NFL Combine Thread

[Willbacker]

2 hours ago, ALPHA said:

I'm convinced by what I've seen. The original point was that Spence isn't stout at the point and doesnt have ideal athleticism, the counter argument is that he benched more than Suggs, I say it's a poor indication of play strength.

The bench is just chest strength basically. Its mainly the power and balance in the legs is what determines how a player holds up at the point of the attack. To me the 40 and bench press should be eliminated from the combine since it has little importance to do with gameplay.

[L.A.Ravens]

10 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Sad to say but Spence is most likely out of contention for the top half of the 1st. Be interesting to see how parts of the combine affected his stock and what's the outcome of those interviews. Not sure if hell have a pro day. I still think there will be few teams willing to pull the trigger in first round.

GM: I don't think I can trust Noah Spence.

I was thinking 2nd round fall but maybe even into the 4-5 round.

Edited February 28, 2016 by L.A.Ravens

[ellicottraven]

Just now, Willbacker said:

The bench is just chest strength basically. Its mainly the power and balance in the legs is what determines how a player holds up at the point of the attack. To me the 40 and bench press should be eliminated from the combine since it has little importance to do with gameplay.

Disagree about the bench press. The reps show endurance of constantly holding up against the O-linemen for Defensive players and also shows strength at sustained levels. How can it be bad? I just don’t get your logic. The 40 on the other hand is important because it shows short burst speed (10 yd burst) as well. Also, the other events like the broad jump and the vertical show off an athlete’s explosion from a still position. That is critical as well. As for the drills, they’re clearly important. 

Finally, a lot of brain trust goes into the combine. When I say brain trust, I mean really knowledgeable football braintrust. So, I’m very comfortable with the events at the combine.

[hn68wb4]

I was really excited to see Ronald Blair go today because I wanted to know if he had the athleticism to move outside but I don't think so. 5.15 40yd dash isn't a good sign but he did the second most reps on the bench I think with 32 so I think he could still be an option in the mid rounds.

[RaineV1]

Shaq Lawson put up similar numbers to Bosa. Lawson did a bit better in the high jump and the 40. Bosa did a bit better in the cone drill. And they tied for 2nd best among DL in the 20 yard shuttle (4.21 seconds). They also tied for long jump. And they're about the same size as each other. From a purely athletic standpoint, if Bosa can fit a 3-4 defense, then so can Lawson.

In fact, Lawson would likely be the next best edge rushing pick we could make if Bosa is gone.

Edited February 28, 2016 by RaineV1

[Sizzlebshu]

4 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Shawne Oakman 4.96

I ran faster than that in Juco

Great are you 6ft 7 and 270 as well? 

[Sizzlebshu]

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Shaq Lawson put up similar numbers to Bosa. Lawson did a bit better in the high jump and the 40. Bosa did a bit better in the cone drill. And they tied for 2nd best among DL in the 20 yard shuttle (4.21 seconds). They also tied for long jump. And they're about the same size as each other. From a purely athletic standpoint, if Bosa can fit a 3-4 defense, then so can Lawson.

In fact, Lawson would likely be the next best edge rushing pick we could make if Bosa is gone.

Spence?

[RaineV1]

Just now, Sizzlebshu said:

Spence?

Shaky interviews, and honestly wasn't that impressive at the combine. He could end up dropping into the 2nd round, or farther.

[Willbacker]

4 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Disagree about the bench press. The reps show endurance of constantly holding up against the O-linemen for Defensive players and also shows strength at sustained levels. How can it be bad? I just don’t get your logic. The 40 on the other hand is important because it shows short burst speed (10 yd burst) as well. Also, the other events like the broad jump and the vertical show off an athlete’s explosion from a still position. That is critical as well. As for the drills, they’re clearly important. 

Finally, a lot of brain trust goes into the combine. When I say brain trust, I mean really knowledgeable football braintrust. So, I’m very comfortable with the events at the combine.

It has some importance for specific positions like bench for the interior linemen but why do QBs bench or even WRs and the 40 for linemen really. The cone and the splits is whats important since linemen usually play in a boxed area. Those 2 events(the 40 and bench) I just don't believe have that much emphasis on GMs decisions. Just call it the Suggs effect.

I may have went a little overboard on elimination but it wouldn't surprize me if a player could run faster than another player but then lose the footrace with pads on. I also have no problems with the other drills.

[jazz1988]

47 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I heard that Spence is coming off as shaky In his interviews; if this is the truth you can forget him.

The same was said about Maxx Williams

[hn68wb4]

Just now, jazz1988 said:

The same was said about Maxx Williams

But Williams was just cocky and self obsessed, he didn't have any sort of drug history like Spence has, it's not really a fair comparison.

[ALPHA]

28 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Disagree about the bench press. The reps show endurance of constantly holding up against the O-linemen for Defensive players and also shows strength at sustained levels. How can it be bad? I just don’t get your logic. The 40 on the other hand is important because it shows short burst speed (10 yd burst) as well. Also, the other events like the broad jump and the vertical show off an athlete’s explosion from a still position. That is critical as well. As for the drills, they’re clearly important. 

Finally, a lot of brain trust goes into the combine. When I say brain trust, I mean really knowledgeable football braintrust. So, I’m very comfortable with the events at the combine.

I think the only thing the bench press shows is weight room dedication.

[RaineV1]

34 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

The same was said about Maxx Williams

And he ended up going in the second-half of the second round. Spence was being talked about as a top 15 pick.

[52520Andrew]

16 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I think the only thing the bench press shows is weight room dedication.

That is what I generally take away from it

[rdotc]

17 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I think the only thing the bench press shows is weight room dedication.

