Whats your favorite 1-2 round combo?

[L.A.Ravens]

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I am very intrigued on where Smith goes

There's talk of him having a really big chance of never playing football again because of the knee injury. "It's bad". Mock drafts even have him going in the 4th round. If we take him with our comp pick or our Denver 4th round pick I'll be happy for the chance one day he does come back and plays at a high level like he did before the injury.

[RaineV1]

4 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Actually we need a tight end and that is an underrated need. Pitta is likely going to get cut for cap space unless doctors clear him. Gillmore has had multiple surgeries and is expected to miss early training. Boyle is suspended 10 games... Maxx Williams is our only for sure tight end at the moment haha.

Right, I kinda forgot about Boyle. Still wouldn't want to use the 2nd round pick on a TE, but I suppose it would be a good idea to keep an eye out for them in the mid rounds and among the UDFA.

[RavensFanMania]

On 2/15/2016 at 5:24 AM, Jacquouille said:

I don't understand how you can know that by watching film (that's a real question)

 

That would be very nice, and they would greatly benefit from each other.

It's pretty easy to notice this when you watch the game tape. 

On 2/15/2016 at 8:36 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Because His first step is not a fast one, but you can see him jump at the same exact time as the snap Sometimes. 

 

At times he is nearly offsides, other times he is the last off the snap, and there is very little middle ground for Calhoun.

 

[Jacquouille]

8 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

It's pretty easy to notice this when you watch the game tape. 

 

As idiot as I may sound, I can't tell on tape, to me all the players are basically exploding at the same time. The only one that I could really tell was before the others was Chris Jones. Having never even played one snap of footballor watch it live, I guess that's my limit as a newbie.

[52520Andrew]

52 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

As idiot as I may sound, I can't tell on tape, to me all the players are basically exploding at the same time. The only one that I could really tell was before the others was Chris Jones. Having never even played one snap of footballor watch it live, I guess that's my limit as a newbie.

It is something you pick up the more players you watch so just be patient with it. If you want a good example of someone with burst, go watch some Aaron Donald highlights. Bonus points if you find some college tape of him as it is even more apparent.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

As idiot as I may sound, I can't tell on tape, to me all the players are basically exploding at the same time. The only one that I could really tell was before the others was Chris Jones. Having never even played one snap of footballor watch it live, I guess that's my limit as a newbie.

Compare Robert nkemdiche tape to Emmanuel ogbah tape. Similar positions and body types, but one has a very inconsistent first step and the others is second to none. 

 

Or while we're on the topic of calhoun, compare his tape to Leonard Floyd in 2014 when he was primarily an edge rusher. That should be a good start to pointing out the difference and once you see it then it should stand out to you

[ellicottraven]

Right so this is for all the avid tape watchers out there. After the combine and the hours you guys have spent watching tape of different prospects I have 2 questions for you. Who is the best edge rushing prospect in this draft that fits our scheme and can be productive from day 1. Second, if we don't pick that pass rusher, who do you think we pick based on your gut in the first?

[JoeyFlex5]

13 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Right so this is for all the avid tape watchers out there. After the combine and the hours you guys have spent watching tape of different prospects I have 2 questions for you. Who is the best edge rushing prospect in this draft that fits our scheme and can be productive from day 1. Second, if we don't pick that pass rusher, who do you think we pick based on your gut in the first?

Bosa is still tops without question. After him the best pure edge rusher I'd give to Leonard Floyd and best 34OLB I'd give to Shaq. 

 

If Bosa isn't there... My gut says Myles Jack. If neither are there I think it's vh3 or buckner, I think buckner bosa avid Ramsey are all gone so I think Jack is our guy

[GrimCoconut]

15 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Right so this is for all the avid tape watchers out there. After the combine and the hours you guys have spent watching tape of different prospects I have 2 questions for you. Who is the best edge rushing prospect in this draft that fits our scheme and can be productive from day 1. Second, if we don't pick that pass rusher, who do you think we pick based on your gut in the first?

