Legit Pre-combine mock, with some effort this time :)

[JoeyFlex5]

last mock i did was on my phone just because i was bored at work and spitballing a bit, so here goes a more well thought out and near-complete one the way i see things now before the combine.  

 

-1. Tennessee Titans - Laremy Tunsil, OT. obvious here, i think the chargers are the only real option here for the trade up and they are more than happy taking the 2nd overall talent, whoever they declare that is. 

-2. Cleveland Browns - Jared Goff, QB. i think goff is a guy who ol' hue is gonna really want so he can start out his stint with the browns doing what he does best, and that is working closely with a talented arm. goff and hue together could very well cause a surge in cleveland and they could quickly find themselves in contention for the north. 

-3. San Diego Chargers - DeForest Buckner, DE/DT. I think Bosa will fall, i think SD looks for a piece to build their defense around, buckner could very well be a generational talent, he has a clear cut versatile role and position, and that is either as a 3-4DE or a 4-3DT and he is there on every snap and rotates for nobody, they desperately need a dominant force in the trenches, and they have invested heavily in the edge rush in recent years so they may want to pass on bosa for a bigger need and more natural fit. 

-4. Dallas Cowboys - Jalen Ramsey, DB. Jerry wants the ravens favorite prospects, its as simple as that. bosa, jack, wentz, treadwell, all fill bigger needs and they have the greatest player to ever strap on cleats in barry church and byron jones looks to be a fixture anywhere in their secondary, but they take our top guy anyway. ill stop now before the thread gets locked when i speak about jerry in my natural tone... 

-5. Jacksonville JAGs - Joey Bosa, DE. Gus Bradley has been rumored to want to address the pass rush more than the secondary, regardless of how ridiculous that sounds when looking at their roster... bosa is a perfect fit, him and fowler can both play the LEO position and they can swap with ease, but bosa can also slide in to play DT, and he can probably learn to play on 2 feet as well and be their SAM for the bear front, Gus wants to incorporate a variation of the 46 and Bosa is their best shot at doing it well. 

 

-6. Baltimore Ravens... 

 

Myles Jack, LB. I was against it for so long, but it seems like the ozzie pick, and after re-watching him and trying to not be biased, i now see the appeal. the boy plays tougher than i gave him credit for, he brings a punch to blockers, takes on blocks to free up players when he knows he has to, but sheds blocks when he needs to make tackles, he plays downhill surprisingly well for his size, he reads the offense better than any LB ive seen since kuechly, he is taking his first step before the snap, he legitimately could be a full time SS, maybe even nickel corner as well. hes the 3rd generational talent in this draft and maybe the last, and we get him at 6th. we have more needs, he may not be the most practical pick, but man does he bring an impact from day 1. 

 

-7. San Francisco 49ers - Ronnie Stanley, OT. i wanted to mock treadwell, i wanted to mock wentz, but i hear the rumblings about pro scouts not feeling so highly about tread and it makes sense, and the chip effect makes me question if they take a qb here, he probably bargained his way into such a quick job offer by saying he could fix kaepernick(lol). but they could seriously use a RT and of all of their ginormous needs, they just decide to take the guy who would help the most in their division, playing the cardinals hawks and rams twice a year, you need some protection on the outside, so they begin here with a great pass blocker who may bulk up to become a cornerstone LT in the future. 

-8. Miami Dolphins - Vernon Hargreaves III, CB. if their gm is smart i think they realize that VH3 is still the clear cut best corner in the draft, at least i fully believe so, a few games doesnt dictate the kids ridiculous legacy at florida, he is possibly the best college corner i have ever seen in terms of technique and pro readiness. 

-9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Noah Spence, Edge. They desperately need some pass rush and could care less about his history, after the combine i think he puts on i think this will even be low for him. Spence could be a top 3 talent in this draft without his history and that is a stock inflated by combine numbers, but with a clean record i think he goes top 3. 

