while I don't see such a difference between Boyd and Higgins to make me pass on an eventual standout pass-rusher.

What I'd go for, is a general high payoff, until we trim few needs through FA.

Valid point about the WRs, where we disagree is that there are many talented OLB to be taken later in the draft. You could consider guys like Ngakoue, Jenkins, Ochi or Schobert (not Correa) to have a comparable talent, and I grade all of them as 3-4th rounders. Maybe you disagree on that point, I will admit Fackrell may be my favourite on the list, but I don't see him as a 2nd rounder.

Actually, I think the 2nd may be the worst spot to take an OLB, as I don't see any pass rusher worth it behind Floyd and Dodd. Maybe Calhoun but I'm still hesitant.

[RavensDieHard21]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I wouldn't be shocked if we ended up with HG3, im not sold on him entirely for that early of a pick, everyone knows im all about Myles Jack.  But overall it this draft would improve us quite a bit

If Jack returns to pre-injury form, he's top 5 talent and a legit game changer. His coverage skills, speed, and football IQ are all off the charts. He is perhaps the best all around ILB since Kuechly.

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, January J said:

I think we can do Much better. Nota huge fan of really any of those guys. But its cool to see somethin diffrent.

I said the same thing, especially after taking VH3 at #6 with no trade backs for extra picks.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I feel if Bosa, Buckner and Ramsey are all gone, they'll select another guy who can help with his coverage skills and front 7 versatility, Myles Jack. I don't see how they pass him up at this time. He'll help in coverate and improve the speed of our LBers overall. Between him and Mosley, we'll have a really young and dynamic corps.

I agree 100%, If Tunsil, Buckner, Bosa, and Ramsey are gone, Jack then becomes the safest and most dynamic pick, unless we trust Spence's new direction in life over Jack's re-constructed knee.

[Italian Raven]

34 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Valid point about the WRs, where we disagree is that there are many talented OLB to be taken later in the draft. You could consider guys like Ngakoue, Jenkins, Ochi or Schobert (not Correa) to have a comparable talent, and I grade all of them as 3-4th rounders. Maybe you disagree on that point, I will admit Fackrell may be my favourite on the list, but I don't see him as a 2nd rounder.

Actually, I think the 2nd may be the worst spot to take an OLB, as I don't see any pass rusher worth it behind Floyd and Dodd. Maybe Calhoun but I'm still hesitant.

Yeah let's see how things unfold.. I wouldn't be in love with Jenkins (much more of a WLB in a 4-3 than a 3-4 pass-rusher) but who knows.. 
I'm always very curious about round 3-4 and this year, especially because of the amount of picks we have.
Maybe none of us got it correct and we end up with Bosa or Spence early.  

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

See, that's the problem. I don't consider Jack an ILB. He just can do everything and is randomly put as an MLB in UCLA because it's a position that enables it (that's how I see it anyway), but don't consider him an ILB. 

The ceiling is not the same, but he kinda reminds me of Thomas Davis as an OLB, built like a thumper who lays big hits, is able to rush and cover. I'm not sour on Hargreaves but I'm also on the Jack train.

Fackrell in the second is a reach, but I like the Ochi and Hargrave picks in the 4th. Maybe Chris Jones instead of Hargrave if he's there.

The Thomas Davis comparison is spot on

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

If Jack returns to pre-injury form, he's top 5 talent and a legit game changer. His coverage skills, speed, and football IQ are all off the charts. He is perhaps the best all around ILB since Kuechly.

Yep I agree. He's that rare LB who can run with a WR or TE in coverage down the field. I love him for this team. 

[Italian Raven]

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I said the same thing, especially after taking VH3 at #6 with no trade backs for extra picks.

Thing is I don't like to project trades.. Ravens might even be willing to trade down but that requires two sides to work.. adding speculation to speculation ain't no fun anymore imo.
That's why I stayed put.

Let's assume we really pick VH3 there at #6, how would you guys like the next round to look like?
Because I see a lot of talks bout our first round pick, on every new topic and mock, but almost no time is spent for the other 200 prospecs; I'm honestly interested. 

[RavensDieHard21]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yep I agree. He's that rare LB who can run with a WR or TE in coverage down the field. I love him for this team. 

In Rd 1 I think Ravens fans will be very excited, especially because regardless of the selection scenarios, we will end up with a great pick I feel, whether we get a slider, such as Bosa or Ramsey, or a game changer like Buckner or Jack, they will help this team greatly. I just hope we don't reach and pass up Jack because of an injury issue, unless there is some legit set back on his recovery.  

