Possibility of Deforest Buckner & Noah Spence???

[numerounopapi]

I just want to know if this could be a reality or a dream scenario... the possibility of taking Buckner with the #6 pick or trading back a few spots & then trading back into the first to take Spence.... I love both of these prospects and at this point I think everyone in Baltimore would be MORE THAN HAPPY to have either of these outstanding players.... based off of their pro-days & combine, both these guys could significantly rise & possibly out of our reach. ALSO!!! If you had to choose, who would YOU pick... Buckner or Spence?

[outkast1]

I keep saying Noah Spence  will be a top 10 selection after the combine results.

[RaineV1]

There is a chance of Buckner reaching 6, but not a great one. The Ravens would have a clear shot of him if they would draft ahead of the Jaguars. Best shot of getting Buckner would be for someone else (possibly Spence) to do amazing in the combine and get the Jaguars to pick them. As for Spence could end up going anywhere in the first round, it just depends on if his redflags scare anyone off or not. I think the farthest he falls would be to the Saints.

[MightyRaven]

I think Buckner has a real shot at getting to us at 6 I don't see Jaguars picking him

[L.A.Ravens]

I see Buckner falling to 6. I would be happy with the pick. The d line would be nasty good.

[edthehead]

 

I did a mock and had noah going at or around 20-25, 

I have to admit . I was wrong.

he is rising, I have seen him as early as 8 and as late as 12. 

[L.A.Ravens]

Today's new bleacher report mock draft has the jaguars taking Spence at 5 and the buccaneers taking Buckner at 9

Edited February 13, 2016 by L.A.Ravens

[Mt. Crushmore]

Considering both very well could go in the top 10, not very likely.

[BmoreBird22]

36 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Considering both very well could go in the top 10, not very likely.

I don't think Spence goes in the top 10, but I'm curious as to why people think Buckner is so absurd to reach 6. Bosa, Ramsey, Tunsil, and a quarterback are near locks for the top 5. That means only one more player has to get picked for Buckner to reach the Ravens.

[Mt. Crushmore]

24 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think Spence goes in the top 10, but I'm curious as to why people think Buckner is so absurd to reach 6. Bosa, Ramsey, Tunsil, and a quarterback are near locks for the top 5. That means only one more player has to get picked for Buckner to reach the Ravens.

Spence obviously depends on his interviews. I'd love to be a fly on the wall there. Buckner should be there at 6. 

Edited February 13, 2016 by Mt. Crushmore

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think Spence goes in the top 10, but I'm curious as to why people think Buckner is so absurd to reach 6. Bosa, Ramsey, Tunsil, and a quarterback are near locks for the top 5. That means only one more player has to get picked for Buckner to reach the Ravens.

Buckner has grown on me. I always thought he was a good player and certainly a first rounder, but didn't think he would be "immediately" special enough for the Ravens to invest a #6 pick on him. However now I think he'd be a really good pick at #6. Wouldn't mind him there at all. Much like most, Ramsey and Bosa would be my top guys, but Buckner would be nice. 

 

Also agree on Spence, I don't think he goes in the top 10. 

[balfan23]

2 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

Today's new bleacher report mock draft has the jaguars taking Spence at 5 and the buccaneers taking Buckner at 9

I saw that too ... I think Spence is writing a thank you card to Von Miller for elevating the importance of edge rushers (which was highly elevated in the first place). Between that and his performance at the Senior Bowl, he looks to be flying up the boards from being an early second round pick in January to being a top 15 - or even top 10 pick in current projections. 

[RaineV1]

I could see the Jaquars taking Spence in an attempt to have their own amazing one-two combination at edge rusher (Fowler being the other one).

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I could see the Jaquars taking Spence in an attempt to have their own amazing one-two combination at edge rusher (Fowler being the other one).

