[News] Late For Work 2/16: Examining Two Ravens Draft Trade Scenarios

[J.O.14]

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

 

1. I don't suspect Flacco signs an extension before FA begins, and I'm not even convinced that the FO views it as a must-get-done situation.

You really, honestly see a viable scenario where the FO chooses to leave Flacco's cap figure intact if it can be avoided? You're just about alone with that, do you know?

Well, I wouldn't say Jacket is alone. Obviously the FO would love to get something done, but nothing has been reported that they have even had discussions. I'm starting to get slightly concerned. I think the week of the combine will tell us a lot. If they meet at the combine, that's a good sign, but doesn't really mean anything will get done. I'm with jacket on this one, I don't know if something will be done in time for FA. Ozzie said they have a plans in place to deal with the cap number. I think if we want to build the best roster possible for next season, we need to get something done rather soon. It also takes two sides to tango, and Joe doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't want to. Pat and company made this bed and now we have to lay in it. Flacco seems willing to cooperate, but he is going to want something worth signing to.

[J.O.14]

I wouldn't mind trading back in the 10-15 range. We could get more picks and still get a difference maker in that range. My hope is that we get a corner or pass rusher. Honestly, I want a pass rusher more than anything. We have options on our roster at corner, and could bring in a FA. Pass rusher is a different story. We will have a 34 year old coming off another serious injury, and another pass rusher over 30 as well. We need to infuse some youth coming off the edge. If we trade back, I think Spence could be a real possibility, or Hargraves from Florida. If we stay at 6, I'm sure we will still get a talented player. If we trade back, we could be talking 3 picks within the first 50 selections.

[Raven_Don]

As long as we don't go WR on the first pick I am ok with it... I really don't think that was our down fall this season... it was on the defensive side of the ball... so many let downs in the first half of the year where we lead going into the fourth quarter... by 10 points... and still lost was a killer... pass rush is the mainstay... o-line... secondary help... ILB... luv D Smith but he's struggled in coverage... however he's still a force on defense..if I am not mistaken... he lead the team in tackles... on my list of needs WR is at the bottom of the list... do we need one... absolutely... we have a group of possession receivers on the team... Aiken... Butler... Mathews.. D Brown... and Camp ( Not including SSS)... we need a game changer... A guy similar to A. Brown who catches 10 passes a game for 150 yds.. giving defenses fits... we have a promising group of TE's... only problem is Maxx and Crockett play with such a physicality that they are always banged up.. it was hard to do what we envisioned in the latter months of the season with 3 TE sets... but hey I like what these young pieces have shown..

LETS GO RAVENS!!!!

[J.O.14]

Also, I saw a mock draft who had us taking Myles Jack at 6. I would honestly love that pick. He can play inside or outside, and is great in coverage. Daryl Smith had a solid year again, but age began to show in coverage last year. Jack would be a great replacement for D. Smith after next year. Mosley and Jack together on the inside, with Jernagin and B. Williams up front....wow.

[jravens13]

Also, I saw a mock draft who had us taking Myles Jack at 6. I would honestly love that pick. He can play inside or outside, and is great in coverage. Daryl Smith had a solid year again, but age began to show in coverage last year. Jack would be a great replacement for D. Smith after next year. Mosley and Jack together on the inside, with Jernagin and B. Williams up front....wow.

I agree. Jack is the future of the ILB position. You must be able to cover RB's, TE's, and slot WR's in space. Jaylon Smith would be great to have also.

[Halshayeji]

3 hours ago, budman said:

Us having cap room and able to keep all of our players? That's completely false.

I never said we can do both. I said we have the option of keeping all of our own which is a luxury that we haven't had for a while. I may have said it in a wrong way but I meant keep our own and draft or draft and get a few descent FA

 

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Don't think this is the case at all. In order to even have a vague shot at keeping KO, we would have to do one of two things:

1. Extend Flacco before FA begins, which is less than a month away.

2. Cut several players, including Monroe.

Moral of the story... if you are required to cut players in order to afford somebody or need to restructure/extend a large contract in order to afford somebody, that means, by definition, you can't currently afford them. You might be able to afford them when you need to, but I assure you that if we retain our top 3 FAs (KO, Tucker and Upshaw), we will have very, very, very little money to spend in FA. 

