Whats your favorite 1-2 round combo?

[Jacquouille]

I'm wondering, would people here be happy if Ozzie takes Nkemdiche in the 2nd? His character concerns seem real and his game is full of flaws, but if we can erase them, he has a ton of upsides. He kind of reminds me of a Jernigan 2.0 with his attitude.

[Clmraven]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm wondering, would people here be happy if Ozzie takes Nkemdiche in the 2nd? His character concerns seem real and his game is full of flaws, but if we can erase them, he has a ton of upsides. He kind of reminds me of a Jernigan 2.0 with his attitude.

Id be open to it, yes he has character concerns and he's also a project on the field aswell, but developing D-lineman is something we do best, and Nkemdiche is a Warren Sapp type athlete, if he panned out he has all the tools to be the best DT/DE in the league. And it's funny because I'm not even a big fan of his but in the second,the potential is insane.

[thieverycorporation]

Jaylon Smith and Fuller/Boyd.

[Wildabeast88]

4 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

I'd be ecstatic if we got Spence in the 1st and Thompson in the 2nd! I think thompsons stock will rise some as we get closer to the draft. If by some chance Thompson ran a 4.47 range 40 he might slip into the late 1st round. Especially if the 1st safety Ramsey is gone in the in the top 3 of the 1st round. 

I like that combo however if we draft Thompson I think Webb would move back to CB because if Thompson is at FS there is no need for Webb at FS

[Wildabeast88]

3 hours ago, Mad Puppy said:

It's my opinion that Ozzie likes to take a risks with the 2nd rounder. He is willing to take a guy with off field warts or an injury who has talent there. 

some guys that fit this mold are:

Noah Spence, OLB Eastern Kentucky - Well documented Ecstasy issues, and booted out of NCAA big 10. Now rumors he bombed the Senior bowl interviews?

Robert Nkemdiche, DL Ole Miss - Marijuana and falling out an hotel balcony.....

Jaylon Smith, OLB ND - Depends on if he can work out in the combine.....Taking a guy in the 1st round who you know isn't going to be physically ready is not a good idea.

Tyler Boyd, WR Pitt - off field issues

 

I'm fine with Spence and Boyd. Nkemdiche has the measurables and athleticism but under performed I would not want him in the 2nd or 3rd a dominant guy like that with 5 sacks in 2 years I want no parts of. Smith will not work out at the combine being 6-7 weeks out of surgery and he may not even play this season

[Jacquouille]

I don't understand the concerns over Calhoun's first step, it's actually one of the fastest I've seen in this class... I do agree that he lacks strength in his hands to push the OT, but he can work on that. Overall, I really liked what I saw from him, and I just started today... I would be thrilled to have him with our 2nd round, he's got everything I'm looking for and can easily transition into an OLB

[gabefergy]

17 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Ideally, Jalen Ramsey and Josh Doctson. Realistically Noah Spence and Cody Whitehair

This would be my ideal 1 and 2 as well, but seems unlikely for both.

My more realistic draft would be Jack and Will Fuller which is why I mocked them to us haha.

 

[gabefergy]

4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm wondering, would people here be happy if Ozzie takes Nkemdiche in the 2nd? His character concerns seem real and his game is full of flaws, but if we can erase them, he has a ton of upsides. He kind of reminds me of a Jernigan 2.0 with his attitude.

I think he will still go top 10. He's lightyears more athletic than Jernigan, but he has issues with run defense.

[arnie_uk]

Spence and Jaylon Smith for me. Wee trade back for Spence wee trade up for a falling smith

[allblackraven]

35 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Spence and Jaylon Smith for me. Wee trade back for Spence wee trade up for a falling smith

Man, we'd be singing all the way back to Baltimore, 3 LBs from top 10 in NFL.

[arnie_uk]

18 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Man, we'd be singing all the way back to Baltimore, 3 LBs from top 10 in NFL.

My ideal scenario is trade with the rams for both their seconds. Take spence. Then use the rams two seconds to jump to mid 20s and take smith if he falls with injuries. Maybe even need our 3rd to go to the late teen's. The with out original 2nd either take a safety/wr/CB. What ever is best avail.

[pechillo]

I like Thompson. But Karl Joseph has better natural instinct and is a better playmaker. Karl Joseph in the 2nd round if he performs well at the combine, if not then Ravens could get him in a mid round, but he is definitely the best safety in the draft. 1st round I like the Ravens trading back and getting VH3 or Staley if Kelechi is gone which is likely. 

[PurpleCity5]

Within reach I would probably say my favorite is Jaylon Smith and Darian Thompson. Two great players IMO, would be a boost for our defense. I just hope we sign a CB if that happens. 

[usmccharles]

Myles Jack and Boyd. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I don't understand the concerns over Calhoun's first step, it's actually one of the fastest I've seen in this class... I do agree that he lacks strength in his hands to push the OT, but he can work on that. Overall, I really liked what I saw from him, and I just started today... I would be thrilled to have him with our 2nd round, he's got everything I'm looking for and can easily transition into an OLB

He anticipates the snap. Sometimes he times it perfectly and other times he is extremely late off the ball, and when he guesses wrong he is very slow to step

[Dewy101]

Buckner and Leonard Floyd

[numerounopapi]

9 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

My ideal scenario is trade with the rams for both their seconds. Take spence. Then use the rams two seconds to jump to mid 20s and take smith if he falls with injuries. Maybe even need our 3rd to go to the late teen's. The with out original 2nd either take a safety/wr/CB. What ever is best avail.

Just to put the cherry on top of this dream scenario... we draft Thompson with our original 2nd and this defense will be OUT of this world. Potentially back to the level of great ravens defense aka 2000 Ravens defense. 

