NFL Combine Thread

[Wildabeast88]

26 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

This was a huge concern I had with Trae Waynes. Absolutely flew in the 40, but his short shuttle was slower than his 40 and I'm sure his three cone drill was well below average. Just confirmed the stiff player he was.

10th out of 13th in the cones even behind Gronkowski a FB so I agree with you totally. I wish others could see this and stop with drafting him in the 2nd that pick would be a waste

[gabefergy]

55 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the 40 yard dash is the most overrated drill unless someone really blows it terribly or kills it like Chris Johnson. 

Very rarely will an athlete really just run 40 yards in a straight line. I'm far more concerned with their 10 yard split and their shuttle drills since most routes will go about 10 yards and then feature some sort of change of direction. 

Plus, if a guy runs about a 4.5 40 in games (from your view), should it really surprise you or drop him if he runs a 4.5 40 at the combine? No, not at all. There are better measuring sticks. 

I'd only use it if you have similar grade on players and the other drills are close.

10yd split is definitely the most informative piece of info from the 40, but for WR I think the overall number matters too. It is a position where you have open field in front of you at times. Guys that can pull away are the difference between a TD or not. A 9 route is also in some cases just a foot race depending on the coverage.

[gabefergy]

40 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

This was a huge concern I had with Trae Waynes. Absolutely flew in the 40, but his short shuttle was slower than his 40 and I'm sure his three cone drill was well below average. Just confirmed the stiff player he was.

Henry is definitely well below average in the 3C and short shuttle. It's honestly what keeps him from being a top 10 pick, because if you have a player his size with his speed and explosiveness also having elite agility we are talking about Bo Jackson. His agility numbers aren't terrible for a player his size, but for the RB position it's a concern. He's a linear athlete, kinda like a rich man's tevin coleman.

[sflegend89]

Just now, Wildabeast88 said:

Henry was 10th out of 13 even behind Gronkowski a FB i totally agree with you. so can we please stop the draft Henry especially in the 2nd 

I think everyone should watch all his individual game tapes on youtube. There's this notion that he's just this tank of a RB who mows down everything in his path and that's just not the case. You would think the one area he would really shine is in short yardage and the amount of times he get's stopped short of the sticks on 3rd and short is surprising. I don't even dislike Henry as a prospect, there's a lot to like, but anyone who thinks he's worthy of a top 40 pick need to realize he's not the guy they seem to think he is. 

[gabefergy]

Doctson's numbers are extremely impressive, but it is important to note he only weighs 202 lbs, which is slight for a 6'2" player. I still think he's WR3 in this class and I doubt he falls to the 2nd round unfortunately.

[Clmraven]

21 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Didn't Taylor play in the 4-3?

Yeah he did for the most part but played a little LB later in his career IIRC

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I also think Doctson is a passive catcher. He made a career laying out for overthrown balls, but hasn't had to tenaciously pursue the ball the way a Tyler Boyd has had to. 

 

After some thought, I still have Boyd as my favorite wr, but fuller has grown on me quite a bit, he has as many tools as you could ask for, insane speed and length, great twitch and change of pace to stop and explode and catch dbs napping, and he's an actual hands catcher with good length. With a good NFL qb and coaches he could become special, I would love to see our offense with all that speed plus our TEs to handle the security blanket role. The 22 set would never leave the field and would be unstoppable and our wrs wouldn't have to run a route less than 15 yards deep if they didn't have to lol

When I rewatched Doctson's game tape I still confirmed some of the things like I initally thought, like being a passive catcher, but not as much as I had initially thought.  Fuller is having a very good day and he definitely caught my eye today.  Be interesting to see where he grades at the end of the combine comparatively to pre-combine. 

 

[ravensnation5220]

Just watched mackensie alexanders combine interview. Boy can that kid talk lol he is at no loss for words or confidence. So far the 2 most entertaining interviews are him and bosa. Bosa seems like a stoner surfer dude though lol

[Jacquouille]

I didn't watch the second group, but to me today's winner is clearly Fuller. He made me want to watch more film. Didn't watch any yet, because he was listed as a pure burner, something we already have in Perriman. But he also seems like a great catch and run target, Trestman would love that. Right now based on measurables and profile he makes me think of Jeremy Maclin. 

[RaineV1]

Braxton Miller was near the top for both the cone drill and 20 yard shuttle, showing off a lot of agility. Doctson also did well in the 20 yard shuttle.

[Dubs]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Thought the same on Thomas. I really like the guy, but he just seemed so erratic. 

agreed--I think his showing really hurt his stock. Would not be surprised if he makes it to the third round or later. he fell several times in route drills, during the gauntlet, was slow in the 40, was not impressed at any point and I am a big fan...I would take him in the third though.

 

Really not the best WR class at the top..I think tread well and Coleman are 1st round guys...Fuller, Sheppard, Doctson and Boyd I would place in the second...after that I am not sure who and where I lean and am not sure there are huge differences right now between third/fourth guys and fifth plus

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I also think Doctson is a passive catcher. He made a career laying out for overthrown balls, but hasn't had to tenaciously pursue the ball the way a Tyler Boyd has had to. 

