Joey Bosa or DeForest Buckner at 6.

[ngatainmyhouse]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

with the latest report of us most likely not trying to resign KO, i wonder how much they are leaning towards Stanley. 

Harbaugh stated at the combine they've offered Osemele an "aggressive" deal

[gabefergy]

19 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Mcphee had the body type for it. They didnt. 

 

Also youre taking what i said out of context and you know it. Yes interior disruption is an asset, but that is not a 34 linemens job in the scheme

McPhee is listed at 6'3"/275, ZDS is listed at 6'4"/275, Upshaw at 6'2"/272. All 3 of them have similar builds, they just aren't as talented or in ZDS' case maybe hasn't developed yet.

I'm not taking anything out of context. There are very good 3-4 DEs across the league who give a much more substantial pass-rush than what Ravens DEs have done in recent years. 

3-4 scheme doesn't matter when the team is in sub-packages 60% of the time. We need someone who can disrupt the QB from the interior

16 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

34 defenses that have good interior rushers do tend to do better. Like the Cardinal's defense.

Or the Steelers or the Jets or the Broncos

Edited February 25, 2016 by gabefergy
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[ellicottraven]

Guys, the agents for Kaepernik just requested permission from the Niners for a trade! That can only mean one thing for us - good stuff! If Kaepernik is traded there is no way the Niners don't pick a QB at #7 which means any team that really wants a top shelf QB - Wentz or Goff (one that Cleveland doesn't select) is the Niners target! Which means we will be in a great position to trade back with the Rams or any other team seeking a QB. Better yet, we may in fact be able to trade back with the Niners to go back 1 spot and get their second as well! The possibilities at that time become endless for us to trade back into the first and get 2 impact players!

[PurpleCity5]

58 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Guys, the agents for Kaepernik just requested permission from the Niners for a trade! That can only mean one thing for us - good stuff! If Kaepernik is traded there is no way the Niners don't pick a QB at #7 which means any team that really wants a top shelf QB - Wentz or Goff (one that Cleveland doesn't select) is the Niners target! Which means we will be in a great position to trade back with the Rams or any other team seeking a QB. Better yet, we may in fact be able to trade back with the Niners to go back 1 spot and get their second as well! The possibilities at that time become endless for us to trade back into the first and get 2 impact players!

I look at San Fran as leverage against St.Louis or Philadelphia. I don't think we can expect much from San Francisco. When was the last time a team gave up a lot moving up one spot? I mean moving back for an extra 2nd with San Francisco would be nice but would they really budge to give us that? I don't see them giving up a lot honestly to move up one spot. If I can recall we refused to move up one spot and part ways with a 3rd round pick for Dez Bryant. 

[L.A.Ravens]

if the value in a trade is worth it then I'm down for it. As of now we should stick with 6.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I look at San Fran as leverage against St.Louis or Philadelphia. I don't think we can expect much from San Francisco. When was the last time a team gave up a lot moving up one spot? I mean moving back for an extra 2nd with San Francisco would be nice but would they really budge to give us that? I don't see them giving up a lot honestly to move up one spot. If I can recall we refused to move up one spot and part ways with a 3rd round pick for Dez Bryant. 

I could see the 49ers giving us their 2nd just to keep the Eagles and Rams from being able to trade ahead of them.

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I look at San Fran as leverage against St.Louis or Philadelphia. I don't think we can expect much from San Francisco. When was the last time a team gave up a lot moving up one spot? I mean moving back for an extra 2nd with San Francisco would be nice but would they really budge to give us that? I don't see them giving up a lot honestly to move up one spot. If I can recall we refused to move up one spot and part ways with a 3rd round pick for Dez Bryant. 

Well the last time was the Browns and they gave a 3rd to live up one spot to draft Trent Richardson. Lol

 

nuff said, it was the browns

[443hurricane]

On 2/17/2016 at 1:32 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

It's tough because one is a more dominant fixture at 34DE while the other would probably be a mover and a guy who would need a lot of coaching and scheming. Both are dominant against the run, bosa can bring better edge rush and disruption, buckner brings a more dominant presence on the interior. Both shut down their side of the field against the run, both being a ferocious bull rush, both can rush the tackles outside shoulder and can take interior gaps consistently, both are very scheme diverse as they both play multiple positions in multiple fronts.. 

 

Honestly I think it would come down to the bigger need. Picture bosa at OLB against the run and at 3Tech/5Tech in the pass rush, then picture buckner at 3Tech against the run and 0/1Tech in the pass rush.. I think bosa would get the nod there. I have no preference Honestly but I might prefer Spence by a hair just because we so desperately lack explosion up front

Me want Spence!!!

Bring me a dog! He's our James Harrison.. Just let him hunt

[ellicottraven]

3 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I look at San Fran as leverage against St.Louis or Philadelphia. I don't think we can expect much from San Francisco. When was the last time a team gave up a lot moving up one spot? I mean moving back for an extra 2nd with San Francisco would be nice but would they really budge to give us that? I don't see them giving up a lot honestly to move up one spot. If I can recall we refused to move up one spot and part ways with a 3rd round pick for Dez Bryant. 

It just depends on if they believe another team is trying to move down to our spot to pick the one QB they actually covet. If that is what they believe then absolutely they would give up a pick to move up a spot. It wasn't too long ago that the Redskins gave up 3 first round picks to move up 4 spots...

[RavensDieHard21]

52 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

It just depends on if they believe another team is trying to move down to our spot to pick the one QB they actually covet. If that is what they believe then absolutely they would give up a pick to move up a spot. It wasn't too long ago that the Redskins gave up 3 first round picks to move up 4 spots...