[Jacquouille]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He anticipates the snap. Sometimes he times it perfectly and other times he is extremely late off the ball, and when he guesses wrong he is very slow to step

I don't understand how you can know that by watching film (that's a real question)

 

6 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

Buckner and Leonard Floyd

That would be very nice, and they would greatly benefit from each other.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I don't understand how you can know that by watching film (that's a real question)

Because His first step is not a fast one, but you can see him jump at the same exact time as the snap Sometimes. 

 

At times he is nearly offsides, other times he is the last off the snap, and there is very little middle ground for Calhoun.

[Clmraven]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Because His first step is not a fast one, but you can see him jump at the same exact time as the snap Sometimes. 

 

At times he is nearly offsides, other times he is the last off the snap, and there is very little middle ground for Calhoun.

Most of this is true, I'll say this though I think his snap anticipation is inconsistent but I think he could be a good #2 pass rusher, more of a Paul Kruger rather than Suggs if you know what I mean, and FWIW it seems he's slower off the line during run downs, almost like he's phoning it in IMO, on obvious pass downs he usually gets a pretty good first step off.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

Most of this is true, I'll say this though I think his snap anticipation is inconsistent but I think he could be a good #2 pass rusher, more of a Paul Kruger rather than Suggs if you know what I mean, and FWIW it seems he's slower off the line during run downs, almost like he's phoning it in IMO, on obvious pass downs he usually gets a pretty good first step off.

I would absolutely agree with the Kruger comp. I think his floor is flat out bust and it's possible, his ceiling I think is pretty close to a Kruger in our SB year. 

 

with his lack of a first step I think he'll never be a real speed rusher but with his violent and pretty refined style I think he could pack on 20 lbs and become a very good bullrusher.

[757RavensFan]

Interested to see some folks say Spence in the 1st round and others in the 2nd. 

[Jacquouille]

21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

with his lack of a first step I think he'll never be a real speed rusher but with his violent and pretty refined style I think he could pack on 20 lbs and become a very good bullrusher.

Funny, I've heard several times the expert saying Calhoun had an insane first step, I guess that's my limit as an analyst, I can't follow here.

He definitely needs to improve his bullrush, I've seen him countless times put a Tackle on his heels and not be able to finish it just because he lacked strength. I still think he could become a very good OLB, he's fluid and can rush from the stand up position better than most of the pass rushers I've seen in this class.

[Edgar]

32 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Interested to see some folks say Spence in the 1st round and others in the 2nd. 

At this point I'd say spence may not make it to number six in round one. 

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Funny, I've heard several times the expert saying Calhoun had an insane first step, I guess that's my limit as an analyst, I can't follow here.

He definitely needs to improve his bullrush, I've seen him countless times put a Tackle on his heels and not be able to finish it just because he lacked strength. I still think he could become a very good OLB, he's fluid and can rush from the stand up position better than most of the pass rushers I've seen in this class.

His anticipation is great but when he fails to time his jump then his slow starts become very obvious, that part of his game really jumps off the film to me. These analysts may be confusing a quick first step with His anticipation. The thing about it is that NFL tackles have such a fast backpedal that no amount of anticipation can help if you have no explosion off the line.

[Jacquouille]

26 minutes ago, Edgar said:

At this point I'd say spence may not make it to number six in round one. 

C'mon...

 

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His anticipation is great but when he fails to time his jump then his slow starts become very obvious, that part of his game really jumps off the film to me. These analysts may be confusing a quick first step with His anticipation. The thing about it is that NFL tackles have such a fast backpedal that no amount of anticipation can help if you have no explosion off the line.

Well then I may be completely unable to see the difference on films!

[Edgar]

25 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

C'mon...

 

Well then I may be completely unable to see the difference on films!

I'd be happy to be wrong on this and see us take him. Really talented guy at a highly valued position. I see him as top five in this draft.

[GrimCoconut]

59 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Funny, I've heard several times the expert saying Calhoun had an insane first step, I guess that's my limit as an analyst, I can't follow here.

He definitely needs to improve his bullrush, I've seen him countless times put a Tackle on his heels and not be able to finish it just because he lacked strength. I still think he could become a very good OLB, he's fluid and can rush from the stand up position better than most of the pass rushers I've seen in this class.

You had me curious because I personally don't see any indication he has what I'd call an "insane first step" so I looked into it and I found an article that confirms your comment. 

http://thedraftwire.usatoday.com/2015/12/31/everything-you-need-to-know-about-2016-nfl-draft-prospect-shilique-calhoun/

What's interesting about this is it says he has an elite first step then goes on to say right after that he times snaps well. 

I then went to look and see if anyone else shared my view and found one:

http://www.catscratchreader.com/2015/12/3/9775856/tap-thursday-afternoon-prospect-draft-2016-profile-shilique-calhoun

This article is perfectly spot on imo regarding Calhoun. 

Then again, nobody is a perfect authority here, including professional analysts and scouts. We all have different interpretations of prospects. I actually used to like Calhoun a lot but when he returned for his senior year I watched more of him and watched him closer and saw how it looked like he just times the snap really well rather than being simply explosive off the ball. 

[GrimCoconut]

7 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I'd be happy to be wrong on this and see us take him. Really talented guy at a highly valued position. I see him as top five in this draft.

Maybe it's possible he goes earlier than expected, especially in a weak pass rusher class, but I think he'll go somewhere between top 5 to 40. He falls into a group of names with question marks. This class reminds me a lot of the 2012 one.

Edited February 15, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Jacquouille]

The more I see of him, the more I am convinced that if Myles Jack is there at 6, he's our guy. He would add so much more to our defense than any of the CBs or pass rushers in this draft. His talent is truly special.