[News] Eisenberg: Impact Of Joe Flacco's Contract Has Been Overrated Until Now

[BR News]

The franchise quarterback's contract will officially become an issue if his cap hit isn't decreased.

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[DeeUSMC]

Ozzie should be trying to restructure Webb,Joe, and Monroe. To keep KO.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

If no deal gets done, I think it will be due to the inability to retain certain key players, even should a restructured contract to be had. Ozzie must surely be aware of the benefit to keep Joe's contract as is, where there becomes more pressure to perform towards the end of the contract. That should result in a better Joe Flacco, hopefully above average. Restructuring a new contract would diminish this pressure to some degree. I also think it's more likely at this point that a lot of faces will be leaving this offseason and the draft used to get younger and working with the little cap room available.

[Black&purple#55]

Ozzie should be trying to restructure Webb,Joe, and Monroe. To keep KO.

agree, not sure why its taking this long

[Minionhunter]

I almost hope they eat it this year because next year they will be in so much better a position to negotiate than this year it might be worth it. Even though they never would cut him the threat of cutting him this year would be laughed at by Linta who's only money ticket is Joe. Next year Linta would have to take the threat seriously due to the tremendous cap savings it would generate. Linta calling Ozzie dumb is a problem.

[billiejean]

3 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I almost hope they eat it this year because next year they will be in so much better a position to negotiate than this year it might be worth it. Even though they never would cut him the threat of cutting him this year would be laughed at by Linta who's only money ticket is Joe. Next year Linta would have to take the threat seriously due to the tremendous cap savings it would generate. Linta calling Ozzie dumb is a problem.

The likelihood of us cutting joe this year is exactly the same as it would be next year. it not going to happen no matter how much the team would save. Linta would never take that threat seriously. If for some outlandish reason we did cut Joe, he would be scooped up right away and Linta would be able to take the highest bidder.

Edited February 20, 2016 by billiejean

[TheConquerorWorm]

  4 hours ago, DeeUSMC said:

Ozzie should be trying to restructure Webb,Joe, and Monroe. To keep KO.

agree, not sure why its taking this long

It happens every year. Just like they did when Ray Lewis was a Free Agent, they will let the other teams set the market on KO and then either give him a better deal (like Ray Lewis) or let him go depending on what offers are out there. As for restructure, extensions, that usually happens after the combine every year - Suggs, Pitta, etc.

[Jfravens]

Joe is the best, And im so exited Frazier is now a raven, I wanted him 2 seasons ago.

[purpledown]

if Flaccos contract is not done it may effect Harbaughs future here, The owner will not stand for another bad season.

[harfordravenfan]

1 minute ago, purpledown said:

if Flaccos contract is not done it may effect Harbaughs future here, tbsThe owner will not stand for another bad season.

Have to disagree, IMO if we had another 5-11 season, I think harbs job is still very safe

[purpledown]

we dont need Ngata

[Space11jams]

if Flaccos contract is not done it may effect Harbaughs future here, The owner will not stand for another bad season.

john has nothing to do with contracts....he's a HC...not a GM....even still our issue was injuries.....Harbs got the most out of his players even with a losing season....that's saying something

[JamesA119]

if Flaccos contract is not done it may effect Harbaughs future here, The owner will not stand for another bad season.

Really? I'd like to have what you are drinking.

[b93333]

Joe may or may not mean what he says about wanting to win... I assume he does; the problem will be Linta who wants to rub the FO's noses in it.

[ellicottraven]

Well, if Linta's greed gets in the way given that Joe is his bread and butter, then we may as well count out a successful 2016 season. While we'll have enough money to keep Joe at his cap number, we will have to cut productive players to create cap room even if it means only to pay our draft picks. That is the kind of pickle Joe's astronomical cap charge will put us in. Hopefully, Joe shows some courage in reigning in his agent and put him in his place. Only time'll tell what happens, but if you ask me if Joe really wants to make it happen, it should happen!

[edthehead]

  1 hour ago, purpledown said:

if Flaccos contract is not done it may effect Harbaughs future here, tbsThe owner will not stand for another bad season.

Have to disagree, IMO if we had another 5-11 season, I think harbs job is still very safe

it should't be,
he should be on the hot seat going into the season,
why was pees kept, and how much rope will he be given .

[ellicottraven]

Ozzie should be trying to restructure Webb,Joe, and Monroe. To keep KO.

KO is going to test the open market and when he does, it won't matter who we restructure, KO'll be gone.

[Saxxin]

We all know this is a non story, filler. The deal will get done. Both sides want it.

