Whats your favorite 1-2 round combo?

[Jacquouille]

11 hours ago, Inqui said:

I see what you did there.

OMG didn't even do it on purpose lmao

[KBoum]

Here's my latest dream scenario. wanted to keep it "a bit" realistic even if I know Jack wouldnt slip that far. 

6 : R1P6  - ILB- MYLES JACK, UCLA

36: R2P5  -CB- WILLIAM JACKSON III, HOUSTON

70: R3P7  -34 DE CHRIS JONES, MISSISSIPPI STATE

105: R4P6 - 34 OLB- YANNICK NGAKOUE, MARYLAND

131: R4P32  -OT- WILLIE BEAVERS, WESTERN MICHIGAN

133: R4P34  -G- CONNOR MCGOVERN, MISSOURI

135: R4P36 -34 OLB- DADI LHOMME NICOLAS, VIRGINIA TECH

183: R6P7 –S- DEANDRE HOUSTON-CARSON, WILLIAM & MARY

210: R6P34  - G/OT- JOE DAHL, WASHINGTON STATE

[Edgar]

Now,especially with Hill gone I would love Darian Thompson in the second. (SS)

 among my favorite players.

not sure who my favorite match in round one might be.

[RavensDieHard21]

The Draft needs to hurry up! But anyway, taking a pessimistic view, I am going to argue for something many believe to be the unthinkable! I am praying that one of the top 5 drop to us, but if Cleveland is a smarter franchise under Jackson, which they could be, and they end up with a veteran QB and elect to bypass Wentz or Goff, then we have a real decision to make. Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa, Jack, and Buckner are all gone and we are on the clock. I would love a slight trade back with the Rams or maybe the Eagles, etc., but that all depends on another team coveting a player at 6 to move up. With no biters on a trade back, most here have elected to take VH3 and most analyst have us taking Stanley, but I feel it will be in our best interest to take SHAQ LAWSON. I think most people would agree that he is a very talented pass rusher and defensive player as a whole, maybe not elite yet, but has the potential to be. Clemson asks so much of their Defensive ends and he was able to do it all. He bull rushed the passer using his hands, strength, and even a pretty sick spin move, while also being able to set the edge and diagnose screen, bootlegs, etc. His pro day and the combine showed that he is explosive and a high character guy undeniably. While I think Hargreaves is perhaps more of a safe bet, pass rushers in this draft drop off quick and the plethora of quality corners will certainly extend to pick 36, and if needed we could trade up if Alexander, Apple, or Jackson III were to fall, especially since our FO is in a win now mode. It just seems that worst case scenario he becomes an Upshaw like player with his edge setting abilities that will log anywhere from 4-8 sacks a year, while the best case scenario is that he is the heir to Suggs and becomes a pro bowl +10 sacks a year player that has the high IQ to make calls at the line of scrimmage to make sure we are always in position. I also see Floyd, Dodd, and Spence all going by the second round too, especially with how valuable teams believe them to be. Teams like Pitt, Carolina, New York, Minnesota, and Buffalo need pass rushers too so I wouldn't be surprised if there is an early run on them, so neg me if you want, but this could be the best-worst case scenario.

[RaveDawg37]

9 hours ago, KBoum said:

Here's my latest dream scenario. wanted to keep it "a bit" realistic even if I know Jack wouldnt slip that far. 

6 : R1P6  - ILB- MYLES JACK, UCLA

 

36: R2P5  -CB- WILLIAM JACKSON III, HOUSTON

 

70: R3P7  -34 DE CHRIS JONES, MISSISSIPPI STATE

I completely agree with this. Both Kiper and McShay have Jack going to the Fins at 8 so things are looking good for this. Kiper has Jackson III going to Pittsburgh at 25 and McShay doesn't even have him going in the 1st, so I feel like that this is very easily achievable. I believe someone said it earlier in this thread not sure who, sorry if I can't quite quote you exactly but please give yourself the credit, but I would like to take Jaylon Smith with our 3rd pick because he was a 1st rd talent before he messed up his knee and if he sits a year, and recovers and rehabs well, and has a full year to learn the defensive schemes he could become one of the biggest steals of this draft plus learning under Sizzle and Doom could payout huge dividends. I'm not entirely sure where he's projected to go at this point but if Smith is there I say we take him, but if he isn't I really like Jones here.