We're actually quite lucky in that we really don't have any high-priced UFAs this offseason. Our kicker is the second most expensive player for us to resign, and that'll cost $5M a year or less.

Next year gets a bit more complicated.

Correct me if I'm wrong but to my understanding a team signs free agents and then has a deadline to fit them in the cap for the new calendar year. its not like if you have 5 mil in cap you can't offer someone a 5.5 mil deal.

1- Lets keep Flacco's deal for another day because its a whole different discussion. But for simplicity lets just say Flacco frees up 3 mil in cap and i don't think thats a reach.

2- We have to cut players and rework some deals regardless. I see some players that are as good as gone but its just a matter of time till they are officially cut or whatever. the likes of Canty and Arrington come to mind. They are probably gone but the logic I'm after is "why would i cut him unless i need that money to allocate to another player. if i sign a guy then i cut him because if i cut him not and not sign the guy i wanted then i lose both."

You absolutely right that if we keep KO, Tucker, and Upshaw and not touch Flacco's contract and not touch webbs contract we won't have much money left. But here you are and you made assumptions but blame me for making other assumptions that could or could not be true. Were only talking in theory here and i usually respect your assumptions for the purpose of making a point wether i like them or not  and i sure as hell respect that you take the time and answer thoroughly

2 hours ago, jravens13 said:

We have don't have cap space, unless Flacco, Webb, and Monroe take a pay cut. Pitta needs to retire.

We have room to sign a few cheap vets on their last leg, but that is about it.

I truly believe that webb will take another pay cut or restructure saving us 2-3 mil in cap. Monroe on the other hand, it'll be tough because he has all the leverage at the moment. Flacco is a whole new discussion because he can free up 2 mil and upto 10. if he frees up 10 mil then problem solved but we will have a problem in the future. Pitta is the joker here. If we need to free cash then we will designate him as a post jun1 and free up 4.5 mil this year and 3 next year. If we don't need the cap this year then well just cut him and swallow all the dead cap this year freeing only 600k.

I never said were gonna go chase von miller or that we can. but we can sign a few 3 mil a year guys that will help drastically. and quite frankly i think thats all we need if we can keep KO, Tuck, and Aiken. with all the guys coming back from injuries.

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Good for you that you see the cap space, because, frankly, most of us dont...

stay with me here and i hope youll see it too lol I'm not saying we have much but we do have enough and we have options if we find a really nice deal.

1- According to estimates, we should have around 3 mil in free cap to start with.

2- For simplicity il say Flacco and Webb save 5 mil in cap space. That number could go up if we feel desperate and need more cap space but i hope we don't jeopardise our future for this.

3- In my books, Canty, Arrington, and levine are gone its just a matter of time. thats another 4.5 mil right there.

thats 12.5 Million and i see that as being the minimum coz Flacco and Pitta could

5- Elam, K.Lewis, Mallet, A.Brown, (4m) and D.Smith (2.5m) These guys are on their last straw it would be hard to let them go but if we need the cap space it can be made.

[fusuymada]

I agree that based on Ozzie's "history", he would as soon trade down or stay put than ever trade up, however, things haven't panned out as he has planned in recent years. Flyers on players like Elam and Brookes haven't panned out, Cody was a bust, Kindle and on down the line. I think if Ozzie had the scouting team he had 10 years ago, he wouldn't be making these errors in the draft, but we all know that the scouting department has been decimated as the Ravens success made them very attractive and able to sign lucrative deals with other teams. Ozzie may need to change things up because as the article states, Ozzie rarely moves up, but when he does, he knocks it out of the park. I think this is the year we should move up and grab Ramsey and knock it out of the park because both Harbaugh and Ozzie know just how much a hawking defensive back, like Ed Reed, can change a whole defense. How much we have missed the old Ed Reed can not ever be understated. And not only do I believe he needs to move up to get Ramsey, if Spence drops at all he needs to get off more draft picks, move back into the first and grab him too. If we had some good young developing players I would say sit tight, we can make it through, but we don't and we desperately need playmakers NOW! Failure to be very aggressive in this draft (since we know Ozzie wont touch high dollar free agents) will lead to another losing season. I will mark these words and I hope I have to eat them, but I think I am right.