-10. New York Giants - A'Shawn Robinson, DT. BPA type of pick here, im tempted to pick zeke for them but i just dont know if the Mara's take a rb that high, they're not exactly dummies in the draft. Robinson replaces JAGs rotating at DT with a very good player in both pass rush and run stuffing, and playing next to a solid veteran in Hankins with a good pass rusher like JPP on his outside shoulder could really allow him to shine. 

-11. Chicago Bears - Jaylon Smith, LB. assuming his knee clears out, the bears get a bit of a steal here, versatile mover who can play ILB in 3-4 sets and OLB in the 4-3, can cover well, he FIRES into gaps with authority to bring down runners early, and can rush from the 2 point with a first step that rivals any edge rusher in the draft and a solid amount of skill handfighting with blockers as well. BPA pick who helps the bears defense rebuild even more with their recent home runs in mcphee and kyle fuller. 

-12. New Orleans Saints - Mackensie Alexander, CB. they need help literally everywhere, lets start by drafting a very high ceiling slider in possibly the 2nd highest value position on defense. 

-13. Philadelphia Eagles - Carson Wentz, QB. they need one, Wentz could be seen as the top qb by many scouts, and a top 10 prospect. they jump for joy when the nanners pass on him for stanley and sweat bullets waiting for him to fall. 

-14. Oakland Raiders - Leonard Floyd, OLB. he could play OLB in their 3-4 set, and in their 4-3 set, and they use both often and effectively. with the wildly undependable aldon smith being a suspension waiting to happen, and justin tuck retiring, they need an edge rusher. if aldon smith is playing then smith lines up at DE while floyd is at LB behind him and both would bombard the tackle, the raiders defensive front would be an ideal place for floyd to shine. floyd will light up the combine and become a hot commodity for teams lacking edge rushers in the mid round 

-15. LA Rams - Andrew Billings, DT. this is what happens when jeff fisher has influence on your FO, an overabundance of trench players. billings is a monster, and would terrrify any team trying to block him and donald at the same time, but its an embarrassment of riches and i think moves like this(which i truly do think will happen) will lead to a disastrous start in LA. 

-16. Detroit Lions - Corey Coleman, WR. the lions have never been afraid of the sexy pick, Caldwell calls a branch from the Coryell family tree, so there shouldnt be much transition problems. potential OROY here, him and golden tate make a formidable duo in the pass happy nfc north.

-17. Atlanta Falcons - Darron Lee, LB. a generally horrible drafting team, makes a horrible reach. they want to add pass rush so they get a "OLB" even though they run a 4-3, they need speed because of their division so they grab a faster LB, but Darron Lee i believe is a 2nd round talent and this is just a move that smells like the Falcons. may become a solid starter, but overall a bust. 

-18. Indianapolis Colts - Ezekiel Elliott, RB. 3rd time mocking this, and ill continue to do so unless its the day after the draft and the colts havent selected him lol 

-19. Buffalo Bills - Robert Nkemdiche, DE/DT. Rex Ryan pounds the table, the owners comply, everyone is happy, until Nkemdiche drunkenly stagedives after the draft and goes on IR, then in his sophomore year he blows into the backfield only to lose sight of the ballcarrier and leaves wide open lanes repeatedly and plays himself into a permanent backup role. 

-20. New York Jets - Ryan Kelly, C. surprise pick, but they could use a center, i would take corey coleman here if i was the jets as both decker and marshall appear to be stopgaps and theyll never build a future with them and fitzpatrick, but they get a key fixture moving forward, a guy who could legitimately be the best center in the league, and save the sexy picks for when they inevitably have a bomb season and pick in the top 5. 

-21. Washington Redskins - Laquon Treadwell, WR. i have totally flipped on tread, i think he bombs the combine and falls, but the redskins would LOVE to have this guy, garcon could be on the outs so they need another reliable set of hands, jax could be on the outs so they need another playmaker, this guy gives both and would pair well with either if one of them stays. helping cousins is their clear priority here and they dont have an OL to pick so they get a massive value here. 