I've gone through this in my head a lot, but it has to be Bosa and here's why: 

The Ravens run a 3-4, and that's true; however, what people fail to realize is that this system is very much a hybrid. I realize that many of us understand that it's a hybrid scheme but most of us don't understand just how much of a hybrid we run. If you look at a lot of the OLB/DE guys we have, they're mostly these bigger OLBs that hold up the edge and apply pressure. We have some exceptions, of course, but look at the OLBs we've produced, recently and in the past, and it is apparent that we like versatile OLB/DE that can switch from a 2-point to 3-point rushing stance rather quickly in order to disguise pressure.

It's not that we don't ask our OLBs to apply pressure because we obviously do; however, we seem to favor the bigger OLBs that can also play DE in the 4-3 if we should choose to show that alignment that it doesn't tip our hand that it may or may not be that alignment. It also allows us to mix up our scheme and avoid rotating personnel unnecessarily, which is problematic against hurry-up offenses. Bosa is, by far, the best choice for this reason. His arms, explosion, and quickness are ideal for this scheme and he has the size to slide inside to apply pressure as well in a heavy pass rush formation. 

[nishadrahman13]

Top 1-2 punch: Myles Jack and William Jackson III.

[Ravensfan23]

I think Bosa is the guy. He is as close to what Suggs brought to this team for the last 10+ years. A well rounded complete edge rusher. The way Mr. Biscotti raves about the impact Suggs has on this defense outside of just getting pressure makes it nearly impossible to see a nearly exactly clone available and the Ravens not pouncing. Bosa also matches the exact temperament the Ravens look for in a player, especially a top guy. Bosa is a "dog". That's the best way to describe him. Much like Suggs he'll be a star that also does the dirty work in helping free teammates up. His presence, once he develops his game at the NFL level, will free up guys like BW, Timmy, Davis and ZDS. If first year or two learning under Suggs will be huge. 

Ramsey is my guy but he'll be long gone imo. Bosa is a very close 2nd.

[January J]

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 5:42 AM, polynesian15 said:

9 hours ago, nishadrahman13 said:

Top 1-2 punch: Myles Jack and William Jackson III.

This is where im At.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I worry that ogbah falls to our 2nd and we get enamored with his measurables.. 

 

After some extensive film study, I just dont see an NFL player there, he is so incredibly stiff that he looks like his body might snap every time he tries to bend lol. Everything from his first step to his 3point stance looks horrible, the way he engages, refuses to disengage, his very awkward and tall underhook when turning the corner, he just has soooooo far to go before he is a NFL caliber guy. I see a lot of workout warrior in him but he's a bit like shawn oakman, just looks like a bad football player for the next level

[January J]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I worry that ogbah falls to our 2nd and we get enamored with his measurables.. 

 

After some extensive film study, I just dont see an NFL player there, he is so incredibly stiff that he looks like his body might snap every time he tries to bend lol. Everything from his first step to his 3point stance looks horrible, the way he engages, refuses to disengage, his very awkward and tall underhook when turning the corner, he just has soooooo far to go before he is a NFL caliber guy. I see a lot of workout warrior in him but he's a bit like shawn oakman, just looks like a bad football player for the next level

Im Hoping that ozzie Sees the same thing- im Sure he will.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, January J said:

Im Hoping that ozzie Sees the same thing- im Sure he will.

Yeah his potential could be sky high because he's a freak athlete but his game is just hideous

[ellicottraven]

25 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I worry that ogbah falls to our 2nd and we get enamored with his measurables.. 

