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[Jaybirds]

16 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Just read that Oz is interested in Derick Henry per story of NFL.com

Something about wanting to use a comp pick to get him

 

How does he fall that far?  I thought he was likely to go in the 2nd. 

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

The dramatic changes that we see during this process are all changes in analysts view of the situation. What I really wonder is how much actually changes in the place where it matters ... on the team's draft boards? I think there is little doubt that there is far less change there than there is in the countless mocks that are published.

When the draft is over, if a team takes a player who wasn't highly touted by the analysts at the start of the process, but was rising up (the analysts') boards, then the team supposedly fell prey to a guys hype (in the combine, pro-days or whatever other late development). How do we know that the guy wasn't high on that teams boards from the start? The fact is, we don't. 

We fans can only go on what information we are given - whether that information is accurate or not, we just can never really know. 

I completely agree.  No one knows a teams draft board.  And who is to say who is right and wrong until the player has played a decent amount

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

If we use a compensatory pick on him then that's fine by me but I don't want to use any other pick on him. If he's there at our fourth round comp then I can't see why anyone would be against that pick 

I agree. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Jaybirds said:

How does he fall that far?  I thought he was likely to go in the 2nd. 

just relaying what I read per the article, he wont fall that far imo

[Jaybirds]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

just relaying what I read per the article, he wont fall that far imo

I'm not blaming for you.  Just usually Ozzie says things that make a little more sense than this.  The idea that we're looking for a running back in the 4th makes sense.  The idea that we like Henry makes sense.  But put the two together and I'm confused. 

[DomMcRaven]

On 2/13/2016 at 8:22 PM, January J said:

Haha no doubt. God Skip gets on my nerves with his fantasy land crap.

I know right! In his eyes, the Patriots and Cowboys are always his Super Bowl favorites. 

[-Truth-]

Just read a report by Ian Rapoport that teams believe that Jaylon Smith will be out for at least the 2016 season and that he has nerve issues in his knee and ankle. Tough blow if it's true.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, -Truth- said:

Just read a report by Ian Rapoport that teams believe that Jaylon Smith will be out for at least the 2016 season and that he has nerve issues in his knee and ankle. Tough blow if it's true.

Yeah, I also saw that. I've come to accept a few days ago that I will only believe what I see from this guy, and that anything could happen. I think this could be misdirection, or it could be legitimate. Either way, I'm letting the Draft tell me the truth. 

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

Just read a report by Ian Rapoport that teams believe that Jaylon Smith will be out for at least the 2016 season and that he has nerve issues in his knee and ankle. Tough blow if it's true.

Does anybody know what's the long term prognosis on nerve damage in joints? Is it something that can be healed or it's a deal breaker for pro athletes?

[-Truth-]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

Does anybody know what's the long term prognosis on nerve damage in joints? Is it something that can be healed or it's a deal breaker for pro athletes?

I don't have a clue to be honest. At least in this specific scenario.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

Does anybody know what's the long term prognosis on nerve damage in joints? Is it something that can be healed or it's a deal breaker for pro athletes?

Nerves regenerate but they take time. It's not like brain cells or anything. It depends on how badly damaged the nerve is, though. If he has significant damage, then likely resting the entire year significantly helps him return; however, I've never personally liked players taking a year off of football because it doesn't typically pay dividends. Granted, we're hoping that'll be the case with Perriman, but he never had nerve damage and on top of it, he actually did get to train during the offseason with the team and will get to train this offseason as well. If the reports are true, Smith has a much steeper hill to climb. 

[harfordravenfan]

17 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

Just read a report by Ian Rapoport that teams believe that Jaylon Smith will be out for at least the 2016 season and that he has nerve issues in his knee and ankle. Tough blow if it's true.

Can you imagine how devastating that must be for him... Wishing him the best of luck. Even if he rehabs and plays well, that injury cost him millions

[RaineV1]

So here's a question, fourth round and Jaylon Smith is on the board, should we take him? He definitely has more upside than you'd normally find in the mid rounds.

[Somerset Ravens]

29 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

So here's a question, fourth round and Jaylon Smith is on the board, should we take him? He definitely has more upside than you'd normally find in the mid rounds.

Absolutely, it would be like trading a 2016 4th round pick for a 2017 1st round pick.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Somerset Ravens
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[ravensdan]

9 hours ago, balfan23 said:

The dramatic changes that we see during this process are all changes in analysts view of the situation. What I really wonder is how much actually changes in the place where it matters ... on the team's draft boards? I think there is little doubt that there is far less change there than there is in the countless mocks that are published.

When the draft is over, if a team takes a player who wasn't highly touted by the analysts at the start of the process, but was rising up (the analysts') boards, then the team supposedly fell prey to a guys hype (in the combine, pro-days or whatever other late development). How do we know that the guy wasn't high on that teams boards from the start? The fact is, we don't. 

We fans can only go on what information we are given - whether that information is accurate or not, we just can never really know. 

Bingo! Combine doesn't change teams boards much. Only media boards. 

