Nick Boyle suspended 10 games

[ravensdfan]

So much for our fantastic TE group. Cut him. Already was suspended for this same thing last season. Apparently isn't going to learn.

[RavensFanMania]

48 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Well add Randy Gregory to that list of the 4 game variety

This is reason he fell in the draft and teams didn't draft him until the Cowboys took the chance at the end of the 2nd. 

[Purple_Polo89]

This is just a thought but the Rams cut Jared Cook, any chance we kick the tires on him? 

[B-more Ravor]

1 minute ago, Purple_Polo89 said:

This is just a thought but the Rams cut Jared Cook, any chance we kick the tires on him? 

No, older and overrated.  They need a TE to be part of the mix, not a guy expecting to be the man. Cook, even at a rebate, is going to cost more than what they'll want to pay.  

Boyle loses $308K in salary and the Ravens get a credit of $308K against the Cap due to the suspension (nothing like pissing away 300K!) so that's a bit of s silver lining, but it likely means that they now have to spend one of their draft picks on a TE (which they would not have otherwise done).

[Edgar]

Cheater.

needs to be cut.

[redrum52]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not really a fair comparison, considering in order to be banned for a year for marijuana, you need to test positive I believe at least 6-7 times. You've basically earned what you've gotten with that kind of stupidity.

For what its worth, in order to be suspended 10 games for PEDs, you needed to have tested positive at least 3 times I believe.

Ok.  Didn't realize that.  Isn't this only Boyles 2nd time tho?

[Purple_Polo89]

6 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

No, older and overrated.  They need a TE to be part of the mix, not a guy expecting to be the man. Cook, even at a rebate, is going to cost more than what they'll want to pay.  

Boyle loses $308K in salary and the Ravens get a credit of $308K against the Cap due to the suspension (nothing like pissing away 300K!) so that's a bit of s silver lining, but it likely means that they now have to spend one of their draft picks on a TE (which they would not have otherwise done).

Like I said just a thought lol. You know how Ozzy is, and a move like this would be right up his ally. I know we might have to draft a TE but I'd much rather us go the free agent vet route. I know Gilmore is a beast at blocking but I'd like to see more of him on the move and catching the long ball from Flacco (along with Maxx), and a vet would come in for blocking and the occasional 3rd down.

[rmw10]

14 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

No, older and overrated.  They need a TE to be part of the mix, not a guy expecting to be the man. Cook, even at a rebate, is going to cost more than what they'll want to pay.  

Boyle loses $308K in salary and the Ravens get a credit of $308K against the Cap due to the suspension (nothing like pissing away 300K!) so that's a bit of s silver lining, but it likely means that they now have to spend one of their draft picks on a TE (which they would not have otherwise done).

Assuming he's re-signed on a cheap deal, I wouldn't overlook Chase Ford as the 3rd TE.

[B-more Ravor]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Assuming he's re-signed on a cheap deal, I wouldn't overlook Chase Ford as the 3rd TE.

Yes, certainly an option after being non-tendered as a RFA, but hard to tell after his ~5 days on the active roster before going on IR.?

[Tank 92]

17 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Ok.  Didn't realize that.  Isn't this only Boyles 2nd time tho?

Second offense - 10 games.  Third, two year suspension.

[B-more Ravor]

4 minutes ago, Purple_Polo89 said:

Like I said just a thought lol. You know how Ozzy is, and a move like this would be right up his ally. I know we might have to draft a TE but I'd much rather us go the free agent vet route. I know Gilmore is a beast at blocking but I'd like to see more of him on the move and catching the long ball from Flacco (along with Maxx), and a vet would come in for blocking and the occasional 3rd down.

Fair enough, but I don't think blocking is really Cook's strong suit. He's a pass catching TE first and foremost. Give their Cap constraints, I just think he will still demand more than they will be wiling to pay.

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

Yes, certainly an option after being non-tendered as a RFA, but hard to tell after his ~5 days on the active roster before going on IR.?

Just making an assumption that we like him lol.  We had all 3 guys doing well and probably could have used depth elsewhere, but we opted for a 4th TE, even if he didn't last long before going on IR.  I imagine that if they had known Konrad Reuland and Richard Gordon would be the #2 and #3 tight ends just a couple of weeks later, they would have just kept for off of IR haha.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Moving ahead with Crockett and Maxx next season and possibly Pitta if he heals up.

[Purple_Polo89]

3 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

Fair enough, but I don't think blocking is really Cook's strong suit. He's a pass catching TE first and foremost. Give their Cap constraints, I just think he will still demand more than they will be wiling to pay.

Totally agree I'm juts hoping for someone either a practice squad guy or a vet thats know whats up and doesn't mind doing the dirty work

[B-more Ravor]

23 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Ok.  Didn't realize that.  Isn't this only Boyles 2nd time tho?