 

After some extensive film study, I just dont see an NFL player there, he is so incredibly stiff that he looks like his body might snap every time he tries to bend lol. Everything from his first step to his 3point stance looks horrible, the way he engages, refuses to disengage, his very awkward and tall underhook when turning the corner, he just has soooooo far to go before he is a NFL caliber guy. I see a lot of workout warrior in him but he's a bit like shawn oakman, just looks like a bad football player for the next level

I think after having the privilege of seeing Monroe first hand (workout warrior exemplar), and being thoroughly conned by him (king of phantom injuries) the Ravens have smarted to these types of players...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I've done 7 or 8 mock draft generators where ive picked for the ravens this week... and every time I've gotten Ramsey at 6 and Darron Lee in the 2nd. I know that wont happen, but itd be a nice 1-2 haul.

I think Bosa falls to us in the 1st. In the 2nd, there's a number of players id be really happy with and i imagine at least a couple will fall there. At this point its really tough to nail down which guys will be there between the end of the 1st and early 2nd. I dont have a good grip on it yet.

But, its so nice to be drafting at the beginning of each round. 

[Jacquouille]

I'm convinced we NEED to trade back up in the 20s. There will without a doubt be a faller there that could change our team.

I don't  care if we loose picks, we have a deep roster, we need game changers now.

[Davesta]

5 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm convinced we NEED to trade back up in the 20s. There will without a doubt be a faller there that could change our team.

I don't  care if we loose picks, we have a deep roster, we need game changers now.

We have so many 4th rounders, I don't see why not. But you know how much Ozzie loves picks

[52520Andrew]

6 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm convinced we NEED to trade back up in the 20s. There will without a doubt be a faller there that could change our team.

I don't  care if we loose picks, we have a deep roster, we need game changers now.

Yeah I would be fine with a trade up in the late first. We have quite a few 4th rounders as well so I think  it could be a move we can make.

[RayRave2]

My hopes are Bosa-William Jackson III. More realistic though i see Buckner-Fuller.

[RayRave2]

4 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah I would be fine with a trade up in the late first. We have quite a few 4th rounders as well so I think  it could be a move we can make.

Yeah but this year has a boom of mid round talent with the large number of juniors leaving school. I wouldn't want to lose to many opportunities at those guys and it would take a lot for a team to trade all the way out of the first day of the draft.

[52520Andrew]

11 minutes ago, RayRave2 said:

Yeah but this year has a boom of mid round talent with the large number of juniors leaving school. I wouldn't want to lose to many opportunities at those guys and it would take a lot for a team to trade all the way out of the first day of the draft.

I agree but we have our regular 4th, Denver's 4th later in the round, and then more than likely 2 4th round comp picks. I think we can trade up but still have enough mid round picks to take advantage. 

[RayRave2]

It's hard not to sit and day dream about a pass rush consisting of Doom and Sizzle on the outside, Bosa and Jernigan at each end, and big Brandon Williams in the middle.... *wipes drool*

[ngatainmyhouse]

1st - Vernon Haregraves

2nd - Noah Spence

3rd - Jaylon Smith

is something I just thought of as a possibility and I actually teared up

[Baltimore RAYvens]

After Nkemdiche's combine interviews do you think we ould/would grab him in the second? Especially if we get Bosa in the first grabbing two guys with maturity issues would be interesting

[RayRave2]

Thoughts on Shawn Oakman? He's really gone under the radar in the draft process so far. Physically he's very intriguing to me.

[CCRed]

11 minutes ago, RayRave2 said:

Thoughts on Shawn Oakman? He's really gone under the radar in the draft process so far. Physically he's very intriguing to me.

 

He is a physical specimen but he has no love for the game and doesnt seem to want to get better unless he somehow falls to the 5th round I dont want the Ravens to touch him

[L.A.Ravens]

23 minutes ago, RayRave2 said:

Thoughts on Shawn Oakman? He's really gone under the radar in the draft process so far. Physically he's very intriguing to me.

He's as strong as oak

[ravensnj]

1)  Deforest Buckner 2) Cyrus Jones 3) Sterling Sheppard 4) Scooby Wright.  I Threw my next 2 rds in my personal pipe -dream draft.