[Halshayeji]

10 hours ago, edthehead said:

it should't be,
he should be on the hot seat going into the season,
why was pees kept, and how much rope will he be given .

I think he already is on a little bit of a hot seat because our FO wont accept missing the playoffs 3 out of 4 years. Pees on the other hand, his seat is literally on fire! Hes gonna get rocks thrown at him the minute this D slips up a bit. Regardless of our overall record, Pees needs to be top 10 in every meaningful statistical category a D can be in (red zone, 3rd down, total yards, takeaways). We also need to see some value in players that were drafted so high. Elam, Brooks, A.Brown, T.Walker, and W.Davis for him to work with. 

 

Last year and the year before we gave Pees the excuse of his starters, (Webb, J.Smith) were injured and the backups were a bunch of 6th and 7th rounders that probably wont make a roster if they were cut. Unfortunately the guys that left played better with their new teams and the guys that came played much worse that they did with their former teams (Arrington, Lewis)This year Pees has 3 quality starters when you include HIll in the secondary and a litter of great raw talent. If you cant make something out of them then its on you Pees.

Arrington:- never was a big fan but he played much better with the Patriots as slot CB

Lewis:- Never was a big fan but he played much better as a Cheif and a Texan

Elam:- !st round. I'm not asking to make him a pro bowler but for gods sake put him in a position to at least help not hurt the team.

T.Walker:- 4th rounder

W.Davis:- 3rd rounder

Brooks:- 3rd rounder

2016 Draft and FA:- Unknown but you know some talent will be added 

If pees cant find 1 starter and above average depth from these guys then he never will. I hate to throw this out there but all Pees has proven since Ed Reed left is that Ed was right to ignore his calls and pull the secondary strings on his own. 

[ravenwildman]

I predict that this will be a non issue by OTA's. I think everyone will work things out before then. GO RAVENS!

[Halshayeji]

19 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I almost hope they eat it this year because next year they will be in so much better a position to negotiate than this year it might be worth it. Even though they never would cut him the threat of cutting him this year would be laughed at by Linta who's only money ticket is Joe. Next year Linta would have to take the threat seriously due to the tremendous cap savings it would generate. Linta calling Ozzie dumb is a problem.

 

16 hours ago, billiejean said:

The likelihood of us cutting joe this year is exactly the same as it would be next year. it not going to happen no matter how much the team would save. Linta would never take that threat seriously. If for some outlandish reason we did cut Joe, he would be scooped up right away and Linta would be able to take the highest bidder.

There is absolutely no way Flacco gets cut. A more realistic scenario would be to trade him. Jay Cutler was traded for two 1st round picks and a 3rd rounder just a few years ago. Flacco would at least land us a first rounder and some pocket change if we had to put him on the block.

I'm assuming what hunter is trying to imply is that it makes no financial sense whatso ever to the ravens to even think of moving on from Joe this year. 3 mil in savings wont bring us a franchise quarterback unless we draft Goff and bluff Linta for real. Next year on the other hand is a whole different story.

Just stay with me and youl see how much leverage Linta loses in one short year if the Ravens make that same proposal of Trading him away to the highest bidder. 

1- Joe will be a year older.

2- The Ravens open up 15mil in 2017 and 20mil in 2018 to move on to whatever QB they like.

3- The Raven get some value in return. and can make sure he doesn't go to a contender. 

4- Flacco has to honor the remaining two years 20mil each on his deal (non guaranteed)

5- If Flacco gets hurt or underperforms with his new team he gets close to nothing as a 34 year old FA about to turn 35.

If i was one of Flacco's advisers, I'd advise him to stop hard balling the Ravens and take what they give you now. Make up the difference in escalators and endorsements in Baltimore where you already have a nice brand. If you sign now, the Ravens build a team and future plans all around you. If you wait till next year, the Ravens in the meantime will have a plan for the next five year without you in the picture.

The last 10 guys that hard balled the Ravens all lost in the big picture. Dont be #11! You wanna be here and the Ravens want you here. GET IT DONE!

 

[EliteRavens]

Just restructure for the team Joe

[Wisdom]

20 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I almost hope they eat it this year because next year they will be in so much better a position to negotiate than this year it might be worth it. Even though they never would cut him the threat of cutting him this year would be laughed at by Linta who's only money ticket is Joe. Next year Linta would have to take the threat seriously due to the tremendous cap savings it would generate. Linta calling Ozzie dumb is a problem.