It doesn't even show the proper weight room dedication. The reps are awful the way they allow a full bounce off the chest. Also, all the prospects seem to be doing a close grip bench as opposed to proper hand placement for their shoulder width. Its also amazing to see how few of the prospects use any sort of wrist wrap. I figured it was against the rules but did see a couple of the defensive linemen either taped at the wrist or wearing a proper wrap.

 

Not sure how much stock I can put into a lift where the athletes aren't even mimicking a proper movement.

[JoeyFlex5]

I amn liking Shaq Lawson. He showed the nimbleness today to play OLB. He was once touted as a top 10 guy and he showed better burst today than I envisioned. I used to compare him to Upshaw but now I think James Harrison with a Dwight freeney spin move is more accurate. He is moving up my board the more I watch him. 

[Italian Raven]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I amn liking Shaq Lawson. He showed the nimbleness today to play OLB. He was once touted as a top 10 guy and he showed better burst today than I envisioned. I used to compare him to Upshaw but now I think James Harrison with a Dwight freeney spin move is more accurate. He is moving up my board the more I watch him. 

Welcome to the dark side

[Jaybirds]

I am moving Lawson up, and Spence down ( a lot).  But I don't think it's a perfect swap.  I think Stanley or maybe Hargreaves could be more likely for us at six. 

[Clmraven]

Glad people are warming up on Lawson, I always thought the Upshaw comps were really unfair. He reminds me of Tamba Hali but maybe a little more athletic.

[Jacquouille]

Would he be worth it at 6 though? I wasn't impressed by Bosa but Lawson May not be in the same league as Bosa and the other 4.

Haven't watched enough so I really need answers here. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think Shaq is actually a better fit at OLB and it isn't close, but bosa is a more versatile pass rushing threat because he can rush from so many places. I'd take either.

[RaineV1]

41 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I amn liking Shaq Lawson. He showed the nimbleness today to play OLB. He was once touted as a top 10 guy and he showed better burst today than I envisioned. I used to compare him to Upshaw but now I think James Harrison with a Dwight freeney spin move is more accurate. He is moving up my board the more I watch him. 

Yeah, I'm definitely a fan. He could turn out to be a beast as a 3-4 OLB.

4 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Would he be worth it at 6 though? I wasn't impressed by Bosa but Lawson May not be in the same league as Bosa and the other 4.

Haven't watched enough so I really need answers here. 

I actually think the difference between Lawson and Bosa is fairly small, and It wouldn't shock me of Lawson ends up having a better career. If Buckner, Ramsey, and Tunsil are gone (and there's a good chance they will be) then I'd be fine with taking Lawson 6th.

[JoeyFlex5]

Well Lawson had a very strong college career but he didn't have adolphus and Spence and Bennett and all those guys, Kevin dodd simply isn't on that level, he had less supporting cast and was still a wrecking ball.AND he did it as a pure edge guy while bosa was a mover, can bosa produce results by having a fixed position and a non elite supporting cast? I think Shaq had already proven it. 

 

 

[outkast1]

5 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Good 49 time for Spence, he's like a perfect match for this team. Nice measurements too.

I would not pick any player in the first round with a drug problem. I'm a big fan of Spence but Bosa is a better 1st round pick.

[Sizzlebshu]

2 minutes ago, outkast1 said:

I would not pick any player in the first round with a drug problem. I'm a big fan of Spence but Bosa is a better 1st round pick.

You act like this wouldn't be the case even without the drug issue. 

[Sizzlebshu]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

Shaky interviews, and honestly wasn't that impressive at the combine. He could end up dropping into the 2nd round, or farther.

Eh Spence plays faster than his 40 speed. The rest of his combine numbers also indicate that his 40 speed isn't indicative of what he put out there. So I'm not worried about that. 

Tbh I think people are overblowing the interview thing mainly because of Randy Gregory. The fact is that there is absolutely no way to know for sure and given what's happened teams are scared. Let's not forget there is some gamesmanship here and that 18+ teams (likely more if we include the SB so probably almost all 32) scheduled interviews with the kid. 

 

 

[Jacquouille]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well Lawson had a very strong college career but he didn't have adolphus and Spence and Bennett and all those guys, Kevin dodd simply isn't on that level, he had less supporting cast and was still a wrecking ball.AND he did it as a pure edge guy while bosa was a mover, can bosa produce results by having a fixed position and a non elite supporting cast? I think Shaq had already proven it. 

 

 

Shaq did have Vic Beasley. But ok, I'll dig more into him. Didn't because Walt wrote he could only fit a 4-3, but apparently that's false 

[L.A.Ravens]

Leonard Floyd came into the combine beefed up and still ran a 4.6. He's fast. Darron Lee was compared to Elvis Dumervil a couple weeks ago and he ran a 4.47 that's awesome speed.

[JoeyFlex5]

32 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Shaq did have Vic Beasley. But ok, I'll dig more into him. Didn't because Walt wrote he could only fit a 4-3, but apparently that's false 

Ahh ur right I forgot about that. This was his best year though and the best of his supporting cast was dodd and that is nowhere near the likes of bosas squad. 

 

I think slimming down to 260-265 and lining up full time at OLB would mange him a double digit guy and an elite run defender. 

 

 

[ravensnick]

Charles Tapper really impressed me. 4.59 speed at 6'2", 270 lbs is almost Clowney fast. He needs work on his technique and hands, but boy that's impressive. He could be a solid round 2/3 option. 

 

Same for Joe Schobert. Wasn't sure if he was an NFL caliber athlete and he proved he is more than good enough. I'd take him 3rd round. 

Edited February 28, 2016 by ravensnick