NFL Combine Thread

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

Nah I was talking about their faces.

Lmao ohhhhh ok

[gabefergy]

39 minutes ago, lgcs27288 said:

Is there a reason you left off Dumervil? He's 5'11"/255...

I was talking about drafted players, but signing Dumervil just re-affirms my point. Yes, he's shorter but he also was pretty widely viewed as a far better fit as a weakside 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. The Ravens didn't care because he's a great pass-rusher. Dumervil isn't at his best dropping into coverage, but he still does it at times without being a huge liability. It's not like we are asking our OLBs to cover TEs man to man with any kind of frequency, that's the job of the ILB or Safety in our scheme.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, gabefergy said:

I was talking about drafted players, but signing Dumervil just re-affirms my point. Yes, he's shorter but he also was pretty widely viewed as a far better fit as a weakside 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. The Ravens didn't care because he's a great pass-rusher. Dumervil isn't at his best dropping into coverage, but he still does it at times without being a huge liability. It's not like we are asking our OLBs to cover TEs man to man with any kind of frequency, that's the job of the ILB or Safety in our scheme.

Thank you. Why do people say bosa doesn't belong here because he hasn't covered in college? In the rare occasion our rush LB is in coverage, he does a quick zone drop to plug up a throwing lane or he rolls out and prevents the screen, and it's usually done for the sake of mixing it up and not being predictable. 

 

We are not drafting bosa to cover TEs, we are drafting bosa to pass rush and play the run. Suggs only covers on occasion and by keeping a low count in coverage snaps he has been made very efficient, often batting screens and quick slants and he does this by simply standing up instead of rushing, bosa absolutely is capable of this and would be good at it thanks to his reach and height and great reaction.

[Ravens4Real]

Is there video out there of Bosa going up against a NFL caliber Tackle? Most of his sacks are generated from an inside rush and we don't really need more Dlineman. I'd like to see if this kid actually beat up a player who could actually start in the NFL.

I don't really follow Big Ten football. Penn State and Michigan I do know that their offensive lines are just atrocious. How many lines in the Big Ten are valid measuring points? How well did he do in bowl games against better competition?

[Ravens4Real]

Just watched every play from their National Championship two years ago. There are some concerns.

Oregons RT did a great job on him in pass block. I know it's hard to judge completely because of Oregons fast pace but he stood around too much. 

Also, there are too many times where he is laying on the turf when it looks like no one even forced him there. Looks like he has poor balance. 

He generated a lot more pressure when lined up on the right side of the defense.

Was poor at getting off blocks in the run game.

He does make a couple splash plays that help out the highlight reel. I'm just worried what he is doing on all the other plays.

Also watched their MSU game from this past year. Bosa does struggle to get off blocks in the run game.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[Willbacker]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Where do you all think William Jackson ends up after his sub 4.4 40? I loved him for our second round pick before and I like Him there even more now as I was expecting a mid 4.4 range, but will he be there? I'm also a fan of spriggs there

Ive been pegging this guy for a while so its nice to see he did good at the combine. No doubt in my mind that he's gonna be a solid corner in the pros. Hoping and praying he falls to us.

I see the Broncos possibly taking Spriggs.

[gabefergy]

35 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Is there video out there of Bosa going up against a NFL caliber Tackle? Most of his sacks are generated from an inside rush and we don't really need more Dlineman. I'd like to see if this kid actually beat up a player who could actually start in the NFL.

I don't really follow Big Ten football. Penn State and Michigan I do know that their offensive lines are just atrocious. How many lines in the Big Ten are valid measuring points? How well did he do in bowl games against better competition?

He absolutely destroyed Rob Havenstein who was the Rams best OL this past year. I'm pretty sure he has played some pretty solid OTs in the Big Ten. Michigan State, Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin always seem to have solid NFL prospects.

 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2016 by gabefergy

[sflegend89]

2 hours ago, gabefergy said:

I don't know what type of body-type you think the Ravens are looking for in a 3-4 OLB, but Bosa fits the mold more closely than Spence based off their history of picking OLBs.

Terrell Suggs was 6'3"/263 pounds

Paul Kruger was 6'4"/263 pounds

Courtney Upshaw was 6'2"/272 pounds

Pernell McPhee was 6'3"/278 pounds

Joey Bosa is 6'5"/269 pounds which is right in line with previous Ravens OLBs.