[jravens13]

I wouldn't mind trading back in the 10-15 range. We could get more picks and still get a difference maker in that range. My hope is that we get a corner or pass rusher. Honestly, I want a pass rusher more than anything. We have options on our roster at corner, and could bring in a FA. Pass rusher is a different story. We will have a 34 year old coming off another serious injury, and another pass rusher over 30 as well. We need to infuse some youth coming off the edge. If we trade back, I think Spence could be a real possibility, or Hargraves from Florida. If we stay at 6, I'm sure we will still get a talented player. If we trade back, we could be talking 3 picks within the first 50 selections.

There are some great pass rushers that will fall to the 2nd Round. I would rather get and elite player (BPA) at No. 6 than trade back. Tunsil, Bosa, Jack, Smith, Ramsey, or Hargraves III.

Look at Kevin Dodd, Emmanuel Ogbah, Leonard Floyd, Josh Perry, Jon Bullard, Shaq Calhoun in Round 2. There will be plenty rushers available when we pick at No. 36.

[TorryGundy]

Also, I saw a mock draft who had us taking Myles Jack at 6. I would honestly love that pick. He can play inside or outside, and is great in coverage. Daryl Smith had a solid year again, but age began to show in coverage last year. Jack would be a great replacement for D. Smith after next year. Mosley and Jack together on the inside, with Jernagin and B. Williams up front....wow.

I would like that Pick too! But I think pass rusher is top priority. We have good young backers behind Darryl. Pass rusher and corner are needs, we cant afford not to nail.

[J.O.14]

12 minutes ago, jravens13 said:

There are some great pass rushers that will fall to the 2nd Round. I would rather get and elite player (BPA) at No. 6 than trade back. Tunsil, Bosa, Jack, Smith, Ramsey, or Hargraves III.

Look at Kevin Dodd, Emmanuel Ogbah, Leonard Floyd, Josh Perry, Jon Bullard, Shaq Calhoun in Round 2. There will be plenty rushers available when we pick at No. 36.

Understand what your saying, but if we trade back we could still possibly get Jack, Smith, or Hargraves while also getting another pick in the 2nd. I wouldn't mind what we do either way, because we are still getting very good players. If we trade though, we could get 3 players within the first two rounds who can make immediate impacts.

[RavensBaltimore]

  3 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Ramsey is not worth trading up for. He isn't even going to play CB in the NFL. He is much better suited, and more of an impact player at Safety, with the ability to move all over the field where he can line up at Nickel CB from time to time.

If we wan't the best CB in the draft, stay at 6, and let Vernon Hargraves III fall into our laps.

And we will not have the opportunity to draft the best CB in the draft for a very long time if we don't take a CB in the top 10 this year. It could forever be our achilles heel in the playoffs under the Harbaugh regime.

CB was only our achilles heel once in the playoffs, and that's because we had 5 of them on IR.

[TorryGundy]

I don't think restructuring Flacco is a given. I do think it will happen but Ozzie has prepared for life without doing it. It helps us in the long run if we restructure next year as we have to spread the money out anyway and Linta is not going to do us any favors. I think Joe does want weapons around him and has spoken up about it in the press, whereas he did not during his first contract negotiation.

[The Greek]

flacco has recently stated that he wants to win now and that you need the players to do so. he pointed to the receivers that the steelers have and he has said that he would restructure if the front office approached him to do so. if flacco believes that osemele is a key piece to the puzzle than he will restructure as much as is needed to make it happen. lets see what transpires this next month or so

[ravens4life86]

Just looking at Pick Value chart, if Ozzie did trade back from 6 to 12 thats a 400 point disparity in pick value. The saints pick by the way...maybe Ozzie could swap firsts and get 47th pick off Saints which is 430 point value.. only 30 point difference. Thats only way its worth it..is if you can get additional second.
Then still get Treadwell,Spence,Hargraves, etc with the 12th pick

[hen826957]

@ravens4life86 l only like that idea if Ramsey or Bosa is off the board. If they trade back and Ramsey or Bosa is still on the board l will be mad.

[billiejean]

pretty simple in my mind, if KO goes, Monroe is our LT, and then Urschel is our new LT, with Zuttah at Center, Yanda, and Wagner....Then we draft a LT later on, or sign a UDFA....Plus the Tackles from last year who will be invited to camp....

jennsen performed much better at LG than Urschel did

[billiejean]

Urschel played a lot during our SB winning season a Guard, before Zuttah got hurt he both right and Left Guard......He was ahead of Jensen on the depth chart as a Guard...