-22. Houston Texans - Reggie Ragland, LB. rumor has it he has some edge rushing chops he'd like to show off, i can see that being a real possibility, houston gets a very safe player here with a decent ceiling thanks to his toughness and smarts, and if he is as versatile as he claims then he could be a real steal here. 

-23. Minnesota Vikings - Artie Burns, CB. ***DISCLAIMER***THIS IS A PURE COMBINE PICK*** a 6'2" track star who could see an explosion of stock after the combine, i think he belongs in the mid 2nd, but i think the vikings are a complete enough team to make an x-factor high ceiling pick here, and with the only first round receivers off the board along with the only first round interior linemen i think they may take a project player here and hope they get some big return on their investment. they likely want to see him in a safety/nickel hybrid role, allowing harrison smith to play a more natural SS role and giving them some great range from the other safety position. all drafts need a few picks like this. 

-24. Cincinnati Bengals - Jarran Reed, DE/DT. just screams a bengals pick to me, good player, tough player, built for the division, becomes a pain in our neck for years to come. 

-25. Pittsburgh Steelers - Vadal Alexander, OL. could probably start anywhere on the line by his 3rd year, good swing guy, smart, physical, athletic, failsafe lineman prospect i believe, seems like a steelers pick also, they desperately need help on their limited and shallow OL if they want ben to finish his career alive, therefore they take a guy who can fill in anywhere they need. 

-26. Seattle Seahawks - Taylor Decker, OT. they need a LT and decker could be a top 20 guy, seems like a match to me. 

-27. Green Bay Packers - Adolphus Washington, DE/DT. great pick for their 3-4 front, they need some toughness, they need some explosiveness, they get the complete package in a guy who i think is a much more talented prospect than his draft stock would indicate. 

-28. Kansas City Chiefs - Will Fuller, WR. i could see a meteoric rise from fuller after the combine, dude could legitimately clock in at 4.2 flat, hes been regarded as the next desean jackson, and while im not big on player comps i think this one is obvious. someone will take a flyer on the guy in the late first or early 2nd, and the speed-desperate chiefs may be the ones to do it, there isnt a no-brainer pick for the OL here, so they take the position they are lacking at more than any team in the league. 

-29. Arizona Cardinals - Shaq Lawson, DE/OLB. he could play DE in their 3-4, he could also play rush-LB just as easily, he is no coverage guy but he can get to the qb in many ways and the cardinals get a steal here in a position of need. 

-30. Carolina Panthers - Jack Conklin, OT. poor panthers, they may be the most complete team in the league, and they looked unstoppable, but a lack of a quality OT against the best pass rush tandem in the league doomed them, its crazy how one single matchup can make the superior team lose in a landslide. they take a guy who may be a bust, he just isnt that great, but he is touted as a first round OT and that is the only real option they have after what happened in the super bowl. 

-31. Denver Horsefaces - Paxton Lynch, QB. boy whatta steal and perfect pick, the broncos have an easy rebuilding phase as they win the SB and watch their starting qb leave, and they replace the obviously average Osweiler with a big armed talented guy. kubiaks offense, cj anderson, DT and emmanuel sanders, this guy will just have it made in the shade in denver and will easily transition and im afraid that denvers offense returns to juggernaut status. 

 

Ravens remaining picks: 

Round 2: 

Darian Thompson, S. he may lack in top end speed, but with his ridiculous caliber of smarts, instincts, and general aptitude of football, he can more than suffice. total brainiac on the field and watching his tape you can tell he is a film junkie, he knows the opponents playbook as well as they do, and he is not afraid to take risks and force turnovers, and i would trust him 9 times out of 10 to make those plays because he KNOWS where that ball is going. day 1 starter, with a FA at CB our secondary is suddenly revamped, and with him and jack the middle of the field is completely off limits.. like seriously.. dont even try it.. 

 

Round 3: 

 

Joe Schobert, OLB. steal of the draft. by year 2 this guy is a starter, especially for the ravens. blue collar, hard worker, good measurables, but not eye popping enough to have him explode the combine and move up into the second(possible, but not likely), smarts, and my god is this kid versatile. he covers very well, plays the run very well, isnt a true rush-backer but he rushes the passer very efficiently, hes reminiscent of a pernell mcphee there, pass rushing as a part time job will produce some very good results, but he wont be subbed out like mcphee was, he will stay on the field as an excellent all around LB. long term starter right here. 

