The Rumor Mill

[Underdogsontop!]

I was just mentioning about hoping we don't take ND Stanley at 6th and it came up on Bleacher Report. I'd rather have Taylor decker which I think will go somewhere around 20th. Or Avery young Auburn or vadal Alexander LSU. There's quite a bit of talent sitting in the middle rounds. 

[Sizzlebshu]

On 2/18/2016 at 10:02 AM, GrimCoconut said:

Because you can't rely on him to stay healthy after two consecutive years of being injured. 

Dead money is a thing brah 

[Sizzlebshu]

16 hours ago, JO_75 said:

Rotoworld is reporting the Jags covet Broncos DE Malik Johnson. Since they would have the cap to compete, they very well could sign him. If so, we could have our choice between Bosa and Buckner. Then of course this could mean Jags take Hargreaves or Ramsey if they get Johnson.

Still need another EDGE. Jackson has some Michael Bennett versatility in a 4-3 and Dante Fowler is coming back from injury after losing a yr of training. Guarantee they will still take an edge if they get Jackson

[Sizzlebshu]

5 hours ago, jboy19 said:

I'm not sold on the Jags shooting for Malik Jackson. He's pretty similar to Jared Odrick and Sen'Derrick Marks, who are both in JAX for the foreseeable future. Maybe a smokescreen. 

Not even close 

[Underdogsontop!]

This was probably asked somewhere on this website.... If KO prices himself out of Baltimore, what about pick a OT or OG around 2nd and 3rd round? Have that player groomed this season and start John urchel at LG? Considering Eugene Monroe will be back healthy. I think our math wiz urchel did pretty good when called upon. 

[RaineV1]

3 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

This was probably asked somewhere on this website.... If KO prices himself out of Baltimore, what about pick a OT or OG around 2nd and 3rd round? Have that player groomed this season and start John urchel at LG? Considering Eugene Monroe will be back healthy. I think our math wiz urchel did pretty good when called upon. 

I definitely want a tackle in the 2nd round. Even without KO around, the LT position is the biggest hole in our line. Monroe is hurt way too often and Hurst is not a competent backup. As long as we have Yanda, Urschel, and Jensen, we're kinda set for guards. I wouldn't mind grabbing another interior lineman later in the draft, like Evan Boehm, but LT is a need that has to be addressed.

Edited February 25, 2016 by RaineV1

[Winchester]

5 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I definitely want a tackle in the 2nd round. Even without KO around, the LT position is the biggest hole in our line. Monroe is hurt way too often and Hurst is not a competent backup. As long as we have Yanda, Urschel, and Jensen, we're kinda set for guards. I wouldn't mind grabbing another interior lineman later in the draft, like Evan Boehm, but LT is a need that has to be addressed.

Would prefer to resign KO and keep that line intact that at times intimidated the Bengals and steelers in last 2 games. And address different positions in the draft like receiver,edge rusher,ilb DLine.  Counting on Monroe is plain laughable at this juncture. He is always injured and unmotivated and is under 300lbs. I do not see where he played above average when he did play. This Monroe thing is ridiculous. Keep KO at tackle Jensen at guard and Urschel at center. Big nasty and athletic OLine. And ravens can key on needs in draft and free agency once players are cut like arrington,Pitta,Forsett,Webb,Canty,Daryl Smith and Monroe as well as a flacco restructure.

[usmccharles]

49 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Would prefer to resign KO and keep that line intact that at times intimidated the Bengals and steelers in last 2 games. And address different positions in the draft like receiver,edge rusher,ilb DLine.  Counting on Monroe is plain laughable at this juncture. He is always injured and unmotivated and is under 300lbs. I do not see where he played above average when he did play. This Monroe thing is ridiculous. Keep KO at tackle Jensen at guard and Urschel at center. Big nasty and athletic OLine. And ravens can key on needs in draft and free agency once players are cut like arrington,Pitta,Forsett,Webb,Canty,Daryl Smith and Monroe as well as a flacco restructure.

I agree we need to keep our Oline intact and we need to retain KO, we need a line that plays together for more than a season.  I just don't know if its worth cutting Monroe at this point to save the 2mill, I don't know what the difference is between doing it this year or next year though. 

I don't think we should cut all the players you suggest though.  Arrington needs to play the slot where he belongs, you can never have enough corners, cant remember how much he costs us.  Pitta, should be gone.  I want Forsett to stay, im not a fan of any of our RBs and I think his veteran leadership is worth the 2mill.  Canty can go.  Webb moving to FS I think is huge, I think he can help take command and put people where they need to be.  As for Smith, as you know I hope we draft Myles Jack and I wouldn't mind cutting Smith then, although his veteran leadership could help as well. 