Gud Bradley seems to be looking to build a variation of the 46 and I'm not sure if a speed rusher is on their shopping list, especially when they have the possibility of buckner or bosa, I think they're looking for a downhill DT/DE hybrid who can play both 3 and 4 technique effectively. I also wouldn't rule out either Ramsey or Jack for them because they both fit that style of defense absolutely perfect. However it is rumored that they prefer a pass rusher, I think bosa is a real possibility for them, if Gus Bradley really wants to continue with his unique approach to a front seven then bosa is the ideal player to play a rushing DE/DT hybrid across from Fowler.

[CalvinSmoke]

My top 5:
Tunsil
Ramsey
Spence
Treadwell
Buckner

[raven22nation]

Buckner is my guy, hope he shows out at combine. He'd look good in Black and Purple

[outkast1]

4 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

Today's new bleacher report mock draft has the jaguars taking Spence at 5 and the buccaneers taking Buckner at 9

I can't see the Browns and the Cowboys not taking a QB. That mock draft is terrible !

[gabefergy]

There might be a very minisculte chance where the Ravens trade back a couple spots and still get Buckner, and Spence slides to the back end of the first and the Ravens trade back up to get him.

Lots of things would have to go right, and the Ravens would have to be OK with Spence which I am still am very skeptical of. I think we all see what Spence can do on the football field and assume the FO will ignore his very troubled history. I believe that might be wishful thinking.

[allblackraven]

27 minutes ago, gabefergy said:

There might be a very minisculte chance where the Ravens trade back a couple spots and still get Buckner, and Spence slides to the back end of the first and the Ravens trade back up to get him.

Lots of things would have to go right, and the Ravens would have to be OK with Spence which I am still am very skeptical of. I think we all see what Spence can do on the football field and assume the FO will ignore his very troubled history. I believe that might be wishful thinking.

Will Hill had more indiscretions and suspensions and FO gave him another chance. I think if they are happy with what they hear in the interview, there won't be any reason to pass on Spence, even without trading back.

[Sizzlebshu]

27 minutes ago, gabefergy said:

There might be a very minisculte chance where the Ravens trade back a couple spots and still get Buckner, and Spence slides to the back end of the first and the Ravens trade back up to get him.

Lots of things would have to go right, and the Ravens would have to be OK with Spence which I am still am very skeptical of. I think we all see what Spence can do on the football field and assume the FO will ignore his very troubled history. I believe that might be wishful thinking.

by minuscule I assume you mean non-existent. This draft lacks blue chip talents at EDGE and Spence is probably the only for sure blue chip talent (Bosa's a great player but i don't think want to do anything with him but stick him on the line as compared to Spence who can play up or down). Given there are a number of teams in the 20's that don't care about character (Seattle), there is no way he falls within trade up range. 

I agree that the Ravens won't take him and honestly think it is probably a mistake. 

[Sizzlebshu]

Basically Spence would have to both bomb the combine (horrendously unlikely) and the combine interviews (more likely) in horrific fashion for him to have a chance at falling to 20 and undoing the Senior Bowl rise to his stock. 

[gabefergy]

5 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Will Hill had more indiscretions and suspensions and FO gave him another chance. I think if they are happy with what they hear in the interview, there won't be any reason to pass on Spence, even without trading back.

You can't compare a cheap FA signing and a first round draft pick. The level of investment is worlds apart.

[ngatainmyhouse]

I feel like in Spence's case, it is more of off the field baggage as opposed to an off the field issue. It was over a year ago, he has taken and passed every drug test while at EKU and to me, has proved he got his act together. It's not like Nkemdiche that just recently got into trouble or Gregory that failed a drug test he knew many months prior that he was going to have to take. He got in trouble and learned his lesson and has been clean for over a year now...

[gabefergy]

4 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Basically Spence would have to both bomb the combine (horrendously unlikely) and the combine interviews (more likely) in horrific fashion for him to have a chance at falling to 20 and undoing the Senior Bowl rise to his stock. 

Combined with Ravens likely hesitance to draft a player that bombed his interview...yeah, it's not going to happen.