 

Round 4:

Rashard Higgins, WR. 6'2" and great skill set. speed is not eye popping so it lets him fall right into our laps in the early 4th but his speed is not to be taken lightly thanks to his 6'2" solid frame and great tenacity to the ball and his suddenness. not yet a stellar route runner but shows an obvious ability to be able to learn it quite easily, coming from a pro system all he'll need is a bit of coaching and it wont take much. shows some nuances like getting more shallow in crossing routes and exploding to the ball to create tons of space after the catch, plays back shoulders fades very well with a few chop-steps and turns his head to locate and high point the ball, plays with a swagger, and overall looks the part of a legitimate high volume WR at the next level. good low investment wr who honestly looks like a safe bet to pan out, yet gets passed on due to lack of top end speed or a big name program. 

Kevin Peterson, CB. smaller guy, not the greatest top end speed, but plays with good feet, has a good grasp on how to turn his head to locate the ball, and plays it well, doesnt come down with the pick often but legitimately seems to understand how to just stop completions. doesnt always mirror his man as much as you would want and he does bite on doubles, but has ramps up quick on high arcing balls and can catch up if the qb doesnt lead his target perfectly, and if he catches up he will find a way to bat that ball. "will not be denied" attitude on the field, in the right environment he could be a very good slot corner or a #2. 

Tyler Marz, OT. the pedigree of a wisconsin badger OT in the NFL is real. this school produces studs and teams constantly allow the tackles to slip between the cracks, after seeing what we got in wagner we will have no problem taking a potentially superior OT from the same system.

 

Round 6: 

Cyrus Jones, CB. hometown kid, obvious special teams ace. he will become a fan favorite because of his small man syndrome and his ability to make plays on special teams, he will be a standout guy as he will be making tons of ST tackles and probably carve out a niche as a kick returner as well, not a starting cb in the nfl but with this pick we continue our trend of great ST play and with little investment, and rather than wasting a pick on a guy who doesnt see the field we get a surefire contributor, even if its in a small way. 

 

at this point in the process, i think this is a very realistic possibility for the ravens draft, i tried to have some fun with the first round on occasion so disregard of you think some picks are ridiculous, i did that because there are always ridiculous picks lol. 

[PolishRifle]

I'm in favor of Myles Jack, but I have to agree with the majority of mock drafts, who seem him go to the Cowboys. I don't see Buckner getting picked up before Bosa either. He's not gonna make it into the top 5. Jack is a much safer pick than Buckner, imho. More deserving of being top 5. It depends on how well he's gonna do in the Combine I guess, but the game Buckner had against Michigan State was rough. Both Spence and he get alot of pre-draft hype, I'm starting to become more and more skeptic about all that. Jaylon Smith might be worth looking into, if Jack isn't available, though.

[52520Andrew]

I don't know if Thompson is there in the second as things stand but it is early and I would be more than happy moving up for him assuming Ramsey didn't fall in our laps. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, 52520Andrew said:

I don't know if Thompson is there in the second as things stand but it is early and I would be more than happy moving up for him assuming Ramsey didn't fall in our laps. 

I think an average 40 time drops him personally. He is pretty widely seen as a 2nd rounder now and a 4.5 40 Would probably just cement that status. That's how I see it playing out. But to entertain the notion I'm looking at spriggs and Boyd in that scenario.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

I'm in favor of Myles Jack, but I have to agree with the majority of mock drafts, who seem him go to the Cowboys. I don't see Buckner getting picked up before Bosa either. He's not gonna make it into the top 5. Jack is a much safer pick than Buckner, imho. More deserving of being top 5. It depends on how well he's gonna do in the Combine I guess, but the game Buckner had against Michigan State was rough. Both Spence and he get alot of pre-draft hype, I'm starting to become more and more skeptic about all that. Jaylon Smith might be worth looking into, if Jack isn't available, though.

