[News] Late For Work 2/19: Mel Kiper Has Ravens Drafting Joey Bosa At No. 6

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[757RavensFan]

Mel Kiper is more wrong than right when it comes to his mock drafts.  Gotta love the local guy, but yeah I don't see Bosa falling to us.  

Edited February 19, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[trevorsteadman]

I don't see Bosa falling to us at 6 but I think a lot of us didn't see Leonard Williams falling last draft so it wouldn't be crazy if he did either. I almost think it is less of a possibility for Ramsey to fall to us. I can see teams in front of us taking the higher ceiling guys like Buckner ahead of us or Myles Jack that would drop Bosa. I still think he is probably the best pass rusher in the draft, and him with Suggs and Dumervil next year, with Jimmy Smith, Shareece Wright, Will Hill, and Brandon Williams.... If we get a better ballhawk safety and a decent nickel corner then that defense COULD be insane.

[The Greek]

something about bosa scares me but if we draft him i hope i am wrong and he has a beast of a career with us

[20306cab]

The Clevelands draft another QB. What is that , like ten in the last 12 years. That is the most pathetic organization in the history of Pro sports. And their pathetic fans deserve it!

[billiejean]

something about bosa scares me but if we draft him i hope i am wrong and he has a beast of a career with us

i concur. His lack of explosion and stiff hips worry me. Especially if he is playing at OLB

[jravens13]

39 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I don't see Bosa falling to us at 6 but I think a lot of us didn't see Leonard Williams falling last draft so it wouldn't be crazy if he did either. I almost think it is less of a possibility for Ramsey to fall to us. I can see teams in front of us taking the higher ceiling guys like Buckner ahead of us or Myles Jack that would drop Bosa. I still think he is probably the best pass rusher in the draft, and him with Suggs and Dumervil next year, with Jimmy Smith, Shareece Wright, Will Hill, and Brandon Williams.... If we get a better ballhawk safety and a decent nickel corner then that defense COULD be insane.

We are not close to being a top defense. But a good corner, and another pass rusher would definitely help bridge the gap. I would love Bosa, but I don't think it will come true. I would rather take Veron Hargraves, who will be a great CB, over Jalen Ramsey who will play Safety in the NFL. Buckner comes with a huge risk, as Oregon players have a poor track record in the NFL. Although he has a huge frame, I do not think he is explosive enough to really contribute as a pass rusher in the NFL. He is also a 3-4 DE, which has much less of an impact on the defense compared to an OLB or CB. Jaylon Smith is worth waiting for the recovery IMO. He might be the best defensive player in this draft. 

Edited February 19, 2016 by jravens13

[edthehead]

melle mel kiper
has fallen and bumped his head,
Baltimore's best,,,, lol

[ellicottraven]

These draftniks change their picks like underwear! Over the course of time through the draft, they still manage to get the picks wrong! Having said that, this time around, I want Kiper Jr. to be on the money for obvious reasons.

[birdseye]

  35 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I don't see Bosa falling to us at 6 but I think a lot of us didn't see Leonard Williams falling last draft so it wouldn't be crazy if he did either. I almost think it is less of a possibility for Ramsey to fall to us. I can see teams in front of us taking the higher ceiling guys like Buckner ahead of us or Myles Jack that would drop Bosa. I still think he is probably the best pass rusher in the draft, and him with Suggs and Dumervil next year, with Jimmy Smith, Shareece Wright, Will Hill, and Brandon Williams.... If we get a better ballhawk safety and a decent nickel corner then that defense COULD be insane.

We are not close to being a top defense. But a good corner, and another pass rusher would definitely help bridge the gap. I would love Bosa, but I don't think it will come true. I would rather take Veron Hargraves, who will be a great CB, over Jalen Ramsey who will play Safety in the NFL. Buckner comes with a huge risk, as Oregon players have a poor track record in the NFL. Although he has a huge frame, I do not think he is explosive enough to really contribute as a pass rusher in the NFL. He is also a 3-4 DE, which has much less of an impact on the defense compared to an OLB or CB. Jaylon Smith is worth waiting for the recovery IMO.