 

SN: I'm new to the whole forums thing so if I apologize for any newbie mistakes; also I never really look further than Rd 3 mostly because I'm lazy but also a lot of these names start to run together so I give mad props to you for doing this much research and thinking about this.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Joey Bosa and William Jackson III

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Joey Bosa and William Jackson III

I also really like Xavien Howard. He's got some really good ball skills and I think he could do very well here across from Jimmy. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I also really like Xavien Howard. He's got some really good ball skills and I think he could do very well here across from Jimmy. 

I wasn't a big fan of his tape. I do see the ball skills and he plays nasty, but he's a bit like Cary williams, he brings some things to the defense but consistent coverage isn't one of them. I have a 3rd round grade on him and there would need to be no fallers for me to want him there

[GrimCoconut]

34 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I wasn't a big fan of his tape. I do see the ball skills and he plays nasty, but he's a bit like Cary williams, he brings some things to the defense but consistent coverage isn't one of them. I have a 3rd round grade on him and there would need to be no fallers for me to want him there

I think Howard would be a perfect fit in Seattle, but I agree with you. He needs some coverage work. He's a perfect fit for Seattle, though. I think Howard could be a good CB across from Jimmy but that depends on our safeties. I like the addition of Weddle and Webb may become something at S, so let's see. 

Edited March 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[JoeyFlex5]

16 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Howard would be a perfect fit in Seattle, but I agree with you. He needs some coverage work. He's a perfect fit for Seattle, though. I think Howard could be a good CB across from Jimmy but that depends on our safeties. I like the addition of Weddle and Webb may become something at S, so let's see. 

I think that with us having smart and savvy safeties and little pass rush, our best bet would be the best cover guys possible. Jimmy is a good mix of coverage, press, and ball skills, across from him I want a guy who's gonna make the qb wait another second or 2 before throwing on every snap, our safeties will be able to make plays and we will force coverage sacks. Basically, with good coverage the turnovers will come, but we need a guy who won't get beat because he has a narrow skill set. That's how I compare a guy like Howard to a guy like kevon Seymour who i think can be had at a similar range and has a more broad skill set

[Gordo52]

Dream scenerio is getting 1 of Ramsey/Jack/Treadwell/Buckner/Hargreaves and trading up in the 2nd for Whitehair or Jackson if they fall. 

[Davesta]

1st: buckner

2nd: spence

3rd: Cyrus jones

defense wins chamionships. 

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, Davesta said:

1st: buckner

2nd: spence

3rd: Cyrus jones

defense wins chamionships. 

Buckner and spence would have the Ravens "war room"jumping for joy I imagine.

[Edgar]

3 hours ago, Gordo52 said:

Dream scenerio is getting 1 of Ramsey/Jack/Treadwell/Buckner/Hargreaves and trading up in the 2nd for Whitehair or Jackson if they fall. 

I know whitehair is projected inside but that is difficult(for me) to see. I thought he was horrendous and lost at tackle.

[JoeyFlex5]

Man I'm really starting to like kyler fackrell. I'd take him with our 2nd rounder in a heartbeat, I have a feeling he's gonna surprise the analysts who are still expecting big names in the early 2nd or late first. This kid is an absolute beast, and one of the rare experienced 34 OLBs in college since everyone seems to be a DE who needs to convert. I don't think we need to chase down a bosa or trade back hoping for a Floyd or Lawson or dodd, I think fackrell could be the answer. This kid is just a stud rushing from the 2 point, great first step and bend and hand usage, great speed to power, pretty flexible hips for having so much length to him, good shoulder dip, good inside move, aggressive with his hands and wants to be the first to engage in every pass rushing snap, very smart and instinctive kid with great vision. 

 

Literally, my only complaint, is that he's got chicken legs and he comes from a smaller school and had the acl a year ago. I'd absolutely take him in the 2nd. 

