NFL Combine Thread

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

Yea i love it when the "scouts" on this page analyze every mini aspect on this page and seem to have issues with every player but Tunsil. This is my first year following this forum but I would've loved to see what people had to say about studs that've been drafted these past few years that were reaches or lacked this part of their game etc. Often I see people promoting how people are finally starting to like the same guy as them, yet since before playoffs everyones opinion has changed about 5 times and each time they're just as convinced, if not more that the new guy is the one the Ravens NEED to get etc. Within hours after the senior bowl Spence was the guy, now he's not. Treadwell is the best pick, now he's not. 

This year has been worse than ever in that regard.  I feel like it's the pressure that comes with what hopefully is out last top 10 pick for a long time.  It's an important year to hit that, and like Grim said, I think people are overanalyzing every prospect for the most part.  I think a lot of people are forgetting that there are very few sure things.  The draft is always a risk.  With that being said, I will say the flip flopping from some has been ridiculous.

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

This year has been worse than ever in that regard.  I feel like it's the pressure that comes with what hopefully is out last top 10 pick for a long time.  It's an important year to hit that, and like Grim said, I think people are overanalyzing every prospect for the most part.  I think a lot of people are forgetting that there are very few sure things.  The draft is always a risk.  With that being said, I will say the flip flopping from some has been ridiculous.

I've said it a few times now, but I sometimes have to check to make sure the Ravens are still picking 6th overall. I often wondered if we traded back with the Panthers and I didn't know it. 

[Inqui]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I've said it a few times now, but I sometimes have to check to make sure the Ravens are still picking 6th overall. I often wondered if we traded back with the Panthers and I didn't know it. 

I thought you knew about that trade? We got Ed Dickson back.

[Clmraven]

37 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

Yea i love it when the "scouts" on this page analyze every mini aspect on this page and seem to have issues with every player but Tunsil. This is my first year following this forum but I would've loved to see what people had to say about studs that've been drafted these past few years that were reaches or lacked this part of their game etc. Often I see people promoting how people are finally starting to like the same guy as them, yet since before playoffs everyones opinion has changed about 5 times and each time they're just as convinced, if not more that the new guy is the one the Ravens NEED to get etc. Within hours after the senior bowl Spence was the guy, now he's not. Treadwell is the best pick, now he's not. 

This is so true, there has been a lot of flip floppers on the board, I for the most part try to stick with guys, although I must admit I've soured a bit on some of the receivers I like after really bad 40s. 

 

But I think the over analyzing partly comes from the fact that we were pretty much done for the season by week 8, so a lot of us got a head start on watching college film, I know I started watching game tape way earlier than I usually do.

[Clmraven]

5 hours ago, Winchester said:

The Broncos were still paying a QB big money so that is no excuse. Elway just managed the cap better. Resigning their players while active in free agency.  While psying an expendive qb. Give credit for having impact players on rookie contracts!! The ravens payed all the wrong players early and left the better players to hit free agency. Now the best guard in the league is hitting free agency while Ozzie franchises his kicker lol. The ravens would love to have to have to sign von Miller. the only edge rusher drafted in last 4 drafts is Upshaw. 

I don't believe I ever used the QB excuse Manning was still getting big money. I just said they're probably gonna overpay osweiler.

 

and I think you may be a little too obsessed with KO, he's a beast but he is not the best guard in the league and franchising him would be idiotic, sure he might be able to play LT, but then again is 4 games enough to say for sure?

[Winchester]

This is why you pay your round1 and round 2 and third pick  and move up for a Kalil Mack or Amari Cooper. The role players the ravens lose out on  come a dime a dozen. Game changing building blocks have to be drafted. Players like that rearely hit free agency and ravens would not pay anyways. It is why the ravens have no impact players. 

[allblackraven]

45 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

This year has been worse than ever in that regard.  I feel like it's the pressure that comes with what hopefully is out last top 10 pick for a long time.  It's an important year to hit that, and like Grim said, I think people are overanalyzing every prospect for the most part.  I think a lot of people are forgetting that there are very few sure things.  The draft is always a risk.  With that being said, I will say the flip flopping from some has been ridiculous.

I hate to even imagine how it would be if we needed a quarterback, too.

[52520Andrew]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I was more referring to the fact that NFL Network put him in that frame with Miller and Mack.  I can't stand when they do that.

To be fair to them, once Spence ran those drills they pointed out the big difference in that each player did. Did a simulcam of Mack, Miller, and Spence in the 40 and it was pretty clear.

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, Batcerb said:

VH3 looked fantastic in the drills, very sharp - spoke well in the interview I watched. 