 

[jboy19]

Looks like Hue Jackson's comments about needing a QB with large hands may stop them from taking Goff and his tiny hands with the second pick. Looks like it's either going to be Wentz, Lynch or a non-QB at 2. This is a bummer because the Browns are a wild-card and could snag pretty much any of the top prospects (Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack, Buckner). It's hard to tell what they could be doing with their new FO. I think they would try to trade down, but I don't think anybody is looking to go up in this draft for anyone this year. 

[Jaybirds]

Recent headlines say the Eagles are negotiating with Bradford, and a lot of teams are expecting him to stay there.  San Francisco has said they're keeping Kaepernick and Gabbertt.  Washington is not keeping Griffin, so he'll be on the market (no idea where he would be a starter though). 

None of those is big by themselves, but it's starting to look like the Draft QB market is drying up. 

[DWDuer]

As much as free agency and the draft dominate discussions, regardless of who we lose or who we retain during free agency, I'm wondering who gets cut? The Ravens have several players that appear to not be NFL caliber players. At some point, they will be let go. Does anyone care to speculate who gets their walking papers? One guy that I thought had a future was Marlon Brown, now I think he's done. I'd like to read other opinions!

[Jaybirds]

10 minutes ago, DWDuer said:

As much as free agency and the draft dominate discussions, regardless of who we lose or who we retain during free agency, I'm wondering who gets cut? The Ravens have several players that appear to not be NFL caliber players. At some point, they will be let go. Does anyone care to speculate who gets their walking papers? One guy that I thought had a future was Marlon Brown, now I think he's done. I'd like to read other opinions!

Here's my favorite link for these discussions. 
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/baltimore-ravens

Personally I'm looking for guys with more cap space than dead money, and make me go "really?  that guy?!". 
This year that's Chris Canty before June 1 and both Pitta and Daryl Smith after June 1.  "Honorable" mention to Kyle Arrington.

 

Edited February 25, 2016 by Jaybirds

[January J]

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

 I agrIiebbeobviobelpowouldebbp ousophomoreie nstact a nd  we  n eed to retain  KO, we need a line that plays together for more than a season.  I just don't know if its worth cutting Monroe at this point to save the 2mill, I don't know what the difference is between doing it this year or next year though. 

I don't think we should cut all the players you suggest though.  Arrington needs to play the slot where he belongs, you can never have enough corners, cant remember how much he costs us.  Pitta, should be gone.  I want Forsett to stay, im not a fan of any of our RBs and I think his veteran leadership is worth the 2mill.  Canty can go.  Webb moving to FS I think is huge, I think he can help take command and put people where they need to be.  As for Smith, as you know I hope we draft Myles Jack and I wouldn't mind cutting Smith then, although his veteran leadership could help as well. 

 

I wouldnt Be so quick to write off pitta.  Obviously boyle Will be suspended the Majority of the season and crock Is currently gettin back surgery. Hopefully maxx makes that sophmore Jump but hes still extremely young, we may need Dennis after all. His veteran experience will Be pretty valuable. Definitely needs to Be restructured though and make the deal heavily incentive Based so our hands wont Be tied if he goes down again. A blocking tight end Would be nice though- boyle Really screwed us- major dissapointment.

[ellicottraven]

Guys, the agents for Kaepernik just requested permission from the Niners for a trade! That can only mean one thing for us - good stuff! If Kaepernik is traded there is no way the Niners don't pick a QB at #7 which means any team that really wants a top shelf QB - Wentz or Goff (one that Cleveland doesn't select) is the Niners target! Which means we will be in a great position to trade back with the Rams or any other team seeking a QB. Better yet, we may in fact be able to trade back with the Niners to go back 1 spot and get their second as well! The possibilities at that time become endless for us to trade back into the first and get 2 impact players!

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[Jaybirds]

Walter Football is quickly becoming my new caffeine.  If I wasn't awake before, I am now. 

*  They're saying the Ravens have signed Trent Richardson, though they don't know the details so maybe it's just pre-emptive of them.  I.... I'm just not handling this well. 

*   They're also saying the Chargers and Cowboys are both taking interest in Robert Nkemdiche.    I'm not sure how to read this, but it could make things interesting.  If just one of those teams see him as a Top 5 guy, then someone is definitely falling to us at 6.  If they're suspecting he falls to the 2nd round, well that's interesting too.  The only other way he falls to them (well, more like they fall to him) is if both are considering trading back?

Edited February 26, 2016 by Jaybirds

[harfordravenfan]

7 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Walter Football is quickly becoming my new caffeine.  If I wasn't awake before, I am now. 

*  They're saying the Ravens have signed Trent Richardson, though they don't know the details so maybe it's just pre-emptive of them.  I.... I'm just not handling this well. 