[edthehead]

1 hour ago, outkast1 said:

I can't see the Browns and the Cowboys not taking a QB. That mock draft is terrible !

why can't you see it ? 

Hue is very aggressive and actually Cleveland has a decent team (missing some pieces) mainly QB

     but I see a RG3, bradford maybe who knows, then draft a QB in a later round

          AFCN is defensive style, hue knows it. 

Dallas, really, c'mon man

     no way they go QB at 4/5 where ever they pick, maybe if they trade back .

     cowboys again win now mode, maybe, johnny football ( rumors say no) rg3 back to texas again who knows 

I am not saying it is impossible with the browns, but it is impossible with the cowboys at 5

[JoeyFlex5]

I struggle to believe Spence bombs the interview. He is a very polite and charismatic guy, and he is very forthcoming and honest about the situation. He seems to be playing the part of a reformed young man very well. 

 

Also I'm just not sure we view his problem the same way we view other issues, guys who are locker room cancers and lazy and temperamental and egotistical seem to be our main concern, after domestic abuse of course. Spence just doesn't come off as a guy who the ravens would avoid.

[gabefergy]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I struggle to believe Spence bombs the interview. He is a very polite and charismatic guy, and he is very forthcoming and honest about the situation. He seems to be playing the part of a reformed young man very well. 

 

Also I'm just not sure we view his problem the same way we view other issues, guys who are locker room cancers and lazy and temperamental and egotistical seem to be our main concern, after domestic abuse of course. Spence just doesn't come off as a guy who the ravens would avoid.

You have to be joking right? Failing two drug tests and getting kicked out of the Big 10 doesn't sound like something the Ravens would avoid? Better players have fallen out of the top 2 rounds for lesser offenses.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, gabefergy said:

You have to be joking right? Failing two drug tests and getting kicked out of the Big 10 doesn't sound like something the Ravens would avoid? Better players have fallen out of the top 2 rounds for lesser offenses.

But this happened over a year ago and if you watch his interviews he really seems like a good character guy with a good head on his shoulders who just made some mistakes that in the end weren't all that severe. I'm not downplaying the stupidity of failing 2 drug tests but you also shouldn't overplay it as if he's failing drug tests right before the combine or as if he is some detriment to society like a Greg hardy or Justin blackmon going out driving drunk and endangering lives and beating women and overall being a horrible person. Spence appears to be world's apart from that kind of person. People reform themselves all the time, not everyone with a shaky past is the scum of the earth. I'm sure the ravens know this as well as anyone, we saw what ray Lewis transformed to, we saw Ray rice who was super squeaky clean knock his wife unconscious, our FO knows that People can change whether for good or for bad, all you can do is take the encouraging signs and run with it, and I'd say spences progress is quite encouraging

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But this happened over a year ago and if you watch his interviews he really seems like a good character guy with a good head on his shoulders who just made some mistakes that in the end weren't all that severe. I'm not downplaying the stupidity of failing 2 drug tests but you also shouldn't overplay it as if he's failing drug tests right before the combine or as if he is some detriment to society like a Greg hardy or Justin blackmon going out driving drunk and endangering lives and beating women and overall being a horrible person. Spence appears to be world's apart from that kind of person. People reform themselves all the time, not everyone with a shaky past is the scum of the earth. I'm sure the ravens know this as well as anyone, we saw what ray Lewis transformed to, we saw Ray rice who was super squeaky clean knock his wife unconscious, our FO knows that People can change whether for good or for bad, all you can do is take the encouraging signs and run with it, and I'd say spences progress is quite encouraging

He might seem like it, but we have no idea.  Teams have much greater resources than us.  What we see in press conferences, interviews, or whatever else is not necessarily indicative of who he really is.  Sure, he could be playing that card to the media and even teams, but you better believe teams are digging deep on him.  He could be this new, reformed character, but we have no idea.  There's a very good chance we would avoid a guy like him.

[Edgar]

I could  see a scenario where we get Spence at 6 and trade back into the  first round to get someone like Darian Thompson