[RavensDieHard21]

4 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Thing is I don't like to project trades.. Ravens might even be willing to trade down but that requires two sides to work.. adding speculation to speculation ain't no fun anymore imo.
That's why I stayed put.

Let's assume we really pick VH3 there at #6, how would you guys like the next round to look like?
Because I see a lot of talks bout our first round pick, on every new topic and mock, but almost no time is spent for the other 200 prospecs; I'm honestly interested. 

A round one talent will fall to us in the second, it happens every year and I could speculate who that might be, such as Floyd, who I am hoping for since because if he gets his weight up, he is in my opinion, the best pure speed rusher in the draft, maybe tied with Spence. I also think Apple will fall too, he is athletic and aggressive, but his coverage is still in need of work. I think that Ramsey, VH3, Alexander,  and Fuller will all go ahead of him. Whitehair is another gem, he is a runaway top guard who can also play tackle if needed, hence, a back up plan if we don't sign KO and Monroe gets hurt again. Just a few to name, I also like Thompson as well.

[Edgar]

18 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

Thing is I don't like to project trades.. Ravens might even be willing to trade down but that requires two sides to work.. adding speculation to speculation ain't no fun anymore imo.
That's why I stayed put.

Let's assume we really pick VH3 there at #6, how would you guys like the next round to look like?
Because I see a lot of talks bout our first round pick, on every new topic and mock, but almost no time is spent for the other 200 prospecs; I'm honestly interested. 

I like Fackrell but wonder if that's a bit early for him. It may be you think he's gone by our round three selection?

I see Wentz going before we pick which would drop someone to us(no way do I see him going 22). Assuming we took Hargreaves(I would be less than ecstatic to see us pick him at six)......that's tough.

might go; Hargreaves, William Jackson or Darian Thompson(could consider d line, might take a tackle)

 

[January J]

22 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

Mand despetethinthat'sall beawwcaI youpricein ge's bacparticularlyt at t he sa me  p  ositio n left  on board (for example you consider Alexander > VH3, Correa > Fackrell, Miller > Higgins) or because you feel some positions would be left unaddressed? How would you rather move?
Also, I'm a Shaq Lawson (prospect) fan but I don't like him as a pick (for our Ravens); so I interpretate that not being "a fan of those guys" as if you're not fan of the picks (which is very legit).. because other way I would ask you what you don't like of their skillsets.

Honestly its A little bit of both. I dont Think it really addresses our needs Persay  as much as they should, but not necessarily needs as in "positions" ( though thats Debateable) -But i Really dont See any gamechangers that will Transcend Our team. Vh3 is a really good prospect and has a ton of potential, And I dont Know if its just me but i just see Him as a bit  Of a project. Then you got fackrell And higgins Who are also good but kinda just "meh"..when i Think about this Draft for us and how high were picking- we need to come Away with  Atleast 2 (preferably 3) guys that can come in and contribute Right off the bat.We also need that one guy that either brings fear to Opposing players or adds a dynamic that weve Desperately been missing (such as speed on defense ,  a lb that can actually drop Back into coverage, or a playmaker that will create turnovers. To me Those things could be delivered with 4 diffrent guys- Buckner- Spence-Jack- or Ramsey. Any of those picks will give us a much needed Peice And a gamechanger. Thats Assuming bosa and tunsil will be gone as well. I just think vh3 could end up being somewhat of a liability, Particulary With his size.

Edited February 23, 2016 by January J

[Italian Raven]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

I like Fackrell but wonder if that's a bit early for him. It may be you think he's gone by our round three selection?

I see Wentz going before we pick which would drop someone to us(no way do I see him going 22). Assuming we took Hargreaves(I would be less than ecstatic to see us pick him at six)......that's tough.

might go; Hargreaves, William Jackson or Darian Thompson(could consider d line, might take a tackle)

 

Yes, Fackrell falling to the 3rd round would shock me almost as much as Jarret into the 5th.
I believe he's truly underrated from a media/fans standpoint and that there's quite a difference between him (in the Calhoun class) and any other OLB who'll be drafted later.
CB and OLB are our biggest areas of concerns imo and while there are still some day 2-3 corners capable of making a decent impact and possibly developing in something more (that's why I wouldn't necessarily mind if we pass on VH3 for any Jack, Buckner or Tunsil), I'm afraid there's no pass-rusher in day 3 who could eventually step in and fill Doom or Suggs shoes whether one of them goes down with an injury. 
Correa, Schobert, Striker, all look fine as rotational guys but can they, in the long run, provide us something more than just 3rd down players? 