Linta didn’t called Ozzie dumb, he said the Ravens were dumb for not extending Flacco before 2012 season.  In hindsight were they?  Some have said “yes” but not for the reasons identified by Linta.    At the end of the day, regardless of how I feel about it and the simple fact that I thought and still think it’s one of the dumbest contract the Ravens have ever issued to an average, mediocre player.

[Minionhunter]

  20 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I almost hope they eat it this year because next year they will be in so much better a position to negotiate than this year it might be worth it. Even though they never would cut him the threat of cutting him this year would be laughed at by Linta who's only money ticket is Joe. Next year Linta would have to take the threat seriously due to the tremendous cap savings it would generate. Linta calling Ozzie dumb is a problem.

 

  17 hours ago, billiejean said:

The likelihood of us cutting joe this year is exactly the same as it would be next year. it not going to happen no matter how much the team would save. Linta would never take that threat seriously. If for some outlandish reason we did cut Joe, he would be scooped up right away and Linta would be able to take the highest bidder.

There is absolutely no way Flacco gets cut. A more realistic scenario would be to trade him. Jay Cutler was traded for two 1st round picks and a 3rd rounder just a few years ago. Flacco would at least land us a first rounder and some pocket change if we had to put him on the block.

I'm assuming what hunter is trying to imply is that it makes no financial sense whatso ever to the ravens to even think of moving on from Joe this year. 3 mil in savings wont bring us a franchise quarterback unless we draft Goff and bluff Linta for real. Next year on the other hand is a whole different story.

Just stay with me and youl see how much leverage Linta loses in one short year if the Ravens make that same proposal of Trading him away to the highest bidder. 

1- Joe will be a year older.

2- The Ravens open up 15mil in 2017 and 20mil in 2018 to move on to whatever QB they like.

3- The Raven get some value in return. and can make sure he doesn't go to a contender. 

4- Flacco has to honor the remaining two years 20mil each on his deal (non guaranteed)

5- If Flacco gets hurt or underperforms with his new team he gets close to nothing as a 34 year old FA about to turn 35.

If i was one of Flacco's advisers, I'd advise him to stop hard balling the Ravens and take what they give you now. Make up the difference in escalators and endorsements in Baltimore where you already have a nice brand. If you sign now, the Ravens build a team and future plans all around you. If you wait till next year, the Ravens in the meantime will have a plan for the next five year without you in the picture.

The last 10 guys that hard balled the Ravens all lost in the big picture. Dont be #11! You wanna be here and the Ravens want you here. GET IT DONE!

 

Yes, Halshayeji more or less spelled out what I'm thinking. Linta has the upper ground this year, the Ravens will have retaken it if they wait till next year (barring a run like Joe had to the superbowl, AND that might be just what they want). Also I would add that the Ravens are not stupid in managing the cap, if they did this there was a main plan and several back up contingency plans for exactly what is happening now.

[Wisdom]

12 hours ago, b93333 said:

Joe may or may not mean what he says about wanting to win... I assume he does; the problem will be Linta who wants to rub the FO's noses in it.

Doesn’t Linta work for Flacco?  Is it not his job to represent and execute the will of his client?  If there is a problem, it will be both Flacco and Linta.

[ellicottraven]

I almost hope they eat it this year because next year they will be in so much better a position to negotiate than this year it might be worth it. Even though they never would cut him the threat of cutting him this year would be laughed at by Linta who's only money ticket is Joe. Next year Linta would have to take the threat seriously due to the tremendous cap savings it would generate. Linta calling Ozzie dumb is a problem.

It is ludicrous to cut Joe this year. There is absolutely nothing to be gained period. If the Ravens don't negotiate with Joe this year, it will be only to assure themselves that he's healthy enough to play long term given the severe ACL/MCL tears on his knee. They'll take a lesson out of Pitta's situation and play safe. Also, like someone said, they'll have more leverage next year to re-negotiate Joe's contract because his cap number will be a laughable 34MM. At that point if Linta wants to gamble with his only meal ticket, he's going to be in trouble. Also, I believe with another year in the books, Joe's performance metrics will be cemented as to his production which in turn will give the Ravens a little more leverage in negotiating a fair deal perhaps in 16-18MM a year range. But, let's wait and see what happens. One thing I do know is this. If Joe's contract is unaltered this year, I frankly don't see a successful year in 2016.

[FlaccoIsMyQuarterback5]

  21 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I almost hope they eat it this year because next year they will be in so much better a position to negotiate than this year it might be worth it. Even though they never would cut him the threat of cutting him this year would be laughed at by Linta who's only money ticket is Joe. Next year Linta would have to take the threat seriously due to the tremendous cap savings it would generate. Linta calling Ozzie dumb is a problem.

