NFL Combine Thread

[FastEddie]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Valid poitnt.  I wish I could live in my own world with no logic.

I'm very interested in Eli apple, nice to see he's testing well.  I'm just not feeling Hargreaves at 6

Would be really happy with a Buckner/Apple combo

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, FastEddie said:

Would be really happy with a Buckner/Apple combo

Agree, I'd be more excited with apple and Jack.  Our coverage would improve drastically 

Applejacks

[jboy19]

Looks like Darian Thompson needs to improve his 40 at his pro day or else he'll be in rounds 3-4. 

[gabefergy]

Ramsey putting on the show we all expected. Still have Bosa a nose ahead of him because he's a bigger impact player right away and I always prefer DL over secondary, but Ramsey has probably the highest ceiling of any player in the draft. 

[RavensFanMania]

23 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Bosa sounds sleepy lol

he's a surfer dude

[Clmraven]

4 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Like I said before Ozzie is just a football political figure that was surrounded by some good help. Then hyped up by football politics. By his own admission belichick was his mentor. I get it now, not many people like evans but nobody would be interested in Elway??

 

Well first thing Heath has never shown any ability to evaluate talent in the draft, all he does his spew stupidity out of his mouth all day.

 

and no I wouldn't take Elway as a gm because I don't like him as a person, I'll hold my judgement on him as a GM until I see how the team does without Manning but it really looks like he mortgaged the teams future.

 

and your just wrong about Ozzie, who cares if BB was his mentor? He was a former player with no experience in a front office, I'd sure hope he'd try to learn from one of the best. And what help was he surrounded by? Our elite QB in 2000? Ozzie did the literally the same exact thing in 2000 that Elway did these past few years.

[ALI624]

VH3: 4.50-40, 15-bench press, 39 inch-vert and 130 inch-broad.

Ramsey: 4.42-40, 14-bench press, 41.5 inch-vert and 135 inch broad.

Great showing by both of them imo.

[sflegend89]

Ramsey is going to be a stud, really hope he makes it to us but not counting on it. I would also be cool with VH3 at #6 if Ramsey is gone to be honest, I think he has a high ceiling and we have a gaping hole at CB2 now that Webb is moving to FS. Would be like our own version of Talib/Harris Jr with Jimmy/VH3, they compliment each other well, long physical press corner and a quick twitchy cover corner.

Not saying to draft strictly for need in the 1st as I think highly of VH3... but let's be honest we don't have money for a good corner in FA, while the class is deep at CB we need a day 1 starter. 

Would be very happy with:

1: Ramsey/VH3

2. Coleman/Doctson

3. Yannick

 

Edited February 29, 2016 by sflegend89

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

VH3: 4.50-40, 15-bench press, 39 inch-vert and 130 inch-broad.

Ramsey: 4.42-40, 14-bench press, 41.5 inch-vert and 135 inch broad.

Great showing by both of them imo.

I agree. Really impressed with vernons athleticism, only knock i have with him at the combine is his arms are only 30 5/8 and his hands are 8 3/4 kinda scares me and makes me thinkg he will have problems playing press outside.

Also wasnt expecting William jackson iii to run a 4.37 lol. Very impressed by that number 

[MTRavensFan]

22 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

he's a surfer dude

Personally, I loved the Bosa interview. What you see is what you get with that dude. He just sounded totally gassed, which says to me he left it all out there on the field, which I can respect.

[sflegend89]

As talented as Bosa is he's really a 4-3 DE. I think he could be good as a 3-4 OLB but typically you want a guy with more suddenness and explosiveness off the line in that role. Noah Spence is the best 3-4 OLB in the draft, Bosa may be the more coveted prospect but Spence fits our defense better.

[gabefergy]

1 minute ago, sflegend89 said:

As talented as Bosa is he's really a 4-3 DE. I think he could be good as a 3-4 OLB but typically you want a guy with more suddenness and explosiveness off the line in that role. Noah Spence is the best 3-4 OLB in the draft, Bosa may be the more coveted prospect but Spence fits our defense better.

Sorry, but this is just patently false. First of all Bosa is more sudden than Spence. He blew Spence out of the water in the 3C drill and short shuttle, and Bosa is considerably bigger making it that much more impressive. Secondly, there is negligible difference between what you want from a 4-3 DE compared to a 3-4 DE in terms of rushing the passer. The only difference is occasionally rushing from a 2 point stance instead of a 3 point stance and dropping in coverage a handful more times. Then consider that Bosa is world's better as a run defender.