If Ramsey and Jack are gone at 6, I think he should be our pick. For me he left nothing in question, he simply is fighting it out with Ramsey for #1 CB. Quality ++++++

I expected he would do well. Still and have always felt he will be in play for us at 6. I think he falls within that 8-10 range for us, which makes him a good possibility for us. He's still my guy, especially considering the news about Jaylon Smith.

[JoeyFlex5]

22 minutes ago, Winchester said:

This is why you pay your round1 and round 2 and third pick  and move up for a Kalil Mack or Amari Cooper. The role players the ravens lose out on  come a dime a dozen. Game changing building blocks have to be drafted. Players like that rearely hit free agency and ravens would not pay anyways. It is why the ravens have no impact players. 

As often as I disagree with you.. You have a good point here. 

 

Although you can also make the argument for parity, it's not easy to find that caliber of player and it's not easy to keep good players under contract when you win so often

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, Clmraven said:

I don't believe I ever used the QB excuse Manning was still getting big money. I just said they're probably gonna overpay osweiler.

 

and I think you may be a little too obsessed with KO, he's a beast but he is not the best guard in the league and franchising him would be idiotic, sure he might be able to play LT, but then again is 4 games enough to say for sure?

You do not think he is the best guard in the league?? Watch the contract he gets!! It will dwarf the recent top guards to hit the market. He is the most feared olineman in the league during locker room talk. His contract will reflect it. And you franchise him for leverage for a long contract. Franchising the kicker was real brilliant. What is your preference at left tackle?? Eugene Monroe??

[RavensDieHard21]

12 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

The depth at DB is amazing as is the depth on the D-line. That kind of makes me feel that the Ravens are going to shore up on an elite talent in other need areas where depth is lacking. Just makes sense from a strategic perspective. In that light who do you guys think the Ravens target? My sense is if either Tunsil or Stanley is available, we may go that route or even a Treasdwell doesn’t seem unlikely with that in mind.

The way way the draft stacks up I see Stanley being realistic, but Treadwell will not make it past 20. Many teams such as LA, Buffalo, and Det will need a WR and cash in.

[RavensDieHard21]

8 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

He might be gone when we pick actually.

the chances that the Jags take him are slim, but you never know. Best part of being at #6 is there are many top talents and we will get one and even if it is Hargreaves I will be ecstatic to see him paired up with Jimmy.

[RavensDieHard21]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Where do you all think William Jackson ends up after his sub 4.4 40? I loved him for our second round pick before and I like Him there even more now as I was expecting a mid 4.4 range, but will he be there? I'm also a fan of spriggs there

Post combine a couple of NFL analyst predicted he would be a perfect round 2 pick for us while other though he cashed his ticket for round 1. It will be iffy as I think that Ramsey, Hargreaves, Alexander all go off the board then I think he might even be ahead of Apple now, or close in value, so Pitt might take him or Carolina could as well. I am hoping he is there because his play is great and his speed and size are perfect to pair with Jimmy to give us attitude in the secondary.

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Thank you.

 

Eh, I'm not sure about that. I reallyyyyy want Doctson in the second if he slides. VH3, Bosa, Buckner or Stanley is who I think we'll get at 6.

Boyd I realistically think would be more ideal as he would most likely be there and not cost us any trading up. His hands are unreal and with the amount of drops we had this past season, we certainly could use some consistency, that is if Jackson III is gone and no other top talent is there, but for WR, I am a huge Boyd fan. 

[ellicottraven]

14 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Boyd I realistically think would be more ideal as he would most likely be there and not cost us any trading up. His hands are unreal and with the amount of drops we had this past season, we certainly could use some consistency, that is if Jackson III is gone and no other top talent is there, but for WR, I am a huge Boyd fan. 

I expect at least 3 if not 4 receivers to go in the 1st. Treadwell, Coleman, Doctson and potentially one other WR will be gone by the time we pick.

[RavensDieHard21]

50 minutes ago, Winchester said:

You do not think he is the best guard in the league?? Watch the contract he gets!! It will dwarf the recent top guards to hit the market. He is the most feared olineman in the league during locker room talk. His contract will reflect it. And you franchise him for leverage for a long contract. Franchising the kicker was real brilliant. What is your preference at left tackle?? Eugene Monroe??

I don't doubt that defenders fear him as I think that he is a top 3 guard in run blocking and has the strength to put defenders of all sizes and abilities on their backs while he is in pass protection, but I think Yanda still is the most respected and feared. And you do have a point that he will get paid as he is the top lineman on the market and many many teams had atrocious offensive lines, including playoff teams like the Patriots, Broncos, Packers, but those teams are winners and don't have that kind of money. For that reason, we will have to beware semi-decent teams that have a lot of cap, such as the eagles and niners who had pretty terrible lines in 2015.