Linta didn’t called Ozzie dumb, he said the Ravens were dumb for not extending Flacco before 2012 season.  In hindsight were they?  Some have said “yes” but not for the reasons identified by Linta.    At the end of the day, regardless of how I feel about it and the simple fact that I thought and still think it’s one of the dumbest contract the Ravens have ever issued to an average, mediocre player.

Flacco? Average? Mediocre? You cannot be a true Ravens fan. Leave immediately. You must be a Kyle Boller lover.

[FlaccoIsMyQuarterback5]

  13 hours ago, edthehead said:

it should't be,
he should be on the hot seat going into the season,
why was pees kept, and how much rope will he be given .

I think he already is on a little bit of a hot seat because our FO wont accept missing the playoffs 3 out of 4 years. Pees on the other hand, his seat is literally on fire! Hes gonna get rocks thrown at him the minute this D slips up a bit. Regardless of our overall record, Pees needs to be top 10 in every meaningful statistical category a D can be in (red zone, 3rd down, total yards, takeaways). We also need to see some value in players that were drafted so high. Elam, Brooks, A.Brown, T.Walker, and W.Davis for him to work with. 

 

Last year and the year before we gave Pees the excuse of his starters, (Webb, J.Smith) were injured and the backups were a bunch of 6th and 7th rounders that probably wont make a roster if they were cut. Unfortunately the guys that left played better with their new teams and the guys that came played much worse that they did with their former teams (Arrington, Lewis)This year Pees has 3 quality starters when you include HIll in the secondary and a litter of great raw talent. If you cant make something out of them then its on you Pees.

Arrington:- never was a big fan but he played much better with the Patriots as slot CB

Lewis:- Never was a big fan but he played much better as a Cheif and a Texan

Elam:- !st round. I'm not asking to make him a pro bowler but for gods sake put him in a position to at least help not hurt the team.

T.Walker:- 4th rounder

W.Davis:- 3rd rounder

Brooks:- 3rd rounder

2016 Draft and FA:- Unknown but you know some talent will be added 

If pees cant find 1 starter and above average depth from these guys then he never will. I hate to throw this out there but all Pees has proven since Ed Reed left is that Ed was right to ignore his calls and pull the secondary strings on his own. 

In two consecutive seasons, the defense has finished in the top ten twice overall under Pees.

[JacktheRaven]

I still think Joe's contract is overrated. Media & fans think that teams buy their way, with FOs, to win games. They also think we lose games because we lost players to FO, because of cap restraints. There is no proof that either of these scenarios are true. Ravens let a lot of players walk. They, ( Ngata, Jones, Grubbs, Torrey,Boldin, etc) are on a list of worst cap hits per production. A lot of fans think Ravens would win more games if they still had these players.Truth is, Ravens won't let a player go, if they truly want them. And, that list is small.

[Matty G]

  21 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I almost hope they eat it this year because next year they will be in so much better a position to negotiate than this year it might be worth it. Even though they never would cut him the threat of cutting him this year would be laughed at by Linta who's only money ticket is Joe. Next year Linta would have to take the threat seriously due to the tremendous cap savings it would generate. Linta calling Ozzie dumb is a problem.

It is ludicrous to cut Joe this year. There is absolutely nothing to be gained period. If the Ravens don't negotiate with Joe this year, it will be only to assure themselves that he's healthy enough to play long term given the severe ACL/MCL tears on his knee. They'll take a lesson out of Pitta's situation and play safe. Also, like someone said, they'll have more leverage next year to re-negotiate Joe's contract because his cap number will be a laughable 34MM. At that point if Linta wants to gamble with his only meal ticket, he's going to be in trouble. Also, I believe with another year in the books, Joe's performance metrics will be cemented as to his production which in turn will give the Ravens a little more leverage in negotiating a fair deal perhaps in 16-18MM a year range. But, let's wait and see what happens. One thing I do know is this. If Joe's contract is unaltered this year, I frankly don't see a successful year in 2016.

Yea, I really don't hope they don't restructure Joes contract this year due to Joe having all the leverage once again. I think in years to come, fans and management alike will look back and be glad they didn't restructure. Doing it this year just pushes the money down the road once again and I believe Biscotti wants that to change. I noticed Yanda and Jimmie didn't get back loaded contracts. Maybe it is Biscotti who is now keeping a closer eye on how these contracts are formed. Also, even with a Joe restructure this year I don't see how the Ravens are competitive. I think we are at least two years out from becoming a super bowl contender. I would rather them not sacrifice the future and look at 2016 as a rebuilding year. Can't win em all!