I don't see this rough game against msu so many like to point out.. Like did you actually watch buckner in this game? He was doubled and tripled and chipped consistently and still held his own, and he got the better of Jack Conklin nearly every time they faced off in 1v1 situations which wasn't often. Bosa is not the first overall prospect that he once was and 3-4 teams will very much prefer buckner to bosa as he has both a higher floor and higher ceiling and is a better fit 

 

Also, rumor has it the cowboys are satisfied with Sean Lee for now and Ramsey is their top prospect, seems a very believable scenario, Jerry taking the much higher ceiling yet riskier prospect With an attitude seems to be a no brainer. I never fully bought into the Jack to Dallas hype train to begin with, I've always thought either Ramsey or bosa would be their guy

Edited February 18, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[RaineV1]

I don't see Higgins making it to round 4. Depending on the combine he could even sneak into the late 2nd round. Switching Higgins and Schobert would make it be a bit more realistic. Though either way getting both would great. It'd be tough to pick between Jack and Spence in the first if it played out like this, but I agree that Jack would probably add more to the defense than Spence, especially considering how badly we need more speed.

[Jacquouille]

I'm starting to believe we have the exact same vision of this draft lol!

I just would take Jones in the 4th, that's where he's predicted to go.

Edited February 18, 2016 by Jacquouille

[Wildabeast88]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I don't see Higgins making it to round 4. Depending on the combine he could even sneak into the late 2nd round. Switching Higgins and Schobert would make it be a bit more realistic. Though either way getting both would great. It'd be tough to pick between Jack and Spence in the first if it played out like this, but I agree that Jack would probably add more to the defense than Spence, especially considering how badly we need more speed.

There are a lot of good WRs I think Higgins in the 4th is about right there are around 12-15 rated higher than him on most big boards

[Edgar]

I think Buckner at three(even given the fact that he's your guy) might be a bit of wishful thinking in hopes that someone falls to us. It's plausible in that he fits them I suppose.

Darian Thompson falling to us in round two is unlikely. I personally like him more than Ramsey and would love him to see the Ravens work a trade to get him.

Taking Jack at six is a steal as strange as that sounds. The combination of your first two picks would be great though I wonder if Ozzie would take Spence instead.(over Jack). Last year they were reportedly salivating over Dupree and Shane Ray and Spence is a much,much better prospect.

I need to watch your round three pick...seems to be popping up a lot.

I haven't watched Marz but keep hearing/reading about how terrible he looked at senior bowl practices in one on ones.

Cyrus jones stock will rise and I don't see him making it out of the fourth.

id be ecstatic if the steelers took a guard over Conklin or Thompson but doubt it.

 

Keep them coming. Really enjoyed this mock.

[Edgar]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't see this rough game against msu so many like to point out.. Like did you actually watch buckner in this game? He was doubled and tripled and chipped consistently and still held his own, and he got the better of Jack Conklin nearly every time they faced off in 1v1 situations which wasn't often. Bosa is not the first overall prospect that he once was and 3-4 teams will very much prefer buckner to bosa as he has both a higher floor and higher ceiling and is a better fit 

 

Also, rumor has it the cowboys are satisfied with Sean Lee for now and Ramsey is their top prospect, seems a very believable scenario, Jerry taking the much higher ceiling yet riskier prospect With an attitude seems to be a no brainer. I never fully bought into the Jack to Dallas hype train to begin with, I've always thought either Ramsey or bosa would be their guy

You know, I re-watched this game after commenting that Buckner got handled and have to admit that in a lot of ways I was wrong.

Id say they did a good job generally of scheming him and to an extent marginalizing him in that game but there is so much to like about Buckner in terms of effort,awareness,power..just commanding the amount of attention.

 

[RaineV1]

45 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

There are a lot of good WRs I think Higgins in the 4th is about right there are around 12-15 rated higher than him on most big boards

I've mostly been using the CBS board, and they have him 9th (right behind Cooper and just ahead of Shepard).