[Winchester]

25 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

Personally, I loved the Bosa interview. What you see is what you get with that dude. He just sounded totally gassed, which says to me he left it all out there on the field, which I can respect.

He is not a morning person. I can relate!! I saw it as soon as the camera was first shined at him at the combine!! Let's be thankful to God for coffee. Bosa is going to ace the pro day. He will weigh bout 275 and run 4.65-4.75 and eventually play at 285 LBs or so with no loss in athleticism or explosion. Is going to be a serious alpha male in a year or less. When he begins bending the edge with that size power and explosion when NFL coaches get him everybody will be crying. I will go on a limb here, he will very well be as good as Watt!! Spence may fit 3-4 better but ravens could draft a 3 down LB in round2 like Jones and run 4-3. If ravens keep KO, he and Bosa will have some  wars in practice and toughen themselves up!! I don't know how anybody could say Bosa is not explosive!! Buckner is good but Bosa would put him on his butt in 5 seconds in a wrestling match!! Just to much twitch and power on tap while in awkward positions or low gear. 

Edited February 29, 2016 by Winchester

[JustinB]

what do you guys think Rich Eisen 7th round, has potential, clean footwork I like him 

[ALI624]

Just now, JustinB said:

what do you guys think Rich Eisen 7th round, has potential, clean footwork I like him 

We don't have a 7th round pick have to reach in the 6th.

[JustinB]

7 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

We don't have a 7th round pick have to reach in the 6th.

If his interviews are good then I don't have a problem with that.

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

A few short quick things after watching today...Ramsey is the biggest longest guy out there, who ran one of the fastest forty times among a group of dbs that did not impress speed wise...at one point deon was getting after them and trying to pick them up...the biggest thing...for those of you on here that questioned Ramsey's footwook..and there are those of you on here who crucified him for it..I watched multiple drills that tested his footwork and he was constantly complimented...most notably for his back pedal and break up field footwork where the coaches on the field yelled "that's how its done!" while Mayock was also complimenting on it as well.  Not the end all be all as its just the combine but just points to how silly some of the pre combine talk is.

[52520Andrew]

12 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

We don't have a 7th round pick have to reach in the 6th.

He run his 40 yet?

[ALI624]

Just now, 52520Andrew said:

He run his 40 yet?

yea.

[JoeyFlex5]

My tier 1 guys are tunsil, ramsey, bosa, buckner, and Jack. Tier 2 is vh3 and Shaq lawson, and if Shaq Lawson trims down and shows an ability to play olb with real explosiveness then he would step into my tier 1, idk he just grew on me because I thought he was gonna barely run a sub 5 second 40 and I'm now impressed with his overall potential knowing he is more athletic than I originally thought

[allblackraven]

8 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

He run his 40 yet?

5:94

[sflegend89]

We can dream right?

 

[rudywasoffsides]

1 hour ago, Clmraven said:

Well first thing Heath has never shown any ability to evaluate talent in the draft, all he does his spew stupidity out of his mouth all day.

 

and no I wouldn't take Elway as a gm because I don't like him as a person, I'll hold my judgement on him as a GM until I see how the team does without Manning but it really looks like he mortgaged the teams future.

 

and your just wrong about Ozzie, who cares if BB was his mentor? He was a former player with no experience in a front office, I'd sure hope he'd try to learn from one of the best. And what help was he surrounded by? Our elite QB in 2000? Ozzie did the literally the same exact thing in 2000 that Elway did these past few years.

Dude he won the super bowl as their GM and quite frankly managed the cap far better than we have in recent years since they seem to have way more guys on their squad who they payed mega deals for and we only have a few and are somehow still up against the cap just like them. I wouldn't take him over Ozzie at all, but you can't hate on Elway because I wish Oz would have mortgaged our future if it would have gotten us another Lombardi Trophy last year

[Deflated Football]

Just now, sflegend89 said:

We can dream right?

 

That Ravens tattoo on his forehead is a nice touch

[rdotc]

Well... after the combine, I would like to see Bosa, Ramsey, or VH3 at #6. (since there is no way Tunsil is there)

Maybe Jack will jump into that list after his pro day.

VH3 looked great today... solid measurables and just looks like a damned good corner. Ramsey has all the tools... but is a bit more unknown. Definitely a higher ceiling though.

