NFL Combine Thread

[Clmraven]

IMO we could use another receiver with some speed, and right now there doesn't seem to be many. Gotta be one of the slowest groups I've seen in years

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Couldn't disagree more about the speed part. Perriman brings enough to the table in that regard. We need someone reliable. And I think Boyd could be just that in round two. 

[52520Andrew]

Very slow WR group, still some good players but a drop from what we have seen the past 2 years. 

[52520Andrew]

Doctson is a guy who I think did well for himself today, probably pushed himself into the late first round

[RavensFanMania]

@gabefergy  As I said, I needed to watch more tape, and I watched a couple of his games and this is what I came up with.

He has a very good feel for the game, very good at creating space even though he's a 4.5 guy.  He's excellent at working back to the QB and in most instances he is good at selling the route.   Good at drivin

• Good driving off the los. 
• very good at creating space, even though he's a 4.5 guy
• Excellent working back to the QB, something that is lacking in the game today
• Very good at selling routes

I'd definitely be ok with Doctson or Boyd in the 2nd, but my favorite is Sterling Shepard, because he'll provide a great value.  Anyone who hasn't seen his game tape needs to watch it.  This is the type of player we need in the slot and what Camp could be if he stayed healthy. 

[sflegend89]

1 hour ago, Italian Raven said:

 

Cajuste is 6'4 and visibly taller than Doc.

The draft card lists him at 6'2 which makes more sense to me.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Josh-Doctson?id=2555343

 

This one lists him at 6'3 with all his up to date combine numbers as well, odd

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/josh-doctson?id=2555343

[RaineV1]

Keep in mind that 40 times aren't everything. I think we would all like to have a receiver like Jarvis Landry. He ran a 4.65 at the combine and a 4.51 at his pro day.

[JoeyFlex5]

I also think Doctson is a passive catcher. He made a career laying out for overthrown balls, but hasn't had to tenaciously pursue the ball the way a Tyler Boyd has had to. 

 

After some thought, I still have Boyd as my favorite wr, but fuller has grown on me quite a bit, he has as many tools as you could ask for, insane speed and length, great twitch and change of pace to stop and explode and catch dbs napping, and he's an actual hands catcher with good length. With a good NFL qb and coaches he could become special, I would love to see our offense with all that speed plus our TEs to handle the security blanket role. The 22 set would never leave the field and would be unstoppable and our wrs wouldn't have to run a route less than 15 yards deep if they didn't have to lol

[BmoreBird22]

I think the 40 yard dash is the most overrated drill unless someone really blows it terribly or kills it like Chris Johnson. 

Very rarely will an athlete really just run 40 yards in a straight line. I'm far more concerned with their 10 yard split and their shuttle drills since most routes will go about 10 yards and then feature some sort of change of direction. 

Plus, if a guy runs about a 4.5 40 in games (from your view), should it really surprise you or drop him if he runs a 4.5 40 at the combine? No, not at all. There are better measuring sticks. 

I'd only use it if you have similar grade on players and the other drills are close.

[RavensFan34950]

Just tuned in. How did Treadwell do so far?

[Deflated Football]

If Tread runs a 4.6 or slower at his pro day, I could see a huge slide, a la Alshon. If this were the case, please snag him with our second pick 

 

...wishful thinking 

[Challenge Accepted]

1 minute ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Just tuned in. How did Treadwell do so far?

Good hands and routes, as expected. However, DNP in the 40 yard dash and had average numbers in the vert and broad.

[RaineV1]

1 minute ago, Deflated Football said:

If Tread runs a 4.6 or slower at his pro day, I could see a huge slide, a la Alshon. If this were the case, please snag him with our second pick 

 

...wishful thinking 

I can't see him sliding to the 2nd. The absolute farthest he'd slide would be to the Chiefs. If by some miracle they pass on him, then it's possible he goes to the 2nd.

[RavensFan34950]

2 minutes ago, Challenge Accepted said:

Good hands and routes, as expected. However, DNP in the 40 yard dash and had average numbers in the vert and broad.

Thanks. Still hope we go defense in the first round though.

[52520Andrew]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the 40 yard dash is the most overrated drill unless someone really blows it terribly or kills it like Chris Johnson. 

Very rarely will an athlete really just run 40 yards in a straight line. I'm far more concerned with their 10 yard split and their shuttle drills since most routes will go about 10 yards and then feature some sort of change of direction. 

Plus, if a guy runs about a 4.5 40 in games (from your view), should it really surprise you or drop him if he runs a 4.5 40 at the combine? No, not at all. There are better measuring sticks. 

I'd only use it if you have similar grade on players and the other drills are close.

Yeah I look at the 40 more to confirm what I saw on film. Only problem I have is if someone runs much slower or faster than I thought.

[Clmraven]

Leonard Flyod measured in at 6'5.5" 244lbs, nice to see he put on weight but man he's taller than I expected, I never saw him listed taller than 6'4" no wonder he looked so thin on tape.

[Wildabeast88]

4 hours ago, ALI624 said:

Yea me either I leave that to much smarter people.