I wouldn't put to much stock into the depth chart. It was clear to everyone that jensen did very well at guard. Urshle gets beat a lot and doesn't have the tenacity that Jensen has.

[The Greek]

if the players we covet are off the board by #6 than i see a team like the saints #12 as a trade partner. if dallas bypasses a qb than the saints may want to ensure they get the #2 rated qb before other teams trade up to grab him. we would still grab a quality def player or maybe a receiver or LT like conklin plus gain an additional draft pick in the low 2nd or 3rd rd.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I never said we can do both. I said we have the option of keeping all of our own which is a luxury that we haven't had for a while. I may have said it in a wrong way but I meant keep our own and draft or draft and get a few descent FA

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but to my understanding a team signs free agents and then has a deadline to fit them in the cap for the new calendar year. its not like if you have 5 mil in cap you can't offer someone a 5.5 mil deal.

1- Lets keep Flacco's deal for another day because its a whole different discussion. But for simplicity lets just say Flacco frees up 3 mil in cap and i don't think thats a reach.

2- We have to cut players and rework some deals regardless. I see some players that are as good as gone but its just a matter of time till they are officially cut or whatever. the likes of Canty and Arrington come to mind. They are probably gone but the logic I'm after is "why would i cut him unless i need that money to allocate to another player. if i sign a guy then i cut him because if i cut him not and not sign the guy i wanted then i lose both."

You absolutely right that if we keep KO, Tucker, and Upshaw and not touch Flacco's contract and not touch webbs contract we won't have much money left. But here you are and you made assumptions but blame me for making other assumptions that could or could not be true. Were only talking in theory here and i usually respect your assumptions for the purpose of making a point wether i like them or not  and i sure as hell respect that you take the time and answer thoroughly

I truly believe that webb will take another pay cut or restructure saving us 2-3 mil in cap. Monroe on the other hand, it'll be tough because he has all the leverage at the moment. Flacco is a whole new discussion because he can free up 2 mil and upto 10. if he frees up 10 mil then problem solved but we will have a problem in the future. Pitta is the joker here. If we need to free cash then we will designate him as a post jun1 and free up 4.5 mil this year and 3 next year. If we don't need the cap this year then well just cut him and swallow all the dead cap this year freeing only 600k.

I never said were gonna go chase von miller or that we can. but we can sign a few 3 mil a year guys that will help drastically. and quite frankly i think thats all we need if we can keep KO, Tuck, and Aiken. with all the guys coming back from injuries.

stay with me here and i hope youll see it too lol I'm not saying we have much but we do have enough and we have options if we find a really nice deal.

1- According to estimates, we should have around 3 mil in free cap to start with.

2- For simplicity il say Flacco and Webb save 5 mil in cap space. That number could go up if we feel desperate and need more cap space but i hope we don't jeopardise our future for this.

3- In my books, Canty, Arrington, and levine are gone its just a matter of time. thats another 4.5 mil right there.

thats 12.5 Million and i see that as being the minimum coz Flacco and Pitta could

5- Elam, K.Lewis, Mallet, A.Brown, (4m) and D.Smith (2.5m) These guys are on their last straw it would be hard to let them go but if we need the cap space it can be made.

You're not accounting for RFA and ERFA tenders, which we will give out that cost cap space, and slotting in draft pick compensation, which will cost probably in the neighborhood of $3-4M. Those amounts are earmarked and are essentially already spent.

So basically, after tenders and draft pick earmarks, we're right at the salary cap. It means pretty much all of our cap space comes from cuts, extensions and restructurings.

Tucker is likely to get the tag in the next 2-3 weeks, and thus that's $4-5M spent right off the bat. 

I'm not really making any assumptions...I'm focused on the status quo. I'm operating under current contract terms...Flacco deal is unchanged and so is Webbs.

Maybe they change their deals, maybe they dont, but I also don't think either is happening before FA opens.

As far as your cuts, while there's plenty of guys we could cut, they are all depth guys who need to be replaced by other depth guys. We aren't filling 10 positions from the draft...we'd be lucky to fill 3-4.