[edthehead]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Agree, I'd be more excited with apple and Jack.  Our coverage would improve drastically 

Applejacks

too funny, you are becoming the master of names

I am a big fan of ELI  and I know you are a fan of jack "apple jacks"

eli we would have to come back into the 1st as he is mocked to the squeelers in many drafts

I want a big CB  

[JO_75]

1 hour ago, jboy19 said:

Looks like Darian Thompson needs to improve his 40 at his pro day or else he'll be in rounds 3-4. 

I would be happy if he didn't. It means we can get a steal in the mid rounds.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, JO_75 said:

I would be happy if he didn't. It means we can get a steal in the mid rounds.

I don't like Thompson. Too stiff.

[sflegend89]

1 hour ago, gabefergy said:

Sorry, but this is just patently false. First of all Bosa is more sudden than Spence. He blew Spence out of the water in the 3C drill and short shuttle, and Bosa is considerably bigger making it that much more impressive. Secondly, there is negligible difference between what you want from a 4-3 DE compared to a 3-4 DE in terms of rushing the passer. The only difference is occasionally rushing from a 2 point stance instead of a 3 point stance and dropping in coverage a handful more times. Then consider that Bosa is world's better as a run defender.

 

I said Bosa would be good as a 3-4 OLB, just stating that his body type/skill set is profiled more as more of a 4-3 DE. There are fundamental differences between them that you are underplaying. There's a reason teams look for different body types/skill sets depending on their defensive scheme, the profiling of Edge rushers isn't trivial.  When you have an Edge as athletic and talented as Bosa he's not just a scheme specific player but he no doubt checks more boxes as a 4-3 DE. Spence has a prototypical 3-4 OLB body type, it's also not a matter of dropping into coverage "a handful more times" it's considerably more. Being a 3-4 OLB is about being versatile, being able to play in space, you aren't always rushing the passer, go look at Von Miller's pick against the Patriots where Brady was anticipating the rush and instead Miller dropped into coverage, it's a multi-faceted position. 4-3 DE's are in a perpetual state of forward motion whether that's rushing the pass or sealing the edge in run support which is basically all we saw out of Bosa at OSU.

 

I think Bosa can absolutely transition to being a 3-4 OLB, he may not have the ideal body type but he makes up for it with his athleticism, I don't think it will stop us from drafting him if he's there and I also said he's the more coveted prospect. Just stating that if you're looking at our defense Spence has the body type/skill set that actually is more of a natural fit as a 3-4 OLB, I think Spence plays in space better than Bosa because he's a smaller/leaner guy.

Edited February 29, 2016 by sflegend89

[Winchester]

2 hours ago, Clmraven said:

Well first thing Heath has never shown any ability to evaluate talent in the draft, all he does his spew stupidity out of his mouth all day.

 

and no I wouldn't take Elway as a gm because I don't like him as a person, I'll hold my judgement on him as a GM until I see how the team does without Manning but it really looks like he mortgaged the teams future.

 

and your just wrong about Ozzie, who cares if BB was his mentor? He was a former player with no experience in a front office, I'd sure hope he'd try to learn from one of the best. And what help was he surrounded by? Our elite QB in 2000? Ozzie did the literally the same exact thing in 2000 that Elway did these past few years.

Elway is far smarter than Ozzie!! Like I said Ozzie is a hyped up political figure. Look where he has the ravens now. No young rushers,no ystud at running back,secondary is a mess although huge money is invested, WR is still a question,ilb is a need,the only strengtb of the team is OLine and the best young player is likely leaving. I told everybody he will command more money than previous top guards because how powerful he is and well regarded in teams inner circles. Just has not got media hype like tucker and Yanda. But his contract will show what teams really think of him. Now he is being viewed as a left tackle as well. And Ozzie throws the franchise tag on a freaking kicker!! Now there is no leverage with the hottest guard to hit the free agent market ever!! So much for OLine being a strength. NFL network analysts are laughing at the ravens for franchising a kicker and leaving the most dominant guard in the nfl unprotected!! Heath Evans has some very good things to say. Problem is homers do not like to hear it. I just do not see how anybody can defend Ozzie with the poor job he has done lately in the draft and contracts. Want to point out his achievements(with help of front office belicheat assembled) fine, but do not say he has been one of better gms over last several yrs. He has been average at best!! Ozzie has been given many get out of jail free cards. Now the analysts are beginning to not only point his blunders but mock him.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Moderator 3
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