I agree that Jaylon Smith would be worth the wait... however its unfair to say Buckner comes with a risk because people who have nothing to do with him except are from the same school haven't become good NFL players... If you're referring to Dion Jordan, he was a stand up, not hand in the dirt pass rusher, and completely different player. Similarly, Buckner is WAY more polished the Arik Armstead who came out last year, and his college production matches that even though he saw double and triple teams all year (unlike when armstead had Buckner on the other side of him last year). he had more sacks in October than Armstead had in his career. Laslty, the last Oregon defensive lineman we drafted turned out pretty darn good. Its not often you see a player with the freakish physical traits like Buckner and the production to back it up (in a system that doesn't suit lineman getting lots of stats)... If were creative with our defense, moving him to the inside on passing downs he will generate pass rush no doubt...

Can you tell who I want us to draft?

[ellicottraven]

Also, I guarantee you the Boys will not select a QB and will target a player we covet and strike another blow to us. It isn't unrealistic to think JJ has a mole in the Ravens draft room! Has to be considering his football smarts generally speaking...

[trevorsteadman]

5 minutes ago, jravens13 said:

We are not close to being a top defense. But a good corner, and another pass rusher would definitely help bridge the gap. I would love Bosa, but I don't think it will come true. I would rather take Veron Hargraves, who will be a great CB, over Jalen Ramsey who will play Safety in the NFL. Buckner comes with a huge risk, as Oregon players have a poor track record in the NFL. Although he has a huge frame, I do not think he is explosive enough to really contribute as a pass rusher in the NFL. He is also a 3-4 DE, which has much less of an impact on the defense compared to an OLB or CB. Jaylon Smith is worth waiting for the recovery IMO.

I would disagree I think the Ravens are closer to a top defense than most give them credit. #2 passing defense the second half of the season without Suggs. That is very impressive. Add in they were top 10 against the run during that time as well. I just don't see Vernon Hargreaves worth a top 10 pick, he is good but a lot of cornerbacks flop in the NFL... Especially at 5'11. That reminds me of a Joe Haden or Lardarius Webb all over again. Buckner has a huge ceiling but he also is still raw and needs to learn a bit. I think Ramsey can play cornerback and safety, he may give up some yards as a rookie but I think he will create turnovers like Marcus Peters did last season. Gave up 900 yards and 7 touchdowns but a lot of turnovers to back it up that propelled him to the pro bowl as a rookie. Jaylon Smith or Myles Jack would be solid picks I actually think if Smith was healthy he would go top 3, he isn't as flashy or versatile as Jack but he makes plays. I also think a team like San Diego would pass on Bosa because DE is more of a priority and Buckner would fit better. I also think Jacksonville would rather go with Ramsey due to they drafted Fowler last year that has yet to touch the field so it will be like having two rookies for them this year. The Cowboys, Browns, and Titans are the teams I would be worried about. Titans I do believe pick Tunsil.. I would he is the best player in the draft in my opinion.... The Browns hopefully have not learned from their mistake of drafting a ton of quarterbacks and expecting a complete turn around. They need to start drafting best player available... But if they do draft a quarterback that helps. Cowboys I would guess take Jack because of #1 his explosiveness and versatility that they need on their defense and #2 then he can be used in a situational running back role which they proved they also could need help there next season. 

[trevorsteadman]

5 minutes ago, birdseye said:

I agree that Jaylon Smith would be worth the wait... however its unfair to say Buckner comes with a risk because people who have nothing to do with him except are from the same school haven't become good NFL players... If you're referring to Dion Jordan, he was a stand up, not hand in the dirt pass rusher, and completely different player. Similarly, Buckner is WAY more polished the Arik Armstead who came out last year, and his college production matches that even though he saw double and triple teams all year (unlike when armstead had Buckner on the other side of him last year). he had more sacks in October than Armstead had in his career. Laslty, the last Oregon defensive lineman we drafted turned out pretty darn good. Its not often you see a player with the freakish physical traits like Buckner and the production to back it up (in a system that doesn't suit lineman getting lots of stats)... If were creative with our defense, moving him to the inside on passing downs he will generate pass rush no doubt...

Can you tell who I want us to draft?

Ngata clue who you are talking about what defensive lineman from Oregon did we draft before?