 

If there are no surprises in the top 5 then I'd be ecstatic with buckner/vh3 and fackrell. He may be my new fAvorite for our 2nd round pick barring any big time fallers

[TurkishRaven]

The Dream:

1st: Tunsil 

2nd: Spence

Not realistic but again it's the dream scenario.

 

What if Tennessee trade down with a qb needy team?

Rams or Bears or 49ers,  Wentz

Browns, Goff

Chargers, Ramsey

Cowboys, Buckner

Jaguars, Jack

Ravens, Tunsil

Edited March 20, 2016 by TurkishRaven

[nishadrahman13]

Top 4 picks:

ILB Myles Jack/Bosa (whichever one makes it to us, would prefer Jack)

CB William Jackson III

DE Chris Jones

OLB Yannick Ngakoue

I think this is the draft pretty much every Raven fan is hoping for. I'd like to get some O-line help at some juncture too. Very underrated need with Wagner in his contract year. But these 4 picks would seriously revamp our defense for years to come.

 

Edited March 26, 2016 by nishadrahman13

[KBoum]

15 hours ago, nishadrahman13 said:

Top 4 picks:

ILB Myles Jack/Bosa (whichever one makes it to us, would prefer Jack)

CB William Jackson III

DE Chris Jones

OLB Yannick Ngakoue

I think this is the draft pretty much every Raven fan is hoping for. I'd like to get some O-line help at some juncture too. Very underrated need with Wagner in his contract year. But these 4 picks would seriously revamp our defense for years to come.

 

 

I LOVE this one. I would change WJ3 with Alexander since I think WJ3 is going to the Steelers they LOVE him. Im high on chris jones as well and ngakoue also. Facrkel looks nice but would be hard to get. 

[Jacquouille]

Right now, I'm wishing Buckner and Cravens, it would make our defense really special.

[allblackraven]

9 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Right now, I'm wishing Buckner and Cravens, it would make our defense really special.

I don't like either for Ravens.

Just out of curiosity - what changed your mind on Cravens, considering this:

 

[JoeyFlex5]

16 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't like either for Ravens.

Just out of curiosity - what changed your mind on Cravens, considering this:

 

I didnt like cravens until the reality set in on how barren we are at 2nd ilb. 

 

Cravens is the perfect modern day 2nd ILB for a team who has to face elite TEs regularly. he can blitz, edge rush with surprising effectiveness, man cover TEs and roam the intermediate, blow up screens, run support like a linebacker, having 2 smaller safeties like Webb and weddle makes a guy like ravens very appealing at ILB, he can worry about the TEs and Webb and weddle get to be the smart ball attacking players that they are and force turnovers instead of overcommitting to coverage out of necessity.

[DomMcRaven]

12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I didnt like cravens until the reality set in on how barren we are at 2nd ilb. 

 

Cravens is the perfect modern day 2nd ILB for a team who has to face elite TEs regularly. he can blitz, edge rush with surprising effectiveness, man cover TEs and roam the intermediate, blow up screens, run support like a linebacker, having 2 smaller safeties like Webb and weddle makes a guy like ravens very appealing at ILB, he can worry about the TEs and Webb and weddle get to be the smart ball attacking players that they are and force turnovers instead of overcommitting to coverage out of necessity.

So which raven would be the most appealing at ILB though?

[Australian Raven]

R1 - Hagreaves (Trade down a couple)

Late R1 - Spence (Trade up to late 20's)

 

[JoeyFlex5]

13 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

So which raven would be the most appealing at ILB though?

Obviously Myles Jack by far lol. I also really like brothers in the 3rd, he reminds me a bit of dqwell Jackson who was a very underrated player for a while. Deion Jones is a great athlete at the position and he could go the route of a Navarro bowman but could just as easily go the route of an Arthur brown, I haven't done a ton of digging on him but with his athleticism I would think that if he had great instincts and iq then he would be a first rounder but he doesn't seem to be highly valued so idk. 