[RavensDieHard21]

Has anyone else concludes that Ogbah significantly boosted his stock and that Floyd with an extra ten pounds could become a tremendous pass rusher? They both showed explosiveness that typically translates to being able to take down the Quarterback, but I am wondering how much their stock has rised. I was praying Ogbah would have a mediocre combine so we could get him in the second...chances now I think are zero. 

[Davesta]

51 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I expect at least 3 if not 4 receivers to go in the 1st. Treadwell, Coleman, Doctson and potentially one other WR will be gone by the time we pick.

Fuller prolly

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, Winchester said:

This is why you pay your round1 and round 2 and third pick  and move up for a Kalil Mack or Amari Cooper. The role players the ravens lose out on  come a dime a dozen. Game changing building blocks have to be drafted. Players like that rearely hit free agency and ravens would not pay anyways. It is why the ravens have no impact players. 

I do wish we would move up more, this has been my biggest complaint about Oz.  When we moved out of the first round and took Upshaw, I was unhappy to say the least.  I don't know if we could have afforded to move up from the mid 20s to get a guy like Mack, that forfeits depth which is very important.  But moving into the mid to low teens id be ok with.  The Pitta and Rice contract really hurt us (I was ok with Rice), but we never go after big guys as you stated, but keeping role players would have been nice.  I haven't followed McPhee that much but im sure he would of been nice to keep.  Most of the time the money players get when the leave Baltimore warrants us not paying someone imo, our system has been shown to produce great players, in our system, now we are struggling with the lack of elite talent anywhere

[Clmraven]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

You do not think he is the best guard in the league?? Watch the contract he gets!! It will dwarf the recent top guards to hit the market. He is the most feared olineman in the league during locker room talk. His contract will reflect it. And you franchise him for leverage for a long contract. Franchising the kicker was real brilliant. What is your preference at left tackle?? Eugene Monroe??

He's not even the best guard on this team.

[DomMcRaven]

2 hours ago, Clmraven said:

He's not even the best guard on this team.

Who's Marshall Yanda?

[ludy51]

Ramsey looked really good.

 

I'm gonna be so depressed after Jax takes him at 5 aren't I?

[DomMcRaven]

3 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

Ramsey looked really good.

 

I'm gonna be so depressed after Jax takes him at 5 aren't I?

And the worse part? We play the Jags this coming season. Same goes with the Cowboys. 

[ludy51]

1 minute ago, DomMcRaven said:

And the worse part? We play the Jags this coming season. Same goes with the Cowboys. 

It'll be like when Marcus Peters got his pick-six

[Edgar]

12 hours ago, Winchester said:

This is why you pay your round1 and round 2 and third pick  and move up for a Kalil Mack or Amari Cooper. The role players the ravens lose out on  come a dime a dozen. Game changing building blocks have to be drafted. Players like that rearely hit free agency and ravens would not pay anyways. It is why the ravens have no impact players. 

If you trade away picks to jump far ahead you had better hit.

[Edgar]

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I do wish we would move up more, this has been my biggest complaint about Oz.  When we moved out of the first round and took Upshaw, I was unhappy to say the least.  I don't know if we could have afforded to move up from the mid 20s to get a guy like Mack, that forfeits depth which is very important.  But moving into the mid to low teens id be ok with.  The Pitta and Rice contract really hurt us (I was ok with Rice), but we never go after big guys as you stated, but keeping role players would have been nice.  I haven't followed McPhee that much but im sure he would of been nice to keep.  Most of the time the money players get when the leave Baltimore warrants us not paying someone imo, our system has been shown to produce great players, in our system, now we are struggling with the lack of elite talent anywhere

We would have sacrificed Mosley and Jernigan to go up and get Mack. 

[sflegend89]

 

13 hours ago, Winchester said:

This is why you pay your round1 and round 2 and third pick  and move up for a Kalil Mack or Amari Cooper. The role players the ravens lose out on  come a dime a dozen. Game changing building blocks have to be drafted. Players like that rearely hit free agency and ravens would not pay anyways. It is why the ravens have no impact players. 

I agree with that sentiment but when you're picking in the late 20's there's no way you can trade up for the impact players of the draft without shipping off a future 1st round pick, The one year we had decent draft position in recent memory we hit it out of the park with Mosley. We're more so a victim of our own success in the draft than a lack of willingness to move up. 

[ngatainmyhouse]

52 minutes ago, Edgar said:

We would have sacrificed Mosley and Jernigan to go up and get Mack. 

I would be more than okay with that

[sflegend89]

Worth the watch in case you missed it, had one rep where he got off the hash but he absolutely killed the rest of the drills. Silky smooth back pedal, great hips/transitions, and unreal ball skills. Legitimately caught the ball better than some WR's. Just looked head and shoulders above every DB not named Jalen Ramsey. Seriously impressed with him and I think Ozzie/Eric/Scouts were as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcg4QZRJAD4