[billiejean]

46 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I would disagree I think the Ravens are closer to a top defense than most give them credit. #2 passing defense the second half of the season without Suggs. That is very impressive. Add in they were top 10 against the run during that time as well. I just don't see Vernon Hargreaves worth a top 10 pick, he is good but a lot of cornerbacks flop in the NFL... Especially at 5'11. That reminds me of a Joe Haden or Lardarius Webb all over again. Buckner has a huge ceiling but he also is still raw and needs to learn a bit. I think Ramsey can play cornerback and safety, he may give up some yards as a rookie but I think he will create turnovers like Marcus Peters did last season. Gave up 900 yards and 7 touchdowns but a lot of turnovers to back it up that propelled him to the pro bowl as a rookie. Jaylon Smith or Myles Jack would be solid picks I actually think if Smith was healthy he would go top 3, he isn't as flashy or versatile as Jack but he makes plays. I also think a team like San Diego would pass on Bosa because DE is more of a priority and Buckner would fit better. I also think Jacksonville would rather go with Ramsey due to they drafted Fowler last year that has yet to touch the field so it will be like having two rookies for them this year. The Cowboys, Browns, and Titans are the teams I would be worried about. Titans I do believe pick Tunsil.. I would he is the best player in the draft in my opinion.... The Browns hopefully have not learned from their mistake of drafting a ton of quarterbacks and expecting a complete turn around. They need to start drafting best player available... But if they do draft a quarterback that helps. Cowboys I would guess take Jack because of #1 his explosiveness and versatility that they need on their defense and #2 then he can be used in a situational running back role which they proved they also could need help there next season. 

It is doubtful that Jack will be playing any running back. The risk on injury is to great.

Edited February 19, 2016 by billiejean

[n#7]

Let's see. Bosa or Buckner? Kiper may be dreaming that one falls to the Ravens but I sure hope he's right this time. Highly doubtful but one can't lose getting either one.

[RavensDieHard21]

Also, I guarantee you the Boys will not select a QB and will target a player we covet and strike another blow to us. It isn't unrealistic to think JJ has a mole in the Ravens draft room! Has to be considering his football smarts generally speaking...

I wouldn't be surprised if they took Jack though! I think that is a dark horse pick for them with Lee being so injury prone.

[ryananth]

Hope Kiper's right about the two QBs being taking early. If so, I'd be thrilled to have any of his other four top picks.

[trevorsteadman]

7 minutes ago, billiejean said:

It is doubtful that Jack will be playing any running back. The risk on injury is to great.

I agree he won't play a lot but I could see him as a rotational running back. 3rd string running back with huge burst and play making ability. 

[fusuymada]

A shout out to the Ravens and the wonderful franchise they are. Crockett Gilmore and Brandon Williams are at Kennedy Krieger institute today meeting with kids with developmental and behavioral disabilities. Even in the offseason, even when no one is looking, the Ravens are out and in our community giving back to some of the most needy and fragile individuals in our society. I know its not part of the conversation here, but I think it needs to be recognized because I hear negativity from time to time in these rooms and I think things like this need to be center stage in some of these articles.

[RavensDieHard21]

  1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I don't see Bosa falling to us at 6 but I think a lot of us didn't see Leonard Williams falling last draft so it wouldn't be crazy if he did either. I almost think it is less of a possibility for Ramsey to fall to us. I can see teams in front of us taking the higher ceiling guys like Buckner ahead of us or Myles Jack that would drop Bosa. I still think he is probably the best pass rusher in the draft, and him with Suggs and Dumervil next year, with Jimmy Smith, Shareece Wright, Will Hill, and Brandon Williams.... If we get a better ballhawk safety and a decent nickel corner then that defense COULD be insane.

We are not close to being a top defense. But a good corner, and another pass rusher would definitely help bridge the gap. I would love Bosa, but I don't think it will come true. I would rather take Veron Hargraves, who will be a great CB, over Jalen Ramsey who will play Safety in the NFL. Buckner comes with a huge risk, as Oregon players have a poor track record in the NFL. Although he has a huge frame, I do not think he is explosive enough to really contribute as a pass rusher in the NFL. He is also a 3-4 DE, which has much less of an impact on the defense compared to an OLB or CB. Jaylon Smith is worth waiting for the recovery IMO. He might be the best defensive player in this draft. 