[GrimCoconut]

I like both Schobert and Thompson but I don't like the value. I understand you like Thompson and he's gotten hype but taking him over Kendall Fuller, Eli Apple, or Tyler Boyd seems very questionable to me in this scenario. Some of your first round picks are a bit too "really" as well, and while your rationale makes sense on some, I can't but all of it. For instance, I can't see the Rams taking Billings even if he's a beast. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

I think Buckner at three(even given the fact that he's your guy) might be a bit of wishful thinking in hopes that someone falls to us. It's plausible in that he fits them I suppose.

Darian Thompson falling to us in round two is unlikely. I personally like him more than Ramsey and would love him to see the Ravens work a trade to get him.

Taking Jack at six is a steal as strange as that sounds. The combination of your first two picks would be great though I wonder if Ozzie would take Spence instead.(over Jack). Last year they were reportedly salivating over Dupree and Shane Ray and Spence is a much,much better prospect.

I need to watch your round three pick...seems to be popping up a lot.

I haven't watched Marz but keep hearing/reading about how terrible he looked at senior bowl practices in one on ones.

Cyrus jones stock will rise and I don't see him making it out of the fourth.

id be ecstatic if the steelers took a guard over Conklin or Thompson but doubt it.

 

Keep them coming. Really enjoyed this mock.

I'd have to respectfully disagree with a lot of this lol. There is no real reason to believe that Buckner isn't viewed as a top 3 defender in this class, and truthfully it comes down to him v Ramsey v bosa I believe, I'm not trying to push anyone to us and I have thought that Buckner and bosa go to Jax and SD in any order for a while. I also see Thompson generally projected as a 2nd and an average combine will just solidify that, I could be wrong but I jyst don't see him doing much to improve his stock. Marz will need some coaching and some work in the weightroom but he has potential. And also Cyrus Jones had been a huge liability in coverage for most of his time at Alabama and I don't think one short stretch at the end will make teams view him any higher, NFL teams know he's gonna be limited to special teams. 

 

Just my rationale to respond to your concerns:)

[Jacquouille]

I see Schobert becoming a fan favourite here. He's a good fit for our defense and like you said, a hard nosed guy, hard worker. People have been using the JJ comparison, I think he fits that mold.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like both Schobert and Thompson but I don't like the value. I understand you like Thompson and he's gotten hype but taking him over Kendall Fuller, Eli Apple, or Tyler Boyd seems very questionable to me in this scenario. Some of your first round picks are a bit too "really" as well, and while your rationale makes sense on some, I can't but all of it. For instance, I can't see the Rams taking Billings even if he's a beast. 

I think in thus scenario the jags would have their eyes set on fuller in the 2nd, and as much as I Like Boyd I Like Thompson more and I think it's quite possible the ravens would too. I also admitted to having some fun with the first round, if I found some picks slightly difficult to make I Would take the wild pick just because it really means nothing in the end lol. Also I'm just not that big on fuller Like some are.

Edited February 18, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think in thus scenario the jags would have their eyes set on fuller in the 2nd, and as much as I Like Boyd I Like Thompson more and I think it's quite possible the ravens would too. I also admitted to having some fun with the first round, if I found some picks slightly difficult to make I Would take the wild pick just because it really means nothing in the end lol

Yeah, I respect the wild choices. I always like people taking bold chances. Don't take me wrong here lol. 

Jacksonville may, but I think we'd find a way to get ahead of them if we like him that much. Also, Eli Apple would be available so why can't he be their [JAX] pick? Or vice versa? I also like Thompson but there's great safety talent here and I still like Vonn Bell a bit better than him, and really like Byard as a small school sleeper.

[Jacquouille]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah, I respect the wild choices. I always like people taking bold chances. Don't take me wrong here lol. 

Jacksonville may, but I think we'd find a way to get ahead of them if we like him that much. Also, Eli Apple would be available so why can't he be their [JAX] pick? Or vice versa? I also like Thompson but there's great safety talent here and I still like Vonn Bell a bit better than him, and really like Byard as a small school sleeper.