 

After some thought, I still have Boyd as my favorite wr, but fuller has grown on me quite a bit, he has as many tools as you could ask for, insane speed and length, great twitch and change of pace to stop and explode and catch dbs napping, and he's an actual hands catcher with good length. With a good NFL qb and coaches he could become special, I would love to see our offense with all that speed plus our TEs to handle the security blanket role. The 22 set would never leave the field and would be unstoppable and our wrs wouldn't have to run a route less than 15 yards deep if they didn't have to lol

Always liked fuller!! I like Robinson as well in mid rounds.  I like Coleman and fuller best. Peake looks good. And Treadwell. Rest are one dimensional. So what he drops the ball sometimes. Doctson and Boyd are not very good after the catch. Same for Thomas

[allblackraven]

Heath Evans is the most idiotic idiot of all the idiots in the world.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, gabefergy said:

10yd split is definitely the most informative piece of info from the 40, but for WR I think the overall number matters too. It is a position where you have open field in front of you at times. Guys that can pull away are the difference between a TD or not. A 9 route is also in some cases just a foot race depending on the coverage.

I'm still more concerned with the 10 yard split because of the depth of most routes and the ability to win in the first few yards being so vital. Sure, I'll give it that in an open field foot race, it'll matter, but this doesn't happen nearly enough for me to place it way high on my value list, personally.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, gabefergy said:

Henry is definitely well below average in the 3C and short shuttle. It's honestly what keeps him from being a top 10 pick, because if you have a player his size with his speed and explosiveness also having elite agility we are talking about Bo Jackson. His agility numbers aren't terrible for a player his size, but for the RB position it's a concern. He's a linear athlete, kinda like a rich man's tevin coleman.

Well, I've honestly never questioned ability to get downfield when he's got a full head of steam. I've just seriously questioned if he has the agility and the ability to laterally change direction and comfortably put himself in that position to get a full head of steam and get downfield.

[jazz1988]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Didn't Taylor play in the 4-3?

He did play in 4-3 defense for most of his career  but he also played outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense for The Dolphins in 2009 and  in 2010 when he was with The Jets. He didn't have double digit sack numbers but was still a productive pass rusher.

Edited February 28, 2016 by jazz1988

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, Clmraven said:

Yeah he did for the most part but played a little LB later in his career IIRC

Oh, no, I thought he was a 4-3 OLB is what I was saying.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, jazz1988 said:

He did play in 4-3 defense for most of his career  but he also played outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense for The Dolphins in 2009 and  in 2010 when he was with The Jets. He didn't have double digit sack numbers but was still a productive pass rusher.

See the above question

[jazz1988]

6 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Couldn't disagree more about the speed part. Perriman brings enough to the table in that regard. We need someone reliable. And I think Boyd could be just that in round two. 

But what if Perriman gets hurt and has to miss some games? Unless Chris Givens is re-signed what wide receiver The Ravens currently have that can provide speed other than Perriman? Atleast if Steve Smith is out for some games The Ravens can trust Kamar Aiken to step up and play a similar role especially since the guy had 900+ receiving yards catching like 59 percent of his passes..

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Heath Evans is the most idiotic idiot of all the idiots in the world.

What did he say this time?

[Sizzlebshu]

If Treadwell runs 4.6 at his pro day, I think he could realistically fall to Baltimore in the 2nd. Would baltimore view him as draftable, an entirely different story. 

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

What did he say this time?

How Ozzie would never pay Joe 20/year if he could go back in time and reconsider, because that hurt our team big time.

[Moderator 3]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Heath Evans is the most idiotic idiot of all the idiots in the world.

I think moderators should have the power to up-vote a post as many times as we want.

[BmoreBird22]

31 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

I think moderators should have the power to up-vote a post as many times as we want.

I never use the up vote button, but I did there.

[ALPHA]

8 hours ago, gabefergy said:

Nope, it's what the film showed, which is why I have said he is a 2nd rounder all along.

Isn't that what Antonio Brown ran? it's a slower class but some of these guys could still be studs.

Also, in regards to heights are measurables taken even if they don't run at the combine?

[GrimCoconut]

9 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Isn't that what Antonio Brown ran? it's a slower class but some of these guys could still be studs.

Also, in regards to heights are measurables taken even if they don't run at the combine?

I may be wrong here, but I don't think Brown ran the 40. 

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I may be wrong here, but I don't think Brown ran the 40. 

He did - 4.47. I know because I watched it on youtube the other day.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

He did - 4.47. I know because I watched it on youtube the other day.

Well, if you say so then I'll believe you. I just don't recall it at all. I remember trying going back to watch those things a year ago to see if I could see anything there, too. Can you link me?

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

Well, if you say so then I'll believe you. I just don't recall it at all. I remember trying going back to watch those things a year ago to see if I could see anything there, too. Can you link me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4HVorkE_7o

Sorry, thought I did

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4HVorkE_7o

Sorry, thought I did

Thanks a lot. I see this was recently uploaded. Lol, now I know why I struggled to find it before. I appreciate it. 

Man, watching him in the gauntlets I'm surprised he didn't get a little more hype in his class. It wasn't that good of a WR class.