Some of the cuts are obvious, and others, like cutting Mallett, make no sense, because his replacement will cost just as much. Not sure where you got your Art Brown $4M cut amount, but he saves less than $1M to cut. Pretty much same for Elam.

I think your cut list is way too long, and if they were to be cut, we'd be signing similar players at similar prices, not spending it on somebody like KO.

[ravenwildman]

Let's hope this years draft is a home run for years to come! The Ravens need a special one to set the next decade up sweet! GO RAVENS!

[Drew P]

5 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

Sorry guys... But picking at #6 is "almost" as good as it gets. To complain that the top draft picks will be gone at 6 is craziness...

I'm glad to see someone realizes the potential possibilities at #6. It's not like if Bosa and Ramsey are gone there aren't any immediate impact players left.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  6 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

pretty simple in my mind, if KO goes, Monroe is our LT, and then Urschel is our new LT, with Zuttah at Center, Yanda, and Wagner....Then we draft a LT later on, or sign a UDFA....Plus the Tackles from last year who will be invited to camp....

jennsen performed much better at LG than Urschel did

Yes, Urschel will be the starting center, maybe sooner than we think too. If KO goes, I am calling a LT drafted #1 overall for the eventual replacement of Monroe. Jesen can play LG not LT and played it well.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

I don't think restructuring Flacco is a given. I do think it will happen but Ozzie has prepared for life without doing it. It helps us in the long run if we restructure next year as we have to spread the money out anyway and Linta is not going to do us any favors. I think Joe does want weapons around him and has spoken up about it in the press, whereas he did not during his first contract negotiation.

While not a given, it's due to Ozzie wanting to see what options he has first. Why renegotiate if you don't need to. I mean he liked the contract when they wrote it up and signed it. Also never a bad idea to first understand the amounts you would need a new contract to fall under before you start negotiating either.

[purpledown]

Ravens will stay put or trade down.

[bioLarzen]

3 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

7 hours ago, budman said:

 

1- According to estimates, we should have around 3 mil in free cap to start with.

2- For simplicity il say Flacco and Webb save 5 mil in cap space. That number could go up if we feel desperate and need more cap space but i hope we don't jeopardise our future for this.

3- In my books, Canty, Arrington, and levine are gone its just a matter of time. thats another 4.5 mil right there.

thats 12.5 Million and i see that as being the minimum coz Flacco and Pitta could

5- Elam, K.Lewis, Mallet, A.Brown, (4m) and D.Smith (2.5m) These guys are on their last straw it would be hard to let them go but if we need the cap space it can be made.

Well, I don't think we should attempt to make serious prediction based on estimates

Edited February 16, 2016 by bioLarzen

[budman]

11 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Well, I don't think we should attempt to make serious prediction based on estimates

Very very true, Mr. Bio

[mettro79]

It amazes me that people are downplaying a #6 pick as if it will be impossible to improve our team with it, either by trading it for more picks or picking someone. I think we are in a very good position and I am excited to see what opportunities will present themselves come draft day.

[Maryland]

Trade down too far and you won't even get any of those suggested picks, namely Noah Spence or VH3. I would only take Stanley if we traded into the mid to late teens, for example. Ironically, with the Titans looking to trade down and target a DB, a trade up to #1 overall may actually be possible if the price is right.

[Halshayeji]

  14 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

  18 hours ago, budman said:

 

1- According to estimates, we should have around 3 mil in free cap to start with.

2- For simplicity il say Flacco and Webb save 5 mil in cap space. That number could go up if we feel desperate and need more cap space but i hope we don't jeopardise our future for this.

3- In my books, Canty, Arrington, and levine are gone its just a matter of time. thats another 4.5 mil right there.

thats 12.5 Million and i see that as being the minimum coz Flacco and Pitta could

5- Elam, K.Lewis, Mallet, A.Brown, (4m) and D.Smith (2.5m) These guys are on their last straw it would be hard to let them go but if we need the cap space it can be made.

Well, I don't think we should attempt to make serious prediction based on estimates

That's fair. It is that time of the year where I'd pay money to be in that room to witness Ozzie and Decosta in action.