Realistically we are in the top 15 as is. Factor in a healthy Suggs, a few vets, and a defensive based draft and we are undeniably a top 10 unit. Right now the top 5-10 is pretty hard to crack as the Broncos, Panthers, Seahawks, Cardinals, are the elite units then the rest are a toss up between Cincy, Jets, KC, Houston, etc. But I pray first 4 rds are all pass rushers and secondary, unless an offensive talent is better obviously, but we can stop the run with our front 7, now we need pass rushing specialist to add in the mix after the first I hope that an Ogbah, Floyd, Oakmen or Calhoun fall to us.

[RavensDieHard21]

something about bosa scares me but if we draft him i hope i am wrong and he has a beast of a career with us

Honestly, in the top 10 I see Tunsil, Bosa, and Buckner as the safest picks you can get regardless of the team that drafts them, which all would fit great here lol

[jravens13]

1 hour ago, birdseye said:

I agree that Jaylon Smith would be worth the wait... however its unfair to say Buckner comes with a risk because people who have nothing to do with him except are from the same school haven't become good NFL players... If you're referring to Dion Jordan, he was a stand up, not hand in the dirt pass rusher, and completely different player. Similarly, Buckner is WAY more polished the Arik Armstead who came out last year, and his college production matches that even though he saw double and triple teams all year (unlike when armstead had Buckner on the other side of him last year). he had more sacks in October than Armstead had in his career. Laslty, the last Oregon defensive lineman we drafted turned out pretty darn good. Its not often you see a player with the freakish physical traits like Buckner and the production to back it up (in a system that doesn't suit lineman getting lots of stats)... If were creative with our defense, moving him to the inside on passing downs he will generate pass rush no doubt...

Can you tell who I want us to draft?

I don't see the explosiveness from Buckner to make him a Top 10 Pick. He is somewhat of a lazy pass rusher, but played in a pass happy conference with poor offensive line play. Would you honestly draft an interior lineman/run stuffer No. 6 overall when we already have some other promising young guys at the position? (Guy, Urban). The hype around Buckner is 100% about his size and his senior sack total. Look at the scores in the games he played. Those teams were throwing the ball nearly every time. 

[Drew P]

The Chargers O line is horrendous I think they get either Tunsil or Stanley.

They cant rely on King Dunlap to block Mack and Ware...

[jravens13]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I would disagree I think the Ravens are closer to a top defense than most give them credit. #2 passing defense the second half of the season without Suggs. That is very impressive. Add in they were top 10 against the run during that time as well. I just don't see Vernon Hargreaves worth a top 10 pick, he is good but a lot of cornerbacks flop in the NFL... Especially at 5'11. That reminds me of a Joe Haden or Lardarius Webb all over again. Buckner has a huge ceiling but he also is still raw and needs to learn a bit. I think Ramsey can play cornerback and safety, he may give up some yards as a rookie but I think he will create turnovers like Marcus Peters did last season. Gave up 900 yards and 7 touchdowns but a lot of turnovers to back it up that propelled him to the pro bowl as a rookie. Jaylon Smith or Myles Jack would be solid picks I actually think if Smith was healthy he would go top 3, he isn't as flashy or versatile as Jack but he makes plays. I also think a team like San Diego would pass on Bosa because DE is more of a priority and Buckner would fit better. I also think Jacksonville would rather go with Ramsey due to they drafted Fowler last year that has yet to touch the field so it will be like having two rookies for them this year. The Cowboys, Browns, and Titans are the teams I would be worried about. Titans I do believe pick Tunsil.. I would he is the best player in the draft in my opinion.... The Browns hopefully have not learned from their mistake of drafting a ton of quarterbacks and expecting a complete turn around. They need to start drafting best player available... But if they do draft a quarterback that helps. Cowboys I would guess take Jack because of #1 his explosiveness and versatility that they need on their defense and #2 then he can be used in a situational running back role which they proved they also could need help there next season. 