FWIW, The PED rules require an immediate suspension, whereas the drug policy requires 4 failed tests before a suspension.  Both are an initial 4-game suspension at that point.

[JO_75]

I can see why people are saying to cut him. First suspension was December 7th, 2015. Today is February 19th, 2016. He couldn't contain himself for not even 5 months, let alone 3 months. Just two months later gets suspended again, is that someone we can count on going forward? I would say cut him, second suspension in less than 3 months tells me it's going to be a problem going forward. 

Find a new TE in the draft or we can hope Pitta is cleared and go with Pitta/Gilmore/Williams for 2016.

[B-more Ravor]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Just making an assumption that we like him lol.  We had all 3 guys doing well and probably could have used depth elsewhere, but we opted for a 4th TE, even if he didn't last long before going on IR.  I imagine that if they had known Konrad Reuland and Richard Gordon would be the #2 and #3 tight ends just a couple of weeks later, they would have just kept for off of IR haha.

Oh, no doubt. Was just enjoying the laugh of making ~$300k for being on the roster for 5 days (understanding that these guys work their azzes off year round to get the chance).

Good point about Reuland and Gordon - either is probably a recent candidate to fill the #3.

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

I can see why people are saying to cut him. First suspension was December 7th, 2015. Today is February 19th, 2016. He couldn't contain himself for not even 5 months, let alone 3 months. Just two months later gets suspended again, is that someone we can count on going forward? I would say cut him, second suspension in less than 3 months tells me it's going to be a problem going forward. 

Find a new TE in the draft or we can hope Pitta is cleared and go with Pitta/Gilmore/Williams for 2016.

Dates they were suspended aren't always dates they were caught.  We all know the NFL likes to wait forever to announce suspensions (see: Brady, Tom).  Still not a good look to get caught twice in one season, but it's not like Boyle was caught yesterday.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Dates they were suspended aren't always dates they were caught.  We all know the NFL likes to wait forever to announce suspensions (see: Brady, Tom).  Still not a good look to get caught twice in one season, but it's not like Boyle was caught yesterday.

I'm wondering about the timeline on all this mess. Guessing that positive test isn't enough and requires confirmation, which would eat more time as well but whichever way and whenever it happened, you have to question his sanity to get caught twice during same season.

[edthehead]

chris canty on PFT said(about randy gregory) 

it takes at least 4 failed test to get a 4 game suspension  

so dang, what did Boyle have, 

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, edthehead said:

chris canty on PFT said(about randy gregory) 

it takes at least 4 failed test to get a 4 game suspension  

so dang, what did Boyle have, 

PEDs and Substance Abuse have different policies. Boyle has 2. 

[Gordo52]

Shame. Good thing we have Gilmore & Maxx, though.

 

Hope he stays in shape and gets his head straight

[Wildabeast88]

1 hour ago, Purple_Polo89 said:

This is just a thought but the Rams cut Jared Cook, any chance we kick the tires on him? 

No he is done production fell off significantly I can't see it someone young and cheap more than likely unless omehow Pitta comes back which I don't really see 

[ravensdfan]

2 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

No he is done production fell off significantly I can't see it someone young and cheap more than likely unless omehow Pitta comes back which I don't really see 

Pitta is really pushing to come back it seems. If he decides to go against a doctor's advice about playing again I wonder if the FO would go along with that decision.

[1/28/01]

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                   - Nick

[sflegend89]

People seem to forget how well Maxx was playing at the end of the season. Kid had a very solid game in the season finale against Cincy and made some tough catches that impressed me. Maxx was the youngest player on our entire team last year, in many people's eyes he declared a year early (RS Sophomore) and would've in all likelihood been a 1st round pick this year if he stayed for his Junior season at Minnesota. We got a steal because of the fact that he declared early and got to give him a year in our system already.

To me Maxx and Crockett were our money duo all along, Boyle is over a year older than Maxx. Sure he adjusted to the NFL faster, he was more physically/mentally mature and also getting some PED help that gave him an advantage. I still think Maxx has the higher ceiling and is the more talented player. Crockett has a chance to jump into that upper echelon TE level in 2016, I think Maxx is the perfect Robin to his Batman. They just have to stay on the field, injury bug was an issue with that group last year.

 

[gtalk12]

18 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

TE was not a position of need for us this draft, does that change now?  This actually gives Pitta some leverage if he's actually cleared. SMH!

 

We still have Maxx Williams and Gilmore....we are going to be alright

[Moderator 3]

3 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

 

We still have Maxx Williams and Gilmore....we are going to be alright

And 4 other TEs we've never really seen in action.

[52520Andrew]

23 hours ago, ant2ney said:

Oh well, It's been a while since we signed or cut Phillip Supernaw 

On the Titans sadly, name value was so worth keeping him around lol

[52520Andrew]

Nothing much to add on Boyle. Dumb. Dumber to cut a young TE who saves us next to nothing on the cap either though.