*   They're also saying the Chargers and Cowboys are both taking interest in Robert Nkemdiche.    I'm not sure how to read this, but it could make things interesting.  If just one of those teams see him as a Top 5 guy, then someone is definitely falling to us at 6.  If they're suspecting he falls to the 2nd round, well that's interesting too.  The only other way he falls to them (well, more like they fall to him) is if both are considering trading back?

Good stuff (at least the second paragraph)

[Jaybirds]

More details about Nkemdiche:  it looks like scouts are expecting him to have a great combine.  Expectations are 35+ inches vertical jump, and a 40 under 4.7 seconds, says Walter.  So it's a question of his stock rising instead of Dallas/San Diego dropping.  San Diego still surprises me:  Bosa and Buckner should both be on the board for them.  I wonder who they're bumping down. 

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

More details about Nkemdiche:  it looks like scouts are expecting him to have a great combine.  Expectations are 35+ inches vertical jump, and a 40 under 4.7 seconds, says Walter.  So it's a question of his stock rising instead of Dallas/San Diego dropping.  San Diego still surprises me:  Bosa and Buckner should both be on the board for them.  I wonder who they're bumping down. 

I don't think his results or his measurements are going to really surprise anyone, its off the field stuff that has everyone scratching their head on where he will go. 

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

I don't think his results or his measurements are going to really surprise anyone, its off the field stuff that has everyone scratching their head on where he will go. 

But clearly something has changed.  He simply shouldn't be on the radar for those two teams.  He's supposed to be too much of a reach at the first, and gone by the second.  Unless both teams got approached by the same team for a trade-up (which means we're getting skipped over in the QB rush).  But that doesn't seem plausible. 

Why would San Diego and Dallas even look at him unless someone is moving?  It's more likely him than both of them. 

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

But clearly something has changed.  He simply shouldn't be on the radar for those two teams.  He's supposed to be too much of a reach at the first, and gone by the second.  Unless both teams got approached by the same team for a trade-up (which means we're getting skipped over in the QB rush).  But that doesn't seem plausible. 

Why would San Diego and Dallas even look at him unless someone is moving?  It's more likely him than both of them. 

Well imo, through this draft process until the draft, we will see so many different changes.  Bosa was talked about as the 1 or 2, now he falls to us in some mocks.  Buckner has climbed up to the top 3.  HG3 is all over the place.  Treadwell is all over the place.  Nkem was a top guy until more stuff came out then people started suggesting hes going to fall, (I think Rex takes him)

My point is, none of this really matters until the draft is over.  The combine is just starting and we have seen so many changes.  After the combine we will see more.  Then the Pro days, then more changes.  There is no clear cut #1 guy this year and with the numbers Nkem will put up in the combine, I bet someone will make the argument to be a top 3 pick, even with off the field issues.  And it is all just....Rumors.  good trade bait for a team that is hoping to get him as well

[Jaybirds]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Well imo, through this draft process until the draft, we will see so many different changes.  Bosa was talked about as the 1 or 2, now he falls to us in some mocks.  Buckner has climbed up to the top 3.  HG3 is all over the place.  Treadwell is all over the place.  Nkem was a top guy until more stuff came out then people started suggesting hes going to fall, (I think Rex takes him)

My point is, none of this really matters until the draft is over.  The combine is just starting and we have seen so many changes.  After the combine we will see more.  Then the Pro days, then more changes.  There is no clear cut #1 guy this year and with the numbers Nkem will put up in the combine, I bet someone will make the argument to be a top 3 pick, even with off the field issues.  And it is all just....Rumors.  good trade bait for a team that is hoping to get him as well

Since this is the rumor thread, I'm comfortable with analyzing rumors.  And one rumor that involves two teams in front of us seems worth mentioning. 

I think you make a great point with Bosa falling.  I was assuming a team had approached them about a QB.  Someone moving up to try to take Bosa makes sense in those spots though:  someone has to get in front of us and Jacksonville.  Could be true for Ramsey as well, but it seems like Alexander and maybe VH3 would be there for any team that has a shot at Nkemdiche. 

A lot of people on the boards have suggested we go after Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, or Buckner with the #6 pick.  Others add Jack to that list as well.  Now if Nkemdiche is a possibility for 2 different spots ahead of us, we're that much closer to critical mass at #6. 

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Since this is the rumor thread, I'm comfortable with analyzing rumors.  And one rumor that involves two teams in front of us seems worth mentioning. 

I think you make a great point with Bosa falling.  I was assuming a team had approached them about a QB.  Someone moving up to try to take Bosa makes sense in those spots though:  someone has to get in front of us and Jacksonville.  Could be true for Ramsey as well, but it seems like Alexander and maybe VH3 would be there for any team that has a shot at Nkemdiche. 

