NFL Combine Thread

[outkast1]

46 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

You act like this wouldn't be the case even without the drug issue. 

I'm not acting as I meant what I said !

[polynesian15]

On 24/2/2016 at 9:18 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I disagree about the bench press. The reps show endurance of constantly holding up against the O-linemen for Defensive players and also shows strength at sustained levels. How can it be bad? I just don’t get your logic. The 40 on the other hand is important because it shows short burst speed (10 yd burst) as well. Also, the other events like the broad jump and the vertical show off an athlete’s explosion from a still position. That is critical as well. As for the drills, they’re clearly important. 

Finally, a lot of brain trust goes into the combine. When I say brain trust, I mean really knowledgeable football braintrust. So, I’m very comfortable with the events at the combine.

The flat bench press is nothing like blocking imo. In the flat bench press you're anchored against the bench thus eliminating core and hip involvement. Furthermore, the press is perpendicular to the body unlike a block that would involve a natural degree of body lean (incline). A much more appropriate strength test would be the "jammer machine" which actually recreates the blocking position, and tests the actual musculature (core, hips, incline press/iso). Try googling it, it's a cool looking contraption.

PS. Not sure why the quote function messed up, didn't intend to involve BmoreBird22 in this matter.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

Charles Tapper really impressed me. 4.59 speed at 6'2", 270 lbs is almost Clowney fast. He needs work on his technique and hands, but boy that's impressive. He could be a solid round 2/3 option. 

 

Same for Joe Schobert. Wasn't sure if he was an NFL caliber athlete and he proved he is more than good enough. I'd take him 3rd round. 

Schobert is seriously my guy. One of the more underrated players I've seen in the draft. If he showed some kind of freak explosiveness then he would be an obvious first rounder but I guess his ceiling isn't quite high enough

[ellicottraven]

39 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

The flat bench press is nothing like blocking imo. In the flat bench press you're anchored against the bench thus eliminating core and hip involvement. Furthermore, the press is perpendicular to the body unlike a block that would involve a natural degree of body lean (incline). A much more appropriate strength test would be the "jammer machine" which actually recreates the blocking position, and tests the actual musculature (core, hips, incline press/iso). Try googling it, it's a cool looking contraption.

PS. Not sure why the quote function messed up, didn't intend to involve BmoreBird22 in this matter.

 

Interesting. I’ll make sure to google it.

[ravensnick]

46 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Schobert is seriously my guy. One of the more underrated players I've seen in the draft. If he showed some kind of freak explosiveness then he would be an obvious first rounder but I guess his ceiling isn't quite high enough

I'd compare him to Hau'oli Kikaha, but a better run defender. He does scream Raven to me. Tough, hard work ethic, excellant technique. 

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

I'd compare him to Hau'oli Kikaha, but a better run defender. He does scream Raven to me. Tough, hard work ethic, excellant technique. 

I think schobert plays a lot more explosive, smarter, and also plays like a more traditional linebacker because he covers ground laterally very well and diagnoses quickly and smartly. Kikaha strikes me as more of a edge rusher

[ravensnick]

12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think schobert plays a lot more explosive, smarter, and also plays like a more traditional linebacker because he covers ground laterally very well and diagnoses quickly and smartly. Kikaha strikes me as more of a edge rusher

More of a comment on his technique being good despite not having elite athleticism. 

[sflegend89]

Will Fuller definitely raised his draft stock at the combine. Not sure how I feel about possibly taking him in the 2nd. Blazing speed but his hands are a real concern, not like Perriman in the sense that he has concentration drops but in the sense that he has small hands and drops a lot of catchable balls. Speaking of Perriman they seem to be really similar in what they offer to an offense. I would prefer a guy who can take the "Boldin role" of working the short/intermediate while we have Perriman getting vertical and taking the top off the defense.

