[News] Late For Work 2/15: Matt Forte Fits Ravens, But Only On The Surface

[FlaccoIsMyQuarterback5]

Signing Matt Forte would be like me flying to the moon tomorrow to have breakfast. It's never going to happen. The factors that would have to be involved are age and money. If Talioferro can't stay healthy, we might as well just cut him and keep Allen and West and sign Forte to replace Talioferro. But let's be realistic here. It won't happen.

[757RavensFan]

26 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Also implies that there would be a corner or pass rusher available at #6 worth taking there. We certainly aren't in a position where we need to reach for a position of need, and we're certainly looking for a player who will help us more in the long run than the short run.

Pass rusher certainly gets addressed one way or another in this draft, but corner I'm not so sure about.

While I would love to have Ramsey at 6th, if J. Smith and Will Davis come back healthy along w/ Shareece Wright, it's a crap shoot if a rookie DB could make their way on the 1st team D. 

[FlaccoIsMyQuarterback5]

  47 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Also implies that there would be a corner or pass rusher available at #6 worth taking there. We certainly aren't in a position where we need to reach for a position of need, and we're certainly looking for a player who will help us more in the long run than the short run.

Pass rusher certainly gets addressed one way or another in this draft, but corner I'm not so sure about.

While I would love to have Ramsey at 6th, if J. Smith and Will Davis come back healthy along w/ Shareece Wright, it's a crap shoot if a rookie DB could make their way on the 1st team D. 

Ramsey would be a safety. I don't he would have a problem beating Lewis and Webb for the job because they're both mediocre.

[rmcjacket23]

12 minutes ago, FlaccoIsMyQuarterback5 said:

Ramsey would be a safety. I don't he would have a problem beating Lewis and Webb for the job because they're both mediocre.

Well the truth is we have no idea how Webb does at FS.

Ramsey would probably start his career as a corner in my opinion. There aren't too many safeties who come in the league and start and play well right away.

[harfordravenfan]

1 hour ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

We don't need an expensive aging RB.Our running game is just fine with Forsett and Buck.

 

Agreed and also: 2,500+ touches compared to forsett's 900+ is a lot of tread on those tires

[bioLarzen]

2 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

I realize that cap space is great if you have it, but teams like the Patriots manage to stay in the playoffs top tier with consistently having little to no cap left going into FA. This year they are -1.6 mil. So IMHO I think too much is made over the cap space available. Sure it would be great to have 20-30 mil to sign a superstar, but how often does that "superstar" fizzle into a dud on a new team? To me it seems like organizations that try to buy Super Bowl teams, usually flop. I think that smaller smart acquisitions of players with a chip on their shoulder, and team building, will get you into the postseason more so than big name buying.....just my two cents. GO RAVENS!

The Patriots aren't wizards and maficians eiter - they are just capitalizing on a lucky constellation: Belichick and Brady. Belichick is a class on his own in coming up with masterplans tailored exactly to maximize the potentiel of the roster he has - and Brady is excellent in utilizing the few but quality weapons he has. And that's it. That's the magic behind the Pats' unusually long streak. I guarantee you that once this tandem breaks for a considerable part of a season, the Pats are suddenly gonna look like an "ordinary" NFL team. And if it's Belichick that's out, the Pats are gonna go down like a concrete slab in water - because the way the Pats operate can only be successful under a guy like him. Nobody else can successfully manage a so under-talented O this long. Basically, all they need is 2 good receivers and one short-yardage running back and Brady - and there you have it. Brady has Edelman and Gronkowski to throw to, and Blunt to convert 3rd-and-shorts... And this formula can even carry a mediocre D - so, when they happen to have a good D, it's a bonus.

The real difference between the Pats and the Ravens is in the philosophy: while Belichick never has any "preset" preferences and dogmas, it's only the available roster he cares about, the Ravens have been trying to shape the roster and game philosophy along hazy buzzwords, like "the Ravens Defense" and "Ravens football" - even after most of the players that could make it work, were long gone. The only D player still around of those we still like to call the "Ravens way of D" is Suggs. Nobody else. Still we're trying to recapture the "Old Ravens D". In the meantime, we have a Flacco, and all we would have to provide him with is a little permanence on that side of the ball. But no, the Rasens O has always been treated like the little brother of the D. OC's coming and going season after season, his top weapons constantly changing, favouring the D side with the top rounds in the draft most of the time... While the Pats and Belcihick realized that if you're lucky enough to have a stable franchise QB you MUST provide him with some consistence, the Ravens seem to have been unable to realize how to treat - and more importantly, optimally utilize... - a franchise QB... We're still trying to make this team a defense first team, although most of what made us a truly great D in tha past is long gone - and the rules have been constantly moving towards favouring the offenses and allow the defenses less and less of what made the legendary Ravens D's so damn good.

I think what the Ravens would need the most is someone realize they have been forgetting to change the calendars in the Castle, and they still work like it's 2000...

[purpledown]

the Ravens dont have enough money to sign Forte, even though he says money is not a factor. He has New England written in his future,lol.