Allow me to participate. I think Apple will be gone before us, whether it's Dallas, SD, Jax, Tenesse, Cleveland, almost every team before us would want him. Also, if I had to choose between Thompson and Fuller, I'd take Thompson all day everyday, mostly because I don't like Fuller.

And while I understand the fact that you like other safeties, we've wasted many picks on safeties that didn't pan out, so I'd take the most NFL ready, the one with the fewest chances to fail, and the one that looks like a future Pro-Bowler, namely Thompson. I view him as a "no-risk" pick, really.

[GrimCoconut]

18 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Allow me to participate. I think Apple will be gone before us, whether it's Dallas, SD, Jax, Tenesse, Cleveland, almost every team before us would want him. Also, if I had to choose between Thompson and Fuller, I'd take Thompson all day everyday, mostly because I don't like Fuller.

And while I understand the fact that you like other safeties, we've wasted many picks on safeties that didn't pan out, so I'd take the most NFL ready, the one with the fewest chances to fail, and the one that looks like a future Pro-Bowler, namely Thompson. I view him as a "no-risk" pick, really.

I mean no disrespect but Thompson has made plenty of mistakes back in coverage. While he has shown ball skills, he's also shown lack of awareness in man coverage and he's blown assignments and let guys get downfield and get open. I like him a lot but he's hardly a perfect safety like some appear to believe. So I don't think he's better than Fuller just because Thompson has generated some hype atm. I still like both, but I need to see how Thompson tests at the combine with his 3 cone because his gambles haven't always panned out and I frankly want to see if he's got the athleticism to compensate for these gambles. I'm not sure he does, although the combine may change my mind.

Edited February 18, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[JoeyFlex5]

Fuller and apple both are known for the same thing though lol. Fuller has been known to jump a route and end up beaten, Apple is known to be overly aggressive and undisciplined when wrs make breaks in front of him. 

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Fuller and apple both are known for the same thing though lol. Fuller has been known to jump a route and end up beaten, Apple is known to be overly aggressive and undisciplined when wrs make breaks in front of him. 

Fuller and Apple have also faced better competition as well and while aggressive has good technique, while I've seen Thompson not consistently display the best technique, and just doesn't play with good man technique while I've seen Fuller and Apple do it. Apple's also played really well against Amari Cooper in the first playoffs. 

The difference between these prospects isn't much, but if I'm deciding between Fuller, Apple, and Thompson, I'm going with the CBs before the safety in this instance.  Nobody is saying Thompson sucks, but he may well be a better SS in the league, if that even matters. I also think he'll go a bit later than expected, but safeties are the toughest position to predict because their value is often strange. Sometimes they go on an early run and other times they fall. 

[January J]

I would be pretty satisfied with a draft similar to this. I think every single pick is definitely justified and seems very reasonable. Myles jack and Thompson do seem like Ozzie picks. Although so do Buckner and Spence. It's Just so hard to say, and with biscotti pounding on the table for pass rushers I'm not sure we wait until round 3, but it's possible.

Overall i thought it was an awesome mock. I always like your posts and your one of the few posters on this board that I truly respect and get alot of insight from.

[L.A.Ravens]

Mel Kiper Jr. Mock Draft 2.0 released today: 1) Tennessee Titans - OT Laremy Tunsil
2) Cleveland Browns - QB Carson Wentz
3) San Diego Chargers - DE DeForest Buckner
4) Dallas Cowboys - QB Jared Goff
5) Jacksonville Jaguars - DB Jalen Ramsey
6) Baltimore Ravens - DE Joey Bosa
7) San Francisco 49ers - LB Myles Jack
8) Miami Dolphins - OT Ronnie Stanley
9) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - CB Vernon Hargreaves
10) New York Giants - DE Noah Spence

[Jaybirds]

5 minutes ago, L.A.Ravens said:

