Because You Can Never Have Enough Mock Drafts- Pre-Combine

[ALI624]

My first attempt at a mock draft...Let the mocking ensue.

1. Titans- Tunsil- Protect Mariota.

2. Browns- Wentz- Rising star, big and strong and is used to playing and living(don't underestimate this) in cold weather.

3. Chargers- Ramsey- Replacement for Weddle- I think I have reached the acceptance phase where I think there is little to no chance of getting him.

4. Cowboys- Bosa- Replacement for Hardy.

5. Jaguars- Buckner- Teaming him up with Fowler.

6. Ravens- Hargreaves- I know what your going to say, "it's a reach," thing is I don't know it is we are looking for a playmaker, a game changer, someone on defense that can create turnovers and I believe he fits the bill and is a potential shutdown corner back which is something our defense sorely needs. People will knock his height, but I think he makes up for it with his quickness, leaping ability and tenacity.

There are several options such as: 

Stanley- my least favorite, yes LT is important, but we need playmakers and a playmaker with the 6th pick and there are questions about work ethic not what you want to hear about your 6th pick and protector of your franchise QB.

Jack- Not sold on him, I don't know it's just a gut feeling and coming off a knee injury, I know it was not as serious as an ACL tear, but we just had our 1st round pick miss the year because of a "not that serious" injury.

Smith- Same thing as Jack, but with a much more serious knee injury, and probably would have him change positions, may end up missing the year or having an ineffective year.

Treadwell- Don't think he is worth it here and there will be many quality receivers in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Spence- Was definitely torn between him and Hargreaves, but I think with the off the field issues are too much for us to take him(I don't agree, but I think that is how it will go.)

7. 49ers- Jack- Potential great partnership with Bowman- I think Kaepernick is the starter.

8. Dolphins- Alexander- Need a corner and Grimes is getting up there in age.

9. Buccaneers- Ogbah- Probably a reach but had a hard time picking for them.

10. Giants- Robinson- Need to create some pass rush and maybe they keep JPP which would be a bonus for them.

11. Bears- Stanley- copied Walter Football lol.

12. Saints- Spence- Their secondary is pretty bad, but none are worth taking and Spence gives that defense some much needed pass rush.

13. Eagles- Lynch- Even if they resign Bradford and can seat for a year or two.(Aaron Rogers anyone?)

14. Raiders- Smith- Maybe he is ready for the start of the season or will only miss a couple of games, could be a great partnership with Mack.

15. Rams- Goff- What dumb luck they get their guy without trading down.

16. Lions- Treadwell- Replacement for Megatron.

17. Falcons- Billings- A force up the middle.

18. Colts- Conklin- It's about time they start protecting Luck.

19. Bills- Ragland- Will probably play OLB.

20 Jets- Elliott- In dire need of an every down back and he has could be a great one.

21. Redskins- Reed- Adding to that pass rush

22. Texans- Nkemdiche- Another piece for that defense.

23. Vikings- Coleman- Need to get some weapons to help Bridgewater develop.

24. Bengals- Miller- Think they look at their team and say the risk is worth it.

25. Steelers- Kendall Fuller- Need to help that secondary.

26. Seahawks- Apple- Struggled on the other side of Sherman.

27. Packers- Thomas- Seen what happens to Rogers when he doesn't have weapons.

28. Chiefs- Washington- Shined at the Senior Bowl.

29. Cardinals- Bullard- Also taken from Walter Football.

30. Panthers- Decker- Need to protect Cam.

31. Broncos- Will Fuller- Why not add a weapon for Brock to throw long to.

 

Second Round:

Boyd- He may turn out to be the best receiver in the class. Love is ability to go up and get the ball which is something that Flacco loves to do just heave it up and let his receiver go up and get it.

 

Third Round:

Ngakoue- At this point we need to get a pass rusher and I think he is just the player we need and he played for Maryland.

 

Fourth Round:

Cyrus Jones- One of my favorites it the draft I mean from Maryland and went to Alabama I mean has there been a more perfect pairing for us. Great returner which we are in dire need of and I think he could develop into a good nickel corner.

Joe Dahl- We have to hope Monroe can stay healthy, which you can say for most of the team, because I don't see us signing KO and develop Dahl into our future LT.

Matakevich- My other favorite player. Not very athletic, but has great instincts and is not afraid to tackle and tackle and tackle.

Higgins or Wilson- Can't decide which good analysis by JoeyFlex5 on Higgins, but another giant redzone threat in Wilson wouldn't hurt.

Sixth Round:

Reynolds- Could be a reach, but I like his versatility, could play RB or slot receiver and a possible trick play here and there and I just like him and his leadership. By the way it is terrible that he was not invited to the combine.

 

Well there it is in all it's glory, some picks probably don't make sense, but I did my best. Please be gentle with taking this mock draft apart.