They clearly prefer bigger OLBs, so in reality Spence who is listed at 6'2"/251 would be the outlier, not Bosa.

Given the fact that Bosa fared considerably better in agility tests and has similar speed despite weighing 20 pounds more, I fail to see how Bosa doesn't fit the profile for OLB but Spence does. 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

I think Bosa can absolutely transition to being a 3-4 OLB, he may not have the ideal body type but he makes up for it with his athleticism, I don't think it will stop us from drafting him if he's there and I also said he's the more coveted prospect. Just stating that if you're looking at our defense Spence has the body type/skill set that actually is more of a natural fit as a 3-4 OLB, I think Spence plays in space better than Bosa because he's a smaller/leaner guy.

 

Spence is built exactly like the two best 3-4 OLB's in the NFL so maybe just maybe I have a point despite the fact that I still said we would take Bosa if he's there as he's the more coveted prospect for obvious reasons. But the reason the gap is so wide between them is because of Spence's major character concerns which have nothing to do with his ability on the field. My point is that for 4-3 team Bosa clearly has the higher ceiling because of his ability to anchor in and play the run as well as rotate inside but for 3-4 teams Spence has the higher ceiling because he's a better pure pass rusher and his body type lends itself more to coverage purposes and overall versatility. Literally the only reason Spence wouldn't be in the mix with Bosa for us at #6 is because of stuff that has nothing to do with him as a football player.

 

[52520Andrew]

2 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Spence is built exactly like the two best 3-4 OLB's in the NFL

But he doesn't have near the explosion Miller has and I am not sold he can be as good in the run game as Mack. 

[rmw10]

I hate the size comparisons to no end.  Just because a guy is built like some of the best doesn't mean he's among them.  For every guy that's successful at Miller and Mack size, there are 25 that aren't.  Size means nothing in regards to comparisons.  It's all about the player.  I like Spence but Miller and Mack were world's ahead as prospects.

[PurpleCity5]

10 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Spence is built exactly like the two best 3-4 OLB's in the NFL so maybe just maybe I have a point despite the fact that I still said we would take Bosa if he's there as he's the more coveted prospect for obvious reasons. But the reason the gap is so wide between them is because of Spence's major character concerns which have nothing to do with his ability on the field. My point is that for 4-3 team Bosa clearly has the higher ceiling because of his ability to anchor in and play the run as well as rotate inside but for 3-4 teams Spence has the higher ceiling because he's a better pure pass rusher and his body type lends itself more to coverage purposes and overall versatility. Literally the only reason Spence wouldn't be in the mix with Bosa for us at #6 is because of stuff that has nothing to do with him as a football player.

I don't agree honestly. He may be built like Miller and Mack, but he's not as good as the level of talent as the either of them are coming out of college. Mack was a fierce defender and really brutal against the run. He also had much better contact against LTs than Spence and could dominant any where, weak-side or strong-side. Spence's biggest weak-point is the run. Miller didn't lack in the run game and was lighting fast off the LOS, more explosive than Spence and he also had a violent punch. Two of these guys are rare talents, I don't think Spence compares to either of them honestly. 

Edited March 1, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

Hargreaves and Apple did really well. 

[sflegend89]

1 minute ago, 52520Andrew said:

But he doesn't have near the explosion Miller has and I am not sold he can be as good in the run game as Mack. 

I never said he was as good as either of those guys, I said he was built like them. This isn't a very good draft class for pass rushers in general, there isn't a single Edge I would put anywhere close to Miller/Mack as prospects including Bosa. I'm just pointing out that if you take away the off field/character issues with Spence he's the best 3-4 OLB prospect in the draft because he has the ideal body type and is a better pure pass rusher. That's the whole gamble of drafting him though, Bosa is the better pick even for a 3-4 team because he doesn't carry that high level of risk. 

[52520Andrew]

Just now, sflegend89 said:

I never said he was as good as either of those guys, I said he was built like them.

So what then? You don't draft people because they weigh a certain amount and have the same height as some successful player in the NFL. Spence may be the best pure 3-4 OLB in the draft but that doesn't mean he is worth taking with our first high pick in forever.