Mel Kiper Jr. Mock Draft 2.0 released today: 1) Tennessee Titans - OT Laremy Tunsil
2) Cleveland Browns - QB Carson Wentz
3) San Diego Chargers - DE DeForest Buckner
4) Dallas Cowboys - QB Jared Goff
5) Jacksonville Jaguars - DB Jalen Ramsey
6) Baltimore Ravens - DE Joey Bosa
7) San Francisco 49ers - LB Myles Jack
8) Miami Dolphins - OT Ronnie Stanley
9) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - CB Vernon Hargreaves
10) New York Giants - DE Noah Spence

I thought someone posted a rumor about Jacksonville preferring to work on their front 7 instead of DBs, interesting that Kiper isn't biting down on that.  I could also see Jack going in front of us instead of behind.  But I think the point is still the same:  there's three pass rushers in the top 10, and at least 7 guys who could legitimately go in the first six picks.  Spence is probably our floor if we don't trade back.  Oh, darn. 

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd have to respectfully disagree with a lot of this lol. There is no real reason to believe that Buckner isn't viewed as a top 3 defender in this class, and truthfully it comes down to him v Ramsey v bosa I believe, I'm not trying to push anyone to us and I have thought that Buckner and bosa go to Jax and SD in any order for a while. I also see Thompson generally projected as a 2nd and an average combine will just solidify that, I could be wrong but I jyst don't see him doing much to improve his stock. Marz will need some coaching and some work in the weightroom but he has potential. And also Cyrus Jones had been a huge liability in coverage for most of his time at Alabama and I don't think one short stretch at the end will make teams view him any higher, NFL teams know he's gonna be limited to special teams. 

 

Just my rationale to respond to your concerns:)

it would be great  for me to be wrong about Thompson making it to us.

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

44 minutes ago, January J said:

I would be pretty satisfied with a draft similar to this. I think every single pick is definitely justified and seems very reasonable. Myles jack and Thompson do seem like Ozzie picks. Although so do Buckner and Spence. It's Just so hard to say, and with biscotti pounding on the table for pass rushers I'm not sure we wait until round 3, but it's possible.

Overall i thought it was an awesome mock. I always like your posts and your one of the few posters on this board that I truly respect and get alot of insight from.

Thanks man I appreciAte that. I really get involved in the draft and love doing all the stuff that comes with it. If I was capable my dream job would be a scout but that's a long shot at best lol. I'll gladly settle for posting on here as a hobby

[CorvusMagnus]

A lot of people underestimate how hard it is to take BPA, especially with a high draft pick after a bad season. First, you have to put yourself in a position where you have no make-or-break needs (or as close to it as possible), then you sometimes need to be willing to take your lumps when you pick players that put strength atop strength because they have the genuine potential to become one of the best who has ever played. This is that kind of draft, Jack and Thompson are those kinds players, and Ozzie is that kind of GM. Well done

Edited February 18, 2016 by CorvusMagnus

[allblackraven]

I'll be honest - Ravens part of this one's little underwhelming for me.

Jack is OK, although he wouldn't be my choice. The rest just feels like lot of middle-of-the-road players, while better ones are left on the board. 4th might be too late for Higgins and 6th is definitely way too late for Jones.

[Drew P]

SD's line sucks. I can see them selecting Tunsil or Stanley whichever is available. They have young talent at the OLB positions and Reyes might have earned a deal at DE.

I think TENN wants this years poor mans Watt in Bosa or as they stated trade out of it.

[JoeyFlex5]

I just don't see what will make teams feel like they need to draft Jones. He may never be more than a special teams guy, he was quite the liability in coverage in All his years at Alabama, expecting anything more than a ST ave would be extremely wishful thinking

[Edgar]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I just don't see what will make teams feel like they need to draft Jones. He may never be more than a special teams guy, he was quite the liability in coverage in All his years at Alabama, expecting anything more than a ST ave would be extremely wishful thinking

For whatever it's worth,Mayock has him as his 5th overall DB.I know this has no bearing on how teams view him but Unlike a lot of the draft "experts", I tend to  lend more import to something he says.

why couldn't you be a scout?