[CorvusMagnus]

I'm having a hard time putting my finger on when or why Hargreaves (along with every other corner in this class) had his fall from grace on these boards but he definitely has.

I don't think anybody is arguing that he wont be a good player, but the expectation at 6 is great not good. It might be the Haden/Web type of frame leading us to wonder whether he has the sand to play his part against the run and stay healthy in the AFCN, it might just be the after images of the Broncos pass rush.

Either way taking Hargreaves over Jack there feels like trading a great player for a good one, even if it is at a position of greater need. Plus, I agree with you that Spence is also a better choice in that scenario.

[edthehead]

1 hour ago, CorvusMagnus said:

I'm having a hard time putting my finger on when or why Hargreaves (along with every other corner in this class) had his fall from grace on these boards but he definitely has.

I don't think anybody is arguing that he wont be a good player, but the expectation at 6 is great not good. It might be the Haden/Web type of frame leading us to wonder whether he has the sand to play his part against the run and stay healthy in the AFCN, it might just be the after images of the Broncos pass rush.

Either way taking Hargreaves over Jack there feels like trading a great player for a good one, even if it is at a position of greater need. Plus, I agree with you that Spence is also a better choice in that scenario.

well said,

[Jacquouille]

I do like the Hargreaves pick. He is still the best corner to come out in a few years. My only problem with him is that he seems so small and thin, yet just throws himself to make tackles. As a result, he makes plays in the run game, which is to be very appreciated, but I worry about how long can his body hold up his play style. I may be overreacting, my lack of experience is speaking right now.

 

How can you have 4 4th round?

[ALI624]

2 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

How can you have 4 4th round?

Our original pick, the pick from Denver, projected comp picks from Mcphee and Torrey Smith at least according to NFL.com's Chad Reuter's four round mock draft.

[52520Andrew]

Yeah we are loaded on 4th rounders this year, something that could make a trade up from our second or 3rd picks likely.

[trevorsteadman]

7 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Our original pick, the pick from Denver, projected comp picks from Mcphee and Torrey Smith at least according to NFL.com's Chad Reuter's four round mock draft.

Too bad that we can't trade comp picks until next year... I guess this still means we can trade our original pick and stick with the comps.

[ALI624]

Just now, trevorsteadman said:

Too bad that we can't trade comp picks until next year... I guess this still means we can trade our original pick and stick with the comps.

Yea and we probably won't have many comp picks to trade next year, typical.

[harfordravenfan]

2 hours ago, ALI624 said:

Yea and we probably won't have many comp picks to trade next year, typical.

Was thinking the same thing, the one year we won't load up on comp picks is the year we can trade them... Go figure

[Wildabeast88]

5 hours ago, CorvusMagnus said:

I'm having a hard time putting my finger on when or why Hargreaves (along with every other corner in this class) had his fall from grace on these boards but he definitely has.

I don't think anybody is arguing that he wont be a good player, but the expectation at 6 is great not good. It might be the Haden/Web type of frame leading us to wonder whether he has the sand to play his part against the run and stay healthy in the AFCN, it might just be the after images of the Broncos pass rush.

Either way taking Hargreaves over Jack there feels like trading a great player for a good one, even if it is at a position of greater need. Plus, I agree with you that Spence is also a better choice in that scenario.

Did you see his last 3 games he was torched by mediocre WRs repeatedly. He almost looked like he wasn't trying I will pass on him.

[Edgar]

5 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah we are loaded on 4th rounders this year, something that could make a trade up from our second or 3rd picks likely.

Still holding out hope that we get a 3 for McPhee. Received a 3rd round compensatory for Kruger.

[52520Andrew]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

Still holding out hope that we get a 3 for McPhee. Received a 3rd round compensatory for Kruger.

We did but the prices in that free agency period were lower. Overthecap has it being projected that 4 3rd round picks will be awarded and the guys they had filling it were Suh(lots of money), Revis(not getting jumped either), Maxwell(10.5 mil and played significant snaps even if he didn't play well), and Julius Thomas(9 mil but missed 5 games). Thomas is clearly the best bet to be jumped of any of these guys but he still had a lot of playing time and it seems that the formula skews fairly heavily towards salary. I don't see how missing 5 games makes up that difference.

[L.A.Ravens]

What's the value of trading 3 4th round picks? Could we get a early 2nd for them? Just wondering.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Did you see his last 3 games he was torched by mediocre WRs repeatedly. He almost looked like he wasn't trying I will pass on him.

Did you see literally the entirety of his career where he wash absolutely stellar against high caliber competition? I'll take a whole career over 3 games and anyone who wouldn't isnt looking at it rationally

[usmccharles]

32 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Did you see literally the entirety of his career where he wash absolutely stellar against high caliber competition? I'll take a whole career over 3 games and anyone who wouldn't isnt looking at it rationally

Exactly.  Most people just remember the last thing they saw.  Kobe Bryant is terrible.....etc...