 

Cravens isn't my top pick for 2nd rounder and I ultimately don't think we would take him but I'd certainly be ok with it if pees is determined to use him properly, a player like that could usher in a whole new defensive scheme 

 

Edit: I just caught on to what you said there... Lol autocorrect

Edited March 26, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

I don't like either for Ravens.

Just out of curiosity - what changed your mind on Cravens, considering this:

 

Yes, the "I feel the bust" part was a bit wrong, I just thought his talent wouldn't translate with Pees. That changed when Hill got fired. And when Flex listed him as a ILB, which I hadn't thought of.

To put it simply, we need a guy who can cover TE (with Hill gone), some help in the pass rush, an ILB opposite Mosley, some speed in our defense, and playmakers. And Cravens is all of that.

I think he would fit because anywhere Pees want to put him that could work. If he's a SS, Pees loves to Safety blitz, so in the box he would consistently make plays. If he's an ILB, he could cover and blitz very well, complementing CJ almost perfectly. As an OLB, he might seem very light, but can set the edge surprisingly well, and bend better than most in the draft.

[allblackraven]

12 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yes, the "I feel the bust" part was a bit wrong, I just thought his talent wouldn't translate with Pees. That changed when Hill got fired. And when Flex listed him as a ILB, which I hadn't thought of.

To put it simply, we need a guy who can cover TE (with Hill gone), some help in the pass rush, an ILB opposite Mosley, some speed in our defense, and playmakers. And Cravens is all of that.

I think he would fit because anywhere Pees want to put him that could work. If he's a SS, Pees loves to Safety blitz, so in the box he would consistently make plays. If he's an ILB, he could cover and blitz very well, complementing CJ almost perfectly. As an OLB, he might seem very light, but can set the edge surprisingly well, and bend better than most in the draft.

I don't see him surviving as an ILB in pros - his best spot might be will in 43. Perhaps we could consider him at safety but since we now have Weddle and couple young guys at that spot, I doubt we'd invest another high pick in a position this year.

[Jacquouille]

7 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't see him surviving as an ILB in pros - his best spot might be will in 43. Perhaps we could consider him at safety but since we now have Weddle and couple young guys at that spot, I doubt we'd invest another high pick in a position this year.

It maybe better to view him as a mix of everything, not trying to classify him by position. Just letting him play near the line of scrimmage, where he could cover TE, blow up screen passes, rush the passer when given some space (that's where Buckner comes in), the comparison may be easy but if used like a Tyrann Matthieu he'll have an impact.

[JoeyFlex5]

54 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't see him surviving as an ILB in pros - his best spot might be will in 43. Perhaps we could consider him at safety but since we now have Weddle and couple young guys at that spot, I doubt we'd invest another high pick in a position this year.

He's certainly not a traditional ILB, so you shouldn't ask him to be, but he could very well be the best prototype for the ILB/SS hybrid, I think bucannon would pale in comparison. Having a strong rotation on your 3 down linemen, a traffic monster in Mosley at ILB, and good zone coverage safeties, and using nickel as a near base formation would absolutely allow us to utilize cravens properly. 

 

In a 34, you expect one or both of your ilb's to be solid in coverage and hold up in run support and blitzes, cravens is excellent in coverage, good size and physicality to be the ideal guy to man cover TEs, and has the instincts to blow up screens and quickly plug open run lanes like a high caliber ILB. The key is to keep him in space and let him use his instincts and "faster than LB" movement to handle the same duties as a LB, don't have him punching guards in the mouth to eat blockers but let him play further back because he can cover more safely but also close in on runs and screens faster than your average LB.

Edited March 26, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[RaineV1]

With the way the draft rankings have moved around, I guess my new 1-2 combination would be Buckner and one of the top CBs (Apple, Alexander, or Jackson) if they're available.

[Winchester]

Bosa then trade up for Nkemdiche!! A tandem of wrecking balls ravens hasn't fronted since the vaunted millineum end of all offense defense. Ravens do a good job of finding solid players but you need those building block destroyers that make players around them better.a 285 lb dude and 300 lb dude that move like linebackers  would return the defense to formidable.And make bronco defense look like a trip to southbeach.