Haven't found 10 yard splits but Henry had the 2nd slowest 20 yard shuttle which also shows he is a little slow in acceleration and changing direction which is a red flag to me

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Haven't found 10 yard splits but Henry had the 2nd slowest 20 yard shuttle which also shows he is a little slow in acceleration and changing direction which is a red flag to me

This was a huge concern I had with Trae Waynes. Absolutely flew in the 40, but his short shuttle was slower than his 40 and I'm sure his three cone drill was well below average. Just confirmed the stiff player he was.

[Wildabeast88]

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Anyone disappointed by Boyd's time? 4.59

 

I am

That was pretty much expected mid 4.5-mid 4.6 but all the WRs are slow this year. Boyd is a solid route runner with good hands not going to gt much separation very Boldin like

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

Leonard Flyod measured in at 6'5.5" 244lbs, nice to see he put on weight but man he's taller than I expected, I never saw him listed taller than 6'4" no wonder he looked so thin on tape.

 

At that weight, you'd likely wanna see 15 more pounds. I wonder how this affects his 40 to have his weight so up.

And speaking of measuring in taller than listed, Coleman did this and was over 5'11", I believe. That'll really help him.

[Italian Raven]

34 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

 

This one lists him at 6'3 with all his up to date combine numbers as well, odd

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/josh-doctson?id=2555343

oh ok.. interesting.

However, I saw Doc next to Cajuste while switching from one drill to another and really noticed the difference. 

[Wildabeast88]

1 hour ago, L.A.Ravens said:

I don't see a WR going in the first 15. The 40's today were horrible. Fuller put up a 4.32 that's the best in the combine for WR. Everyone else considered top 5 WR ran a 5.8+. A lot of players are going to drop. Braxton Miller's hype is over with that 4.50. Well get him with 4th round comp pick, if not him someone other wide receiver. There's only one wide receiver I would consider with our first 2 rounds and that's Fuller.

Fuller and Perriman are the exact same player I will pass or someone more like Boyd or Doctson 

[Clmraven]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

At that weight, you'd likely wanna see 15 more pounds. I wonder how this affects his 40 to have his weight so up.

And speaking of measuring in taller than listed, Coleman did this and was over 5'11", I believe. That'll really help him.

Id like to see him gain some weight too, but on the other hand at 244lbs he has almost identical measurables as Jason Taylor, along with great athleticism, could be that type of player.

[sflegend89]

I seriously don't understand how anyone could want to spend what is essentially a late 1st round pick on Derrick Henry. Definitely a great athlete but the issues are prevalent when you watch his game tape. Runs stiff, high center of gravity, high pad level, not a top 40 pick. I see the appeal, great raw athleticism for sure, but he's a guy who's game could end up not translating well to the NFL. If those issues didn't already make you a little weary realize Nick Saban didn't care about preserving the tread on his tires, they only have these kids for 3-4 years, it's all short term to them,  their goal was to win a National Title and they ran him into the ground last year. 395 carries in a season is a career shortening amount of volume and history proves that.

I say it every time Henry comes up, he is going to take a beating in the NFL at his height, with his upright running style, and he's a guy who has to get a high volume of carries to be effective, he's not a game breaker, he's a workhorse. People need to realize that the running game is far more about the OL than the RB.. We have so many holes at other high end positions and people want to roll the dice on one of the riskiest prospects at a devalued position with a top 40 pick ... it's just not good value.

[Wildabeast88]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

I disagree, though I never considered Miller a 2nd or 3rd, his athleticism is what was going to carry him into a day 2 pick. If he underperforms at the combine it will hurt him badly. He doesn't have good production and barely knows the WR position, he'll all potential and his athleticism is a huge part of that. Underwhelming numbers will hurt his stock at least until his pro day.

The numbers were underwhelming because of the Ohio St system if you watched the senior bowl he was constantly beating the CBs there Miller will be fine and a day 2 pick

[charchboii]

2 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

Id like to see him gain some weight too, but on the other hand at 244lbs he has almost identical measurables as Jason Taylor, along with great athleticism, could be that type of player.

244lbs is minimum weight for a 3-4 outside linebacker. I for one have no problem with his weight because his first step is out of this world. And I think he is a better prospect than Mingo and Dion Jordan 

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, gabefergy said:

Michael Thomas did not look great in the Gauntlet. Treadwell had a drop too, but looked a lot smoother.

Thought the same on Thomas. I really like the guy, but he just seemed so erratic. 

[BmoreBird22]

17 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

Id like to see him gain some weight too, but on the other hand at 244lbs he has almost identical measurables as Jason Taylor, along with great athleticism, could be that type of player.

Didn't Taylor play in the 4-3?

[Wildabeast88]

16 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

 

Henry was 10th out of 13 even behind Gronkowski a FB i totally agree with you. so can we please stop the draft Henry especially in the 2nd 

[ravensnation5220]

Really likr what i saw from sterling sheppard, did an excellent job in the gauntlet and posted better then expected numbers. Already liked him and probably secured himself a second round pick. Will fuller also really helped himself out. Showed great speed which we knew he had but he looked fluid in pass catching which i was really looking at.