[FloridalovesRavens]

  3 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

I realize that cap space is great if you have it, but teams like the Patriots manage to stay in the playoffs top tier with consistently having little to no cap left going into FA. This year they are -1.6 mil. So IMHO I think too much is made over the cap space available. Sure it would be great to have 20-30 mil to sign a superstar, but how often does that "superstar" fizzle into a dud on a new team? To me it seems like organizations that try to buy Super Bowl teams, usually flop. I think that smaller smart acquisitions of players with a chip on their shoulder, and team building, will get you into the postseason more so than big name buying.....just my two cents. GO RAVENS!

The Patriots aren't wizards and maficians eiter - they are just capitalizing on a lucky constellation: Belichick and Brady. Belichick is a class on his own in coming up with masterplans tailored exactly to maximize the potentiel of the roster he has - and Brady is excellent in utilizing the few but quality weapons he has. And that's it. That's the magic behind the Pats' unusually long streak. I guarantee you that once this tandem breaks for a considerable part of a season, the Pats are suddenly gonna look like an "ordinary" NFL team. And if it's Belichick that's out, the Pats are gonna go down like a concrete slab in water - because the way the Pats operate can only be successful under a guy like him. Nobody else can successfully manage a so under-talented O this long. Basically, all they need is 2 good receivers and one short-yardage running back and Brady - and there you have it. Brady has Edelman and Gronkowski to throw to, and Blunt to convert 3rd-and-shorts... And this formula can even carry a mediocre D - so, when they happen to have a good D, it's a bonus.

The real difference between the Pats and the Ravens is in the philosophy: while Belichick never has any "preset" preferences and dogmas, it's only the available roster he cares about, the Ravens have been trying to shape the roster and game philosophy along hazy buzzwords, like "the Ravens Defense" and "Ravens football" - even after most of the players that could make it work, were long gone. The only D player still around of those we still like to call the "Ravens way of D" is Suggs. Nobody else. Still we're trying to recapture the "Old Ravens D". In the meantime, we have a Flacco, and all we would have to provide him with is a little permanence on that side of the ball. But no, the Rasens O has always been treated like the little brother of the D. OC's coming and going season after season, his top weapons constantly changing, favouring the D side with the top rounds in the draft most of the time... While the Pats and Belcihick realized that if you're lucky enough to have a stable franchise QB you MUST provide him with some consistence, the Ravens seem to have been unable to realize how to treat - and more importantly, optimally utilize... - a franchise QB... We're still trying to make this team a defense first team, although most of what made us a truly great D in tha past is long gone - and the rules have been constantly moving towards favouring the offenses and allow the defenses less and less of what made the legendary Ravens D's so damn good.

I think what the Ravens would need the most is someone realize they have been forgetting to change the calendars in the Castle, and they still work like it's 2000...

I think the biggest difference between Pats and Ravens is they cheat we don't!

On another note can you imagine what Flacco would do with Boldin, Smith and Smith. WOW. Also add in Aiken. I can dream can't I.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

I think the biggest difference between Pats and Ravens is they cheat we don't!

On another note can you imagine what Flacco would do with Boldin, Smith and Smith. WOW. Also add in Aiken. I can dream can't I.

Considering Boldin and Steve are practically the same players in terms of skill sets, the production wouldn't be that great.

[regz1997]

  39 minutes ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

I think the biggest difference between Pats and Ravens is they cheat we don't!

On another note can you imagine what Flacco would do with Boldin, Smith and Smith. WOW. Also add in Aiken. I can dream can't I.

Considering Boldin and Steve are practically the same players in terms of skill sets, the production wouldn't be that great.

That's true. But I think Steve would still be more productive than Anquan. Steve would probably have more yardage, but Boldin would still be that red-zone specialist we hoped marlon brown would develop into.

[NCMan]

  4 hours ago, balfan23 said:

The guy said "of course thats not going to happen" ... so why beat him up? All he seems to be saying is, it would be nice, but it isn't going to happen, so it wouldn't appear he's living in a fantasy world. Court doesn't always have to be in session. 

Past history mostly. He's one of the guys going around saying guys we should sign as FAs despite the fact that those guys aren't actually going to be FAs.

We've discussed this at nauseum. If fans are expecting us to significantly upgrade WR via FA this offseason then disappointment should be expected. When guys like Travis Benjamin and Reuben Randle and among the best WRs available on the market, you know it's a bad market. And it's not like there's much expectation of quality WRs getting cut either.

 

Can you define for us mere mortal fans what "at nauseum" is?

[rmcjacket23]

10 minutes ago, NCMan said:

Can you define for us mere mortal fans what "at nauseum" is?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam

[mhedge]

Would we really franchise a kicker? Is a tender offer a possibility? I like Tucker as much as anybody but I think he made it clear he's going where the money is. I'll also say that if he gets an offer closer to TX he'll snatch it. I hope we can get something more than a comp pick for him.

Unless we can sign KO as a tackle i think he's definitely gone. 