[sflegend89]

19 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I hate the size comparisons to no end.  Just because a guy is built like some of the best doesn't mean he's among them.  For every guy that's successful at Miller and Mack size, there are 25 that aren't.  Size means nothing in regards to comparisons.  It's all about the player.  I like Spence but Miller and Mack were world's ahead as prospects.

 

Yes and No.

 

Does being built like another player at the same position mean you have their same level of ability or potential? No.

 

Do teams/scouts differentiate Edge rushers by their body types and skill sets? Yes.

 

(Again there are NO pass rushers as good as Miller/Mack this year)

[thieverycorporation]

Whens the comp picks announcement ?

[ALPHA]

Does anyone think we are going to draft Spence?

[sflegend89]

 

3 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Does anyone think we are going to draft Spence?

 

Nope, he's a huge risk that high because of his character/substance issues. Still the best 3-4 OLB prospect in the draft but the juice isn't worth the squeeze if he's going to be acting like a knucklehead. He's too risky for us. 

[harfordravenfan]

37 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I hate the size comparisons to no end.  Just because a guy is built like some of the best doesn't mean he's among them.  For every guy that's successful at Miller and Mack size, there are 25 that aren't.  Size means nothing in regards to comparisons.  It's all about the player.  I like Spence but Miller and Mack were world's ahead as prospects.

Agreed.

I'm 6'2" at 205 lbs so I'd be a great CB... Except being old, slow, and bad knees

[ALPHA]

1 minute ago, sflegend89 said:

 

 

Nope, he's a huge risk that high because of his character/substance issues. Still the best 3-4 OLB prospect in the draft but the juice isn't worth the squeeze if he's going to be acting like a knucklehead. He's too risky for us. 

He has good traits and a following here but it should be fairly obvious he isn't the 6th best player in the draft, unless they think he's going to fall to us in the 2nd or we trade up to get him.

[sflegend89]

15 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

Agreed.

I'm 6'2" at 205 lbs so I'd be a great CB... Except being old, slow, and bad knees

 

Whats your skill sets based off your college tape so an NFL scout can make a determination of how you would be best utilized for their respective team based on your body type/size? You don't have any college tape and aren't a NFL draft prospect? Then your size and body type is now completely irrelevant. Some of you guys.... really having this go right over your head.

Edited March 1, 2016 by sflegend89

[rmw10]

27 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

 

Yes and No.

 

Does being built like another player at the same position mean you have their same level of ability or potential? No.

 

Do teams/scouts differentiate Edge rushers by their body types and skill sets? Yes.

 

(Again there are NO pass rushers as good as Miller/Mack this year)

I was more referring to the fact that NFL Network put him in that frame with Miller and Mack.  I can't stand when they do that.

[Wildabeast88]

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

He is not a morning person. I can relate!! I saw it as soon as the camera was first shined at him at the combine!! Let's be thankful to God for coffee. Bosa is going to ace the pro day. He will weigh bout 275 and run 4.65-4.75 and eventually play at 285 LBs or so with no loss in athleticism or explosion. Is going to be a serious alpha male in a year or less. When he begins bending the edge with that size power and explosion when NFL coaches get him everybody will be crying. I will go on a limb here, he will very well be as good as Watt!! Spence may fit 3-4 better but ravens could draft a 3 down LB in round2 like Jones and run 4-3. If ravens keep KO, he and Bosa will have some  wars in practice and toughen themselves up!! I don't know how anybody could say Bosa is not explosive!! Buckner is good but Bosa would put him on his butt in 5 seconds in a wrestling match!! Just to much twitch and power on tap while in awkward positions or low gear. 

Bosa 6'5 4.86-40 4.21 20yd shuttle 6.89 3cone

watt 6'5 4.84-40 4.21 shuttle 6.88 3cone 

no saying but just saying 

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Thank you.

 

Eh, I'm not sure about that. I reallyyyyy want Doctson in the second if he slides. VH3, Bosa, Buckner or Stanley is who I think we'll get at 6.

I'm just not as crazy about Ramsey as everyone else,.....Id rather have Buckner or Jack.

 

[DomMcRaven]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Luckily I just had one of those 9 days ago. 

 

How do I call the chargers to make this happen? 

 

And now the overwhelming guilt of that post is setting in...

Lol............and congrats. 