[mc_red23]

5 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

What's the value of trading 3 4th round picks? Could we get a early 2nd for them? Just wondering.

Won't some of those 3 picks be compensatory though?

Edited February 19, 2016 by mc_red23

[RaineV1]

13 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

Won't some of those 3 picks be compensatory though?

They are, which means they can't be traded. Not this year anyways.

[Inqui]

Just now, RaineV1 said:

They are, which means they can't be traded. Not this year anyways.

The bright side is that we can trade the Gino pick in particular and not worry about losing out on anyone specific in that range. It might be more useful to use 4.32 to trade up in the second or third (like we did with Arthur Brown) than to take three players in that range just because we can.

[RaineV1]

3 minutes ago, Inqui said:

The bright side is that we can trade the Gino pick in particular and not worry about losing out on anyone specific in that range. It might be more useful to use 4.32 to trade up in the second or third (like we did with Arthur Brown) than to take three players in that range just because we can.

I definitely wouldn't mind the Ravens using the late 4th rounder that we got through the trade to go up from the third to the late 2nd if someone unexpected is there. Or just to leap ahead of a team that Ozzie and company thinks will take the same guy we want.

[PurpleCity5]

I definitely like Hargreaves here, I'm sure Pees would as well, but that's what I assume. He's still a great player and people are just basing him off of two games, one which admittedly bad, the other(Alabama) which is overblown. Outside of that he's been consistently good-great against higher level competition and has a lot of the qualities you want in a CB. 

[ellicottraven]

18 hours ago, ALI624 said:

Yea and we probably won't have many comp picks to trade next year, typical.

The notion that it was extended to 2017 vs 2016 had a lot to do with the Ravens I'm sure and Jerry Jones may have had a hand in it as well.

[ALI624]

Just now, ellicottraven said:

The notion that it was extended to 2017 vs 2016 had a lot to do with the Ravens I'm sure and Jerry Jones may have had a hand in it as well.

No doubt about it and I'm sure I saw Jerry Jones right next to a light switch in New Orleans.

[Edgar]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I definitely wouldn't mind the Ravens using the late 4th rounder that we got through the trade to go up from the third to the late 2nd if someone unexpected is there. Or just to leap ahead of a team that Ozzie and company thinks will take the same guy we want.

If someone is there that they like,I would have to think they would give up our early four to get him. Certainly if the late four gets it done it would be preferable but that early four ought to be expandable if someone they like is there.

[trevorsteadman]

8 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

No doubt about it and I'm sure I saw Jerry Jones right next to a light switch in New Orleans.

I agree and jet fuel cannot melt steel beams. 

 

On a side note when you talk about Jack and Smith having injuries to avoid they do happen. Not all players are 100% bulletproof and it was a bad situation with Perriman but I still think that you go with the best player on the board. Injuries happen and you cannot stop it, you can try to avoid some with technique and exercise routines but all these guys listed above will get injured in their NFL career several times. I want the player that would benefit my team the most. And pray to god that it doesn't happen again. A majority come back from tears and stuff even stronger today. 

[Edgar]

11 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

We did but the prices in that free agency period were lower. Overthecap has it being projected that 4 3rd round picks will be awarded and the guys they had filling it were Suh(lots of money), Revis(not getting jumped either), Maxwell(10.5 mil and played significant snaps even if he didn't play well), and Julius Thomas(9 mil but missed 5 games). Thomas is clearly the best bet to be jumped of any of these guys but he still had a lot of playing time and it seems that the formula skews fairly heavily towards salary. I don't see how missing 5 games makes up that difference.

Thanks. Didn't realize any of that.

[ALI624]

Heath Miller just retired, looks like it is the start of the Jesse James era.

[polynesian15]

4 hours ago, ALI624 said:

Heath Miller just retired, looks like it is the start of the Jesse James era.

And Nick Boyle just got suspended 10 games next season for juicing.
If Pitta retires or plays sparingly we likely need to invest in our TE corps.

[RaineV1]

37 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

And Nick Boyle just got suspended 10 games next season for juicing.
If Pitta retires or plays sparingly we likely need to invest in our TE corps.

Not really, Gilmore as the starter and Williams as the backup is fine through the first ten games, with Boyd returning as the third guy after that.

[52520Andrew]

13 hours ago, Edgar said:

Thanks. Didn't realize any of that.

I should mention that I do not know if it is games started or snaps or what the exact metric they use for playing time is but I am going off the assumption that the snaps were comparable on a per game basis if snaps are what they use.

[Edgar]

7 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

I should mention that I do not know if it is games started or snaps or what the exact metric they use for playing time is but I am going off the assumption that the snaps were comparable on a per game basis if snaps are what they use.

It would also seem logical(perhaps subjectively)if the amount of time a team invests in a player should factor in.

The fact that the Ravens drafted and developed McPhee for four years should be a consideration when deciding value of compensatory pick. Stings a little that New England rents a guy for a year and gets a three for their trouble.