It is great leverage I think. If we Sign KO and obviously plan on taking a defensive star then a trade back for extra picks would be great especially if Bosa, Buckner, Ramsey, and Jack are gone. If we move back to #7, #13 or #15 and acquire picks then we still have a shot at the other highly coveted talents such as Smith, VH3, Alexander, Spence, Lawson, etc. I really hope the Rams are desperate, I pray they offer us one of their second rounder and possibly a third.

[Winchester]

14 hours ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

Harbaugh stated at the combine they've offered Osemele an "aggressive" deal

Ravens have stated stuff like that before. Their definition of string and aggressive deals or offers are usually laughable at a market perspective!! And the player rarely takes these so called strong agressive deals. Ngata, Mcphee,Torrey. Right player right price bull is working so well lately!! To lose out on an elite player over $1mil per extra is incompetent. Because then that money that was not spent usually gets thrown at leftover trash like Kyle Arrington. Any valued player can flex a little. A player willing to sign at the "right price" is usually a player without many options. But who knows, maybe it was a very good deal.

[GrimCoconut]

5 hours ago, Winchester said:

Ravens have stated stuff like that before. Their definition of string and aggressive deals or offers are usually laughable at a market perspective!! And the player rarely takes these so called strong agressive deals. Ngata, Mcphee,Torrey. Right player right price bull is working so well lately!! To lose out on an elite player over $1mil per extra is incompetent. Because then that money that was not spent usually gets thrown at leftover trash like Kyle Arrington. Any valued player can flex a little. A player willing to sign at the "right price" is usually a player without many options. But who knows, maybe it was a very good deal.

To be fair, the rumor is we've offered KO a contract to make him the second highest salary behind Flacco on offense. 

[PurpleCity5]

12 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I could see the 49ers giving us their 2nd just to keep the Eagles and Rams from being able to trade ahead of them.

If we've really found a trade with the Rams and Eagles than I think we can get a 2nd, possibly more but at the same time if we don't, then I don't think we can expect much from them at all. A 2nd round pick seems to be a high price to pay just to move up one spot. You have to seriously be convinced that we're trading pick to part ways with it. 

[rudywasoffsides]

I can't understand why people want Bosa. I don't see him fitting into our defense at all. Buckner would work way better in our 3-4.

[gabefergy]

30 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I can't understand why people want Bosa. I don't see him fitting into our defense at all. Buckner would work way better in our 3-4.

What's not to understand? He would play OLB. 

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, gabefergy said:

What's not to understand? He would play OLB. 

Exactly. Bosa all day (though I am starting to warm up to Buckner) 

[ALPHA]

Buckner and Bosa can play any scheme

[RaineV1]

2 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I can't understand why people want Bosa. I don't see him fitting into our defense at all. Buckner would work way better in our 3-4.

The Ravens use Nickle a lot, which means he would just be the DE in that package. Also, it's not uncommon for 3-4 teams to have an OLB that's just used to rush the passer, which would suit Bosa well.

[gabefergy]

33 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Exactly. Bosa all day (though I am starting to warm up to Buckner) 

I don't think you can go wrong with either, but to me Bosa provides a greater overall package at a bigger need position. It doesn't hurt that he can kick inside and rush the passer as well. I saw a comp to Michael Bennett somewhere which makes a lot of sense. I think Bosa is more athletic though.

[ravensnation5220]

Buckner all the way, higher ceiling same floor

[JoeyFlex5]

Bosa can play in many positions for us. He is never subbed for anyone because he's a 5t against the run and a olb or true DE against the pass and His job would be to crash the line and rush, and he would do well. 

 

We don't draft a edge rusher and line him up as a 34OLB and ask him to drop into coverage, that is such a silly argument, in a 34 your dbs and ilbs do the covering while the OLBs and DEs do the pass rushong, and the coverage part is typically reserved for shallow zone drops as a surprise move or cutting off a screen

[Mt. Crushmore]

On February 24, 2016 at 11:13 AM, gabefergy said:

My only concern with Buckner is his pass-rushing prowess. He seemed to pick on some really bad OLs to get his production. I still really like him, but I wouldn't expect him to be a guy who is a force as an interior pass-rusher. I think Nkemdiche and even Rankins are better interior rushers.

I agree. Still a top 10 guy though.

[L.A.Ravens]

Can't wait for the next two days at the combine. That's where our first pick is coming from. Wide receivers were horrible today. I blame there 40s on the Addidas they wore trying to get the million lol

[Cillmatic]

Neither, Bosa would be weakened by our 3-4 scheme and Buckner is severely overrated.

 

#SpenceFTW

[allblackraven]

38 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Neither, Bosa would be weakened by our 3-4 scheme and Buckner is severely overrated.

 

#SpenceFTW

I disagree with your assessment on both Bosa and Buckner but I agree on Spence - he is what we need.

[ellicottraven]

I'm beginning to think that there will be no QBs taken before we pick and that doesn't bode well for our pick. We may end up with VH3 as the only option because I don't think we go Noah Spence. I say this because the Browns are one of the teams actively trying to trade for Kaepernik. And Dallas is still enamored by Romo and will continue to be till Romo literally starts falling apart breaking bones and stuff on National TV.

[ravensnation5220]

So apparently deforest buckner is tied for the biggest hands measured at the nfl combine https://mobile.twitter.com/Pac12Networks/status/703312784826757120

[January J]

Sounded like in some of the interviews I listened to they are pretty high on Buckner, I think they only see spence as a trade back option. Of course you never know when they're bluffing

[L.A.Ravens]

Spence had about five teams interview him today. Including the Ravens. I'm starting to get on the Noah spence train.

Edited February 28, 2016 by L.A.Ravens

[GordonBot]

Buckner is Ravens material.

Bosa just doesn't look cut out for Ravens ball.