This is SSS last year so even if he can work the short/intermediate for now we need to plan for the future and draft a guy who compliments Perriman's skill set so Fuller may not be our guy just based on fit.  The OSU guys Miller/Thomas interest me because they ran a diverse route tree in their offense and are two of the best route runners which is essential for winning underneath at the NFL level. I think either of those guys compliment our offense well but might just be a little too much of a reach in the top 40. I just don't think this is that great of a WR class, I would be tempted to say if Doctson isn't there in the 2nd to just go in another direction there and grab Sterling Shepard in the 3rd/4th.

Edited February 29, 2016 by sflegend89

[DomMcRaven]

28 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

I'd compare him to Hau'oli Kikaha, but a better run defender. He does scream Raven to me. Tough, hard work ethic, excellant technique. 

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think schobert plays a lot more explosive, smarter, and also plays like a more traditional linebacker because he covers ground laterally very well and diagnoses quickly and smartly. Kikaha strikes me as more of a edge rusher

Watch him be a Packer. I don't know why, but just a gut feeling. 

 

[DomMcRaven]

By the way, what do you guys think about Coleman after his combine? I completely missed all of the combine, but I've been skimming through this thread and keeping up with my notifications. 

[Clmraven]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Shaq did have Vic Beasley. But ok, I'll dig more into him. Didn't because Walt wrote he could only fit a 4-3, but apparently that's false 

Shaq didn't start until after Beasley left.

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Would he be worth it at 6 though? I wasn't impressed by Bosa but Lawson May not be in the same league as Bosa and the other 4.

Haven't watched enough so I really need answers here. 

Still not sure he's worth it at 6, I'd trade back for him though.

[sflegend89]

17 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

By the way, what do you guys think about Coleman after his combine? I completely missed all of the combine, but I've been skimming through this thread and keeping up with my notifications. 

Had more impressive physicals than I anticipated. Didn't run but he had a 40 in. vertical I believe. I think his ceiling is something like Brandin Cooks which is definitely intriguing. Most of the knocks I hear on him are that he didn't play in a pro-style offense at Baylor and his route running is pretty basic. Other guys in his range like Doctson/Miller/Thomas are more developed route runners and won't have such a massive transition when they get to the NFL.

 

 

Edited February 29, 2016 by sflegend89

[JoeyFlex5]

21 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Watch him be a Packer. I don't know why, but just a gut feeling. 

 

Oddly I think clay Matthews is a great comparison lol

[Winchester]

After the combine Fuller is round1. Floyd is first half of round1. Peake will be drafted in early rounds as well. Darrin Lee I said would run 4.55-4.6 but was even better.Doctson showed more suddeness in routes that many thought. Want to like Tyler Boyd,  but some skills are not present in his play.

[gabefergy]

some of you guys really love Noah Spence lol

 His 10yd split was good, so I wouldn't read too much into 4.80 but it's not going to help his stock any. More concerning are his pedestrian jumps and below average 3C and SS. For a speed guy, he really didn't help himself out much.

[jazz1988]

31 minutes ago, gabefergy said:

some of you guys really love Noah Spence lol

 His 10yd split was good, so I wouldn't read too much into 4.80 but it's not going to help his stock any. More concerning are his pedestrian jumps and below average 3C and SS. For a speed guy, he really didn't help himself out much.

 

Matt Miller mention that Noah Spence tweaked his  ham string and had issues with it. I'm not sure if it really made a big difference in his performances but he supposedly will try at it again at his pro day.

[JustinB]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think schobert plays a lot more explosive, smarter, and also plays like a more traditional linebacker because he covers ground laterally very well and diagnoses quickly and smartly. Kikaha strikes me as more of a edge rusher

Being from Wisconsin I am quite familiar with Schobert and I would be ecstatic to see him here.  I am also a bigger fan of his teammate who stayed behind.

[allblackraven]

58 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

Matt Miller mention that Noah Spence tweaked his  ham string and had issues with it. I'm not sure if it really made a big difference in his performances but he supposedly will try at it again at his pro day.

If it's true, hammy would have bothered him some.