Who do you think will nab Wenz? The Boys? Or someone else by trading up?

[Italian Raven]

23 minutes ago, January J said:

Honestly its A little bit of both. I dont Think it really addresses our needs Persay  as much as they should, but not necessarily needs as in "positions" ( though thats Debateable) -But i Really dont See any gamechangers that will Transcend Our team. Vh3 is a really good prospect and has a ton of potential, And I dont Know if its just me but i just see Him as a bit  Of a project. Then you got fackrell And higgins Who are also good but kinda just "meh"..when i Think about this Draft for us and how high were picking- we need to come Away with  Atleast 2 (preferably 3) guys that can come in and contribute Right off the bat.We also need that one guy that either brings fear to Opposing players or adds a dynamic that weve Desperately been missing (such as speed on defense ,  a lb that can actually drop Back into coverage, or a playmaker that will create turnovers. To me Those things could be delivered with 4 diffrent guys- Buckner- Spence-Jack- or Ramsey. Any of those picks will give us a much needed Peice And a gamechanger. Thats Assuming bosa and tunsil will be gone as well. I just think vh3 could end up being somewhat of a liability, Particulary With his size.

Higgins is a pretty complete WR in my eyes, and could easily play inside or outside; for the few tapes I was able to check he proved to be quite suddenn in his route running and even though he won't be a go-to receiver à-la-Perriman he can get separation early and get some YAC.
I also see Fackrell as someone who can "contribute right off the bat" if needed; he definitely must to add some pass rushing moves but his counters and jerks show he has a very, very good base to begin with.
So, considering my mock, hence those top 5 picks as locks with no Buck nor Ramsey left on board, would you rather take Spence or Jack over VH3?
Also, who would you take in the later rounds?
 

[Edgar]

20 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Yes, Fackrell falling to the 3rd round would shock me almost as much as Jarret into the 5th.
I believe he's truly underrated from a media/fans standpoint and that there's quite a difference between him (in the Calhoun class) and any other OLB who'll be drafted later.
CB and OLB are our biggest areas of concerns imo and while there are still some day 2-3 corners capable of making a decent impact and possibly developing in something more (that's why I wouldn't necessarily mind if we pass on VH3 for any Jack, Buckner or Tunsil), I'm afraid there's no pass-rusher in day 3 who could eventually step in and fill Doom or Suggs shoes whether one of them goes down with an injury. 
Correa, Schobert, Striker, all look fine as rotational guys but can they, in the long run, provide us something more than just 3rd down players? 

Who do you think will nab Wenz? The Boys? Or someone else by trading up?

I think the Cowboys would be crazy not to. It's possible the Browns like him but I could see several teams trading up for him.

I have a much bigger problem with Hargreaves if Jack and Spence are on the board or even more so if Wentz is gone pushing Bosa and Ramsey as suggested in your mock. 

 

[January J]

21 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Jht hinknkstHiJdon't is a premayplete WR in   m yjustse s , apounasily  play inside or out side; for t he few tapes I was able to check he proved to be quite suddenn in his route running and even though he won't be a go-to reactuaeiver à-la-Perriman he can get separ ation early and get some YAC.
I also see Fackrell as someone who can "contribute right off the bat" if needed; he definitely must to add some pass rushing moves but his counters and jerks show he has a very, very good base to begin with.
So, considering my mock, hence those top 5 picks as locks with no Buck nor Ramsey left on board, would you rather take Spence or Jack over VH3?
Also, who would you take in the later rounds?
 

I would most definitely take spence or jack Over vh3. Spence could possibly end up as the best rusher in this class, and with bisciotti Pounding on the table for a rusher i Just think all signs are pointing that way, and we are in prime position for him at 6..his stock is steadily increasin and soon he wont be looked at as a reach. And thats just goiing off your scenario, bc i dont Necessarily think it will pan out that way either. I think buckner May still be there- and in that Case i Think we may have to take him. Not a direct need but cantys on the way out, and hes probably the BPA at that point. A line of Buckner- Bwilliams- Jernigan is too good to pass up. In the 2nd i think we need to go after a guy like thompson, apple, or fuller. Higgins I Actually dont Really have a problem with and i Think he could fit here. So like i said i dont completely hate it, And respectfully I think we could do better. And i think Thats just mainly based off the First two picks.