[Halshayeji]

  14 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I never said we can do both. I said we have the option of keeping all of our own which is a luxury that we haven't had for a while. I may have said it in a wrong way but I meant keep our own and draft or draft and get a few descent FA

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but to my understanding a team signs free agents and then has a deadline to fit them in the cap for the new calendar year. its not like if you have 5 mil in cap you can't offer someone a 5.5 mil deal.

1- Lets keep Flacco's deal for another day because its a whole different discussion. But for simplicity lets just say Flacco frees up 3 mil in cap and i don't think thats a reach.

2- We have to cut players and rework some deals regardless. I see some players that are as good as gone but its just a matter of time till they are officially cut or whatever. the likes of Canty and Arrington come to mind. They are probably gone but the logic I'm after is "why would i cut him unless i need that money to allocate to another player. if i sign a guy then i cut him because if i cut him not and not sign the guy i wanted then i lose both."

You absolutely right that if we keep KO, Tucker, and Upshaw and not touch Flacco's contract and not touch webbs contract we won't have much money left. But here you are and you made assumptions but blame me for making other assumptions that could or could not be true. Were only talking in theory here and i usually respect your assumptions for the purpose of making a point wether i like them or not  and i sure as hell respect that you take the time and answer thoroughly

I truly believe that webb will take another pay cut or restructure saving us 2-3 mil in cap. Monroe on the other hand, it'll be tough because he has all the leverage at the moment. Flacco is a whole new discussion because he can free up 2 mil and upto 10. if he frees up 10 mil then problem solved but we will have a problem in the future. Pitta is the joker here. If we need to free cash then we will designate him as a post jun1 and free up 4.5 mil this year and 3 next year. If we don't need the cap this year then well just cut him and swallow all the dead cap this year freeing only 600k.

I never said were gonna go chase von miller or that we can. but we can sign a few 3 mil a year guys that will help drastically. and quite frankly i think thats all we need if we can keep KO, Tuck, and Aiken. with all the guys coming back from injuries.

stay with me here and i hope youll see it too lol I'm not saying we have much but we do have enough and we have options if we find a really nice deal.

1- According to estimates, we should have around 3 mil in free cap to start with.

2- For simplicity il say Flacco and Webb save 5 mil in cap space. That number could go up if we feel desperate and need more cap space but i hope we don't jeopardise our future for this.

3- In my books, Canty, Arrington, and levine are gone its just a matter of time. thats another 4.5 mil right there.

thats 12.5 Million and i see that as being the minimum coz Flacco and Pitta could

5- Elam, K.Lewis, Mallet, A.Brown, (4m) and D.Smith (2.5m) These guys are on their last straw it would be hard to let them go but if we need the cap space it can be made.

You're not accounting for RFA and ERFA tenders, which we will give out that cost cap space, and slotting in draft pick compensation, which will cost probably in the neighborhood of $3-4M. Those amounts are earmarked and are essentially already spent.

So basically, after tenders and draft pick earmarks, we're right at the salary cap. It means pretty much all of our cap space comes from cuts, extensions and restructurings.

Tucker is likely to get the tag in the next 2-3 weeks, and thus that's $4-5M spent right off the bat. 

I'm not really making any assumptions...I'm focused on the status quo. I'm operating under current contract terms...Flacco deal is unchanged and so is Webbs.

Maybe they change their deals, maybe they dont, but I also don't think either is happening before FA opens.

As far as your cuts, while there's plenty of guys we could cut, they are all depth guys who need to be replaced by other depth guys. We aren't filling 10 positions from the draft...we'd be lucky to fill 3-4.

Some of the cuts are obvious, and others, like cutting Mallett, make no sense, because his replacement will cost just as much. Not sure where you got your Art Brown $4M cut amount, but he saves less than $1M to cut. Pretty much same for Elam.

I think your cut list is way too long, and if they were to be cut, we'd be signing similar players at similar prices, not spending it on somebody like KO.

My bad, That 4 mil was for the 4 guys on that line combined not a.brown alone.

I totally forgot that K.aiken will count 2-3mil if we keep him.

Im not advocating letting go of mallet but it's just an option as his contract is not guaranteed.

I was also hoping we give Tucker an extension vs the Tag because it would reduce his cap hit to a lil above 2 mil this year vs 4.5

I only assumed so many guys are gone because we already have 56 guys under contract for next year. If we keep 4 of our free agents we have 60 and draft picks. I mean how are we gonna even keep them all?