[ravensdan]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Nerves regenerate but they take time. It's not like brain cells or anything. It depends on how badly damaged the nerve is, though. If he has significant damage, then likely resting the entire year significantly helps him return; however, I've never personally liked players taking a year off of football because it doesn't typically pay dividends. Granted, we're hoping that'll be the case with Perriman, but he never had nerve damage and on top of it, he actually did get to train during the offseason with the team and will get to train this offseason as well. If the reports are true, Smith has a much steeper hill to climb. 

Similar to Sean spence injury you think?  ... You have to feel for this kid. It was sad when he went down.  

[GrimCoconut]

13 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

Similar to Sean spence injury you think?  ... You have to feel for this kid. It was sad when he went down.  

That may be a great comparison. Very similar situations although Smith is a significantly better talent. 

[JO_75]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

So here's a question, fourth round and Jaylon Smith is on the board, should we take him? He definitely has more upside than you'd normally find in the mid rounds.

I would trade back into the third round if he Jaylon was still on the board just to be on the safe side. Everybody knows he's a great player and is a force on the field. The issue then would become if he ends up like Sean Lee has for the Cowboys and is constantly injured.

[edthehead]

On 2/13/2016 at 9:53 AM, balfan23 said:

Still believe that Peyton is going to hang em up. RGIII is not a solution for anyone at starting QB. I still think the Rams are going to want to (re)start their franchise stint in LA with a young QB of the future. Question still remains as to whether they 1) view any QB in this draft as that guy and 2) are willing to pay the price to move up and get him. 

There just aren't a lot of QB options floating around at the moment. 

did he have a history of being injury prone, or is this a 1 time thing (I know it is severe).

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, edthehead said:

did he have a history of being injury prone, or is this a 1 time thing (I know it is severe).

I don't have any knowledge of RGIII having an injury history ... but the one he sustained has altered the way he can play and his biggest obstacle now seems to be what lies between his ears. I just don't know that he can bounce back. 

[RavensDieHard21]

On 2/26/2016 at 6:40 PM, RaineV1 said:

So here's a question, fourth round and Jaylon Smith is on the board, should we take him? He definitely has more upside than you'd normally find in the mid rounds.

Yes! I would almost go as far as a third maybe, but a 4th for a future investment is great, especially since we will have 3 of them.

[January J]

No way jaylon smith makes it to even the third. My guess is he will go somewhere in mid round 2 to a team that can afford to redshirt him or whatever. like somebody else said it's basically trading a 2nd round pick for a 2017 first.. he would've Been hands down a top 5 player in the draft..and you guys think he will fall to round 4 ? Not happenin..

[Ksmars12]

We need an impact player in the secondary. Someone who will force turnovers and intimidate opposing defenses like Ed Reed did. It would be a dream if Jalen falls to 6 but we should really consider moving back and taking Mackensie Alexander and receiving another mid round pick.

[JO_75]

Chargers are open to trading down from number 3.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/28/report-chargers-open-to-trading-out-of-no-3-pick/

[Jaybirds]

4 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Chargers are open to trading down from number 3.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/28/report-chargers-open-to-trading-out-of-no-3-pick/

I'm going to read too much into the timing of this announcement:  they don't want Bosa.  Maybe it's the interview, maybe it's the stiffness.  It sounds like they have a guy like Shaq Lawson as just as promising. 

[JO_75]

2 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I'm going to read too much into the timing of this announcement:  they don't want Bosa.  Maybe it's the interview, maybe it's the stiffness.  It sounds like they have a guy like Shaq Lawson as just as promising. 

I don't understand why they would want to trade down anyway. If not Bosa, take Buckner since they have Kendall Reyes becoming a Free Agent.

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, JO_75 said:

I don't understand why they would want to trade down anyway. If not Bosa, take Buckner since they have Kendall Reyes becoming a Free Agent.

I know a lot of us would be okay with Bosa or Buckner.  That doesn't seem to be San Diego's opinion.  Or maybe they just see Shaq and a few extra picks as good enough? 

Like I said, I'm reading too much into this.  I doubt I'm right.  It's just amusing that everyone is meeting with the "top 5" guys in the draft this week, and they announce they're okay taking none of them.  Not a vote of confidence. 

[allblackraven]

7 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I'm going to read too much into the timing of this announcement:  they don't want Bosa.  Maybe it's the interview, maybe it's the stiffness.  It sounds like they have a guy like Shaq Lawson as just as promising. 

Nah, I think they figured they won't get Tunsil and that Stanley can be had little later than #3. They should be pretty desparate to upgrade their O line.

[Jaybirds]

5 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Nah, I think they figured they won't get Tunsil and that Stanley can be had little later than #3. They should be pretty desparate to upgrade their O line.

That makes sense, too.  It seems like a number of linemen helped themselves this weekend.  If they think it's a deep position, may as well trade back.  I've been expecting them to take defensive help, but that's just a hunch. 

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

That makes sense, too.  It seems like a number of linemen helped themselves this weekend.  If they think it's a deep position, may as well trade back.  I've been expecting them to take defensive help, but that's just a hunch. 

They need lot of help on the defense, too but Rivers must be getting pretty pissed by now.

[ravensnick]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Nah, I think they figured they won't get Tunsil and that Stanley can be had little later than #3. They should be pretty desparate to upgrade their O line.

If I were them, I'd trade back. Even if you don't get Stanley somehow, Conklin has been looking like a top 15 pick recently.