[charchboii]

I swear people will every excuse in the world for a player they like who does bad at the combine. Jeez

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, gabefergy said:

some of you guys really love Noah Spence lol

 His 10yd split was good, so I wouldn't read too much into 4.80 but it's not going to help his stock any. More concerning are his pedestrian jumps and below average 3C and SS. For a speed guy, he really didn't help himself out much.

No, he didn't but he was rounding those 300+lb cones pretty successfully over last few years.

[SammyG]

You all may think I'm crazy, but Sterling Shepard is the best receiver in the class. 4.48 40. 41 inch vertical. Smooth natural hand catcher. Even quicker than he is fast. Plays hard. Makes contested catches. Absolutely my round 2 guy although he might nothink make it there. Supposedly after he destroyed the gauntlet drill, Carolina wants him Sterling, Perriman, and Kamar could be a bright future. 

[sflegend89]

18 minutes ago, SammyG said:

You all may think I'm crazy, but Sterling Shepard is the best receiver in the class. 4.48 40. 41 inch vertical. Smooth natural hand catcher. Even quicker than he is fast. Plays hard. Makes contested catches. Absolutely my round 2 guy although he might nothink make it there. Supposedly after he destroyed the gauntlet drill, Carolina wants him Sterling, Perriman, and Kamar could be a bright future. 

 

I like Shepard a lot but definitely not the best WR in the class, I do think he's overlooked and could be a guy who ends up going mid-late 2nd despite being labeled as a 3rd/4th round guy by a lot of analysts. Our 2nd round pick is way too high for him, people are so used to us picking late in the 2nd that they kind of lose track of the fact that it's a top 40 pick, because of the fact that QB's and other players not on our board will get taken in the 1st we are going to get a guy we have a 1st round grade on as DeCosta stated in his interview. No way Shepard has a 1st round grade on our board or is the BPA available at that pick. If we get a WR there it will probably we Doctson or Coleman.

Edited February 29, 2016 by sflegend89

[sflegend89]

3 hours ago, Winchester said:

After the combine Fuller is round1. Floyd is first half of round1. Peake will be drafted in early rounds as well. Darrin Lee I said would run 4.55-4.6 but was even better.Doctson showed more suddeness in routes that many thought. Want to like Tyler Boyd,  but some skills are not present in his play.

 

Agreed on Fuller going in the 1st, that 40 time did some serious PR for him. I just think he's a little overrated because he's not a natural hands catcher, small hands and drops a lot of balls (Not concentrations drops, just bad hands). While I don't think this is a great comparison it should be noted that DHB had a blazing 40 time but he's another guy who was a body catcher in college. 

 

Analysts use DHB as a cop out comparison a lot for fast WR's with questionable hands but I think it's justified here because Fuller is also a body catcher. It was irritating when people compared Perriman to DHB because he's a natural hands catcher who high points the ball, BP just had concentrations drops and there is a big difference.

[PurpleCity5]

I think Hargreaves is going to kill the combine. I really think he'll do great in the drills and I do believe his athleticism is more in question rather than its absent. The dude has insane high-pointing so I expect him to do great in the broad jump and vertical jump. 

Edited February 29, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Winchester]

Heath Evans is pretty awesome!! For a retired player. Pretty Good sports analyst as well for an actual athlete. Come on guys he ran 4.8 and did like 40 reps. Give him his props. He is retired and outperformed fullbacks in college.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Winchester

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Heath Evans is pretty awesome!! For a retired player. Pretty Good sports analyst as well.

I'm just going to pretend I never saw this post.

Are you on drugs?

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Heath Evans is pretty awesome!! For a retired player. Pretty Good sports analyst as well.

*retires from website*

[Jacquouille]

I just laughed while in class. 

[PolishRifle]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

Heath Evans is pretty awesome!! For a retired player. Pretty Good sports analyst as well for an actual athlete. Come on guys he ran 4.8 and did like 40 reps. Give him his props. He is retired and outperformed fullbacks in college.

Heath-larious,

[Italian Raven]

Boddy-Calhoun might turn some heads today.

Not the most attractive/coveted CB, nor the fastest, but he can play the man and has a pretty good elevation, if I remember correctly.