Joe Haden is 5' 11" and is a Pro Bowl caliber CB. Revis is 5' 11", Vontae Davis is 5' 11", Chris Harris is 5' 10", Josh Norman is 6'. Most successful CB's in the NFL are 5'11-6'1". Peters is 6' 0" also. Hargreaves might measure out at 5' 10", but his footwork, tackling ability, and relentless style of play make him worth drafting very high.  Ramsey looked pretty poor playing corner, but his athleticism allows him to make plays on the ball. He wasn't an impact player at corner like he was at safety. It was obvious, and he got beat a lot. Hargreaves has serious ball skills btw. 10 Int's in 3 years as a starter.  Ramsey had 3 Int's in 3 years, and 0 playing outside at CB in 2015. I hope someone reaches for Ramsey before No. 6 though. My eyes are set on Jaylon Smith, or Bosa (miracle), and Hargreaves as the backup plan. 

[RavensDieHard21]

24 minutes ago, Drew P said:

The Chargers O line is horrendous I think they get either Tunsil or Stanley.

They cant rely on King Dunlap to block Mack and Ware...

I agree entirely, Rivers is starting to get up there in age and they need to protect him, but Stanley at #3 could be a reach for them, but if Tunsil is gone and they prioritize OT over, Safety then we will get a great player at #6

[jravens13]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Realistically we are in the top 15 as is. Factor in a healthy Suggs, a few vets, and a defensive based draft and we are undeniably a top 10 unit. Right now the top 5-10 is pretty hard to crack as the Broncos, Panthers, Seahawks, Cardinals, are the elite units then the rest are a toss up between Cincy, Jets, KC, Houston, etc. But I pray first 4 rds are all pass rushers and secondary, unless an offensive talent is better obviously, but we can stop the run with our front 7, now we need pass rushing specialist to add in the mix after the first I hope that an Ogbah, Floyd, Oakmen or Calhoun fall to us.

We ranked 24th in Points Allowed last year. 6th in Points allowed in 2014 with Kubiak controlling the clock. 11th in 2013, 12th in 2012. What I see from this defense in the regression in the ability to stop higher end QB's and Offenses. Sure we look good against the Rams, but how good do we look against good QB's? Andy Dalton, Carson Palmer, Russell Wilson, Alex Smith. We had an easy schedule and still couldn't stop a lick. Even in 2014 we struggled vs the better QB's. We used to dominate (Top 5). Sure with the right additions we could enter the Top 10 discussion again, but I think Pees is a major part of the equation that we have not resolved. There has to be a better D-Coordinator out there. I will credit him for figuring out Pittsburgh. I just don't think his play calling uses our players to their strengths. 

Edited February 19, 2016 by jravens13

[ravenwildman]

Every year I try to guess what Ozzie and crew will do.....every year I am wrong. So....in an effort to keep my purple foot out of my mouth in this years draft I say, "go for the guy who will help us the most Oz!", and leave it at that, lol. GO RAVENS!

[billiejean]

3 hours ago, jravens13 said:

We are not close to being a top defense. But a good corner, and another pass rusher would definitely help bridge the gap. I would love Bosa, but I don't think it will come true. I would rather take Veron Hargraves, who will be a great CB, over Jalen Ramsey who will play Safety in the NFL. Buckner comes with a huge risk, as Oregon players have a poor track record in the NFL. Although he has a huge frame, I do not think he is explosive enough to really contribute as a pass rusher in the NFL. He is also a 3-4 DE, which has much less of an impact on the defense compared to an OLB or CB. Jaylon Smith is worth waiting for the recovery IMO. He might be the best defensive player in this draft. 

Buckner is a lot more explosive than Bosa

[bioLarzen]

  3 hours ago, The Greek said:

something about bosa scares me but if we draft him i hope i am wrong and he has a beast of a career with us

Honestly, in the top 10 I see Tunsil, Bosa, and Buckner as the safest picks you can get regardless of the team that drafts them, which all would fit great here lol

I would also put Jalen Ramsey there.

[bioLarzen]

something about bosa scares me but if we draft him i hope i am wrong and he has a beast of a career with us

I also have the gut feeling Buckner will have a better NFL career than Bosa...