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, mhedge said:

Would we really franchise a kicker? Is a tender offer a possibility? I like Tucker as much as anybody but I think he made it clear he's going where the money is. I'll also say that if he gets an offer closer to TX he'll snatch it. I hope we can get something more than a comp pick for him.

Unless we can sign KO as a tackle i think he's definitely gone. 

Yes, because franchise cost for a kicker isn't that much, and it'd be right around the amount we will sign him to an extension to anyway.

He's not leaving Baltimore anytime soon. He won't ever hit the open market so he won't be taking offers from other teams.

[balfan23]

2 minutes ago, mhedge said:

Would we really franchise a kicker? Is a tender offer a possibility? I like Tucker as much as anybody but I think he made it clear he's going where the money is. I'll also say that if he gets an offer closer to TX he'll snatch it. I hope we can get something more than a comp pick for him.

Unless we can sign KO as a tackle i think he's definitely gone. 

You can only tender restricted rights FAs. Tucker is unrestricted. It makes sense to franchise any player that you think is in the top 5 of his position. I think Tucker qualifies, so yes, I expect that we'll use the franchise tag if we are unable to reach a long term deal. I'm not sure KO will have any bearing on what we do with Tucker. 

[stixfix69]

No to Forte, when there are backs in the draft, like that kid who was a beast at Ark......

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

You can only tender restricted rights FAs. Tucker is unrestricted. It makes sense to franchise any player that you think is in the top 5 of his position. I think Tucker qualifies, so yes, I expect that we'll use the franchise tag if we are unable to reach a long term deal. I'm not sure KO will have any bearing on what we do with Tucker. 

Yeah may be able to save $1-2M against the cap this year by extending Tucker rather than franchising, but not a huge impact on KO.

He will likely price himself out.

[stixfix69]

i would sign KO long term this year, and Tag Tucker, as the tag for a kicker has to be less, than for a Blind side LT....If Monroe is given a clean bill of health, he should be a easy trade, with a ton of teams looking for stability at LT.....JMO....

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

i would sign KO long term this year, and Tag Tucker, as the tag for a kicker has to be less, than for a Blind side LT....If Monroe is given a clean bill of health, he should be a easy trade, with a ton of teams looking for stability at LT.....JMO....

Not with his contract. Nobody is trading for that.

They could probably sign KO for a similar price and not have to trade anything.

[FloridalovesRavens]

  2 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

I think the biggest difference between Pats and Ravens is they cheat we don't!

On another note can you imagine what Flacco would do with Boldin, Smith and Smith. WOW. Also add in Aiken. I can dream can't I.

Considering Boldin and Steve are practically the same players in terms of skill sets, the production wouldn't be that great.

Guess we'll never know anyway.

[mettro79]

Forte is definitely not a need that we should spend anything on. Don't get me wrong, Forte still has a lot to offer a team, it's just at a position that we are sitting pretty at right now. That cap money can go to filling other holes.

[stixfix69]

a lot of people would be surprised what a team would pay for a starting LT, and it's not like Monroe is making money that teams with a ton of cap space can;t afford....

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

a lot of people would be surprised what a team would pay for a starting LT, and it's not like Monroe is making money that teams with a ton of cap space can;t afford....

You're right...that's why they'd just sign KO instead of trading for Monroe.

[stixfix69]

we have Monroe, we wouldn't be trading for him, we would be trading him for a draft pick.....

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

we have Monroe, we wouldn't be trading for him, we would be trading him for a draft pick.....

Yes, I know. I'm saying the team you want to trade him to wouldn't trade for him because they could just sign KO instead.

 

[mearzunkies]

Smitty AND Q on the same side, same field & same time? Oh HELL yeah!

[stixfix69]

  2 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

a lot of people would be surprised what a team would pay for a starting LT, and it's not like Monroe is making money that teams with a ton of cap space can;t afford....

You're right...that's why they'd just sign KO instead of trading for Monroe.

The key obviously would get KO under contract, before we offered up Monroe to anyone....If KO walks, then Monroe would stay....

[rmcjacket23]

53 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

The key obviously would get KO under contract, before we offered up Monroe to anyone....If KO walks, then Monroe would stay....

Teams probably won't wait that long, and I doubt KO resigns without hitting the open market first. We also may not have the cap space to carry both at same time while we wait to trade Monroe.

Edited February 16, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[stixfix69]

  1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

The key obviously would get KO under contract, before we offered up Monroe to anyone....If KO walks, then Monroe would stay....

Teams probably won't wait that long, and I doubt KO resigns without hitting the open market first.

KO Doesn't seem like a type of player who will chase the highest bid, if Oz were to offer him something close to what he could live with, i think he would stay....He is very familiar with the Legacies here in B-More, and IMO, i feel he wants to part of it all....but time will tell....

[TheConquerorWorm]

a lot of people would be surprised what a team would pay for a starting LT, and it's not like Monroe is making money that teams with a ton of cap space can;t afford....

Pay and trade are 2 different things. We gave a 4th & 5th round for Monroe back when he was younger and had upside. Now, he's shown he's just an average LT that can't stay healthy - what do you think someone would give now? a 6th? Might as well keep him at that.