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Thank you. Why do people say bosa doesn't belong here because he hasn't covered in college? In the rare occasion our rush LB is in coverage, he does a quick zone drop to plug up a throwing lane or he rolls out and prevents the screen, and it's usually done for the sake of mixing it up and not being predictable. 

 

We are not drafting bosa to cover TEs, we are drafting bosa to pass rush and play the run. Suggs only covers on occasion and by keeping a low count in coverage snaps he has been made very efficient, often batting screens and quick slants and he does this by simply standing up instead of rushing, bosa absolutely is capable of this and would be good at it thanks to his reach and height and great reaction.

Well since our secondary isn't reliable, Harbs and the rest of the coaching staff are coming up with a genius idea to reinvent the game by having top-notch pass rushers become top-notch cornerbacks. Duh. 

[Wildabeast88]

2 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

Just watched every play from their National Championship two years ago. There are some concerns.

Oregons RT did a great job on him in pass block. I know it's hard to judge completely because of Oregons fast pace but he stood around too much. 

Also, there are too many times where he is laying on the turf when it looks like no one even forced him there. Looks like he has poor balance. 

He generated a lot more pressure when lined up on the right side of the defense.

Was poor at getting off blocks in the run game.

He does make a couple splash plays that help out the highlight reel. I'm just worried what he is doing on all the other plays.

Also watched their MSU game from this past year. Bosa does struggle to get off blocks in the run game.

That was his worst game all year. He was very good against several good guys 

[GrimCoconut]

Lol at some of you. You guys know we're picking #6 overall, right? We're not picking 31st overall here. We're getting an elite talent. I love how one minute Hargreaves is a reach now he's beyond it. One minute Ramsey is better than the invention of fire, then he stinks, now he beat Chuck Norris in a fist fight. Bosa is suddenly a stoner. 

Overreaction much?

[ngatainmyhouse]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Lol at some of you. You guys know we're picking #6 overall, right? We're not picking 31st overall here. We're getting an elite talent. I love how one minute Hargreaves is a reach now he's beyond it. One minute Ramsey is better than the invention of fire, then he stinks, now he beat Chuck Norris in a fist fight. Bosa is suddenly a stoner. 

Overreaction much?

Yea i love it when the "scouts" on this page analyze every mini aspect on this page and seem to have issues with every player but Tunsil. This is my first year following this forum but I would've loved to see what people had to say about studs that've been drafted these past few years that were reaches or lacked this part of their game etc. Often I see people promoting how people are finally starting to like the same guy as them, yet since before playoffs everyones opinion has changed about 5 times and each time they're just as convinced, if not more that the new guy is the one the Ravens NEED to get etc. Within hours after the senior bowl Spence was the guy, now he's not. Treadwell is the best pick, now he's not. 

[Batcerb]

2 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Hargreaves and Apple did really well. 

VH3 looked fantastic in the drills, very sharp - spoke well in the interview I watched. 

If Ramsey and Jack are gone at 6, I think he should be our pick. For me he left nothing in question, he simply is fighting it out with Ramsey for #1 CB. Quality ++++++

Edited March 1, 2016 by Batcerb

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

Yea i love it when the "scouts" on this page analyze every mini aspect on this page and seem to have issues with every player but Tunsil. This is my first year following this forum but I would've loved to see what people had to say about studs that've been drafted these past few years that were reaches or lacked this part of their game etc. Often I see people promoting how people are finally starting to like the same guy as them, yet since before playoffs everyones opinion has changed about 5 times and each time they're just as convinced, if not more that the new guy is the one the Ravens NEED to get etc. Within hours after the senior bowl Spence was the guy, now he's not. Treadwell is the best pick, now he's not. 

Yeah, man. I mean, I've gone back and forth, I'm guilty of that, but what annoys me is this:
People look at a prospect that is potentially in our reach, dissect them and over-analyze them as a prospect and miss the good things they do and focus on the negatives as a way to quantify why the prospect sucks and why we, the Ravens, will be stuck with them because we're just not fortunate enough. We're not picking 31st or 32nd this year. I don't see why people aren't realizing this. There are also bad picks every single year. Yes, the top-10 is usually a bit easier to predict and easier for analysts to guess, but they have been wrong before. 

It's just apparent that people look for reasons to believe a prospect we may get sucks, then we put these guys we may not get on a pedestal and act like they practically do no wrong.