A lot of people on the boards have suggested we go after Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, or Buckner with the #6 pick.  Others add Jack to that list as well.  Now if Nkemdiche is a possibility for 2 different spots ahead of us, we're that much closer to critical mass at #6. 

Yea I agree with you, just analyzing rumors as well. 

I would love for Nkem, VH3, Alexander to go ahead of us.  Im a huge advocate for Myles Jack, I did the first mock here with us taking him, caught some crap for it but it has caught on as it seems.  I would love to grab Tunsil but I think it makes too much sense for the Titans to take him.   I think we will come away with someone that everyone will be happy with. 

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, Jaybirds said:

Walter Football is quickly becoming my new caffeine.  If I wasn't awake before, I am now. 

*  They're saying the Ravens have signed Trent Richardson, though they don't know the details so maybe it's just pre-emptive of them.  I.... I'm just not handling this well. 

*   They're also saying the Chargers and Cowboys are both taking interest in Robert Nkemdiche.    I'm not sure how to read this, but it could make things interesting.  If just one of those teams see him as a Top 5 guy, then someone is definitely falling to us at 6.  If they're suspecting he falls to the 2nd round, well that's interesting too.  The only other way he falls to them (well, more like they fall to him) is if both are considering trading back?

I don't have an issue with the signing of Trent Richardson on a team friendly deal. 

[Jaybirds]

6 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I don't have an issue with the signing of Trent Richardson on a team friendly deal. 

For me it depends on whose spot he takes. Forsett?  I have a problem with that.  Taliaferro or West, not so much.  I know our line is better than many he's run behind, so I have some optimism for his yards per cary. 

But there's a trend forming here that I don't like:  first West, and now Richardson.  Both fairly young still, but high risk.  We're not acting like we have depth at the position, or even a long term plan. 

[usmccharles]

Just read that Oz is interested in Derick Henry per story of NFL.com

Something about wanting to use a comp pick to get him

 

Edited February 26, 2016 by usmccharles

[Inqui]

12 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

For me it depends on whose spot he takes. Forsett?  I have a problem with that.  Taliaferro or West, not so much.  I know our line is better than many he's run behind, so I have some optimism for his yards per cary. 

But there's a trend forming here that I don't like:  first West, and now Richardson.  Both fairly young still, but high risk.  We're not acting like we have depth at the position, or even a long term plan. 

There's a thread for this, but at this stage he's nothing more than a camp body who fills out the 90-man preseason roster and doesn't even count against the cap because of the rule of 51. If he takes someone's spot on the 53-man roster, it's because he managed to outplay them in the preseason and earn the spot. And if he fails, then he doesn't make the squad and we don't lose more than what we'd have lost had some UDFA come in and not made the team. Not expecting much is fine, but it's not like he's our big high-stakes move in free agency or anything.

[Mad Puppy]

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Just read that Oz is interested in Derick Henry per story of NFL.com

Something about wanting to use a comp pick to get him

 

Actually that sounds quite good.

A RB that fits the Eddie George mold on this team who wants to be a smash mouth run team?

sign me up

[GrimCoconut]

26 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

For me it depends on whose spot he takes. Forsett?  I have a problem with that.  Taliaferro or West, not so much.  I know our line is better than many he's run behind, so I have some optimism for his yards per cary. 

But there's a trend forming here that I don't like:  first West, and now Richardson.  Both fairly young still, but high risk.  We're not acting like we have depth at the position, or even a long term plan. 

Here's the issue: Richardson isn't taking anyone's spot--he's competing for a chance to make the roster. We're not cutting Forsett, West, Taliaferro, or Allen because we just signed Richardson--at least not yet. 

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Well imo, through this draft process until the draft, we will see so many different changes.  Bosa was talked about as the 1 or 2, now he falls to us in some mocks.  Buckner has climbed up to the top 3.  HG3 is all over the place.  Treadwell is all over the place.  Nkem was a top guy until more stuff came out then people started suggesting hes going to fall, (I think Rex takes him)

My point is, none of this really matters until the draft is over.  The combine is just starting and we have seen so many changes.  After the combine we will see more.  Then the Pro days, then more changes.  There is no clear cut #1 guy this year and with the numbers Nkem will put up in the combine, I bet someone will make the argument to be a top 3 pick, even with off the field issues.  And it is all just....Rumors.  good trade bait for a team that is hoping to get him as well

The dramatic changes that we see during this process are all changes in analysts view of the situation. What I really wonder is how much actually changes in the place where it matters ... on the team's draft boards? I think there is little doubt that there is far less change there than there is in the countless mocks that are published.

When the draft is over, if a team takes a player who wasn't highly touted by the analysts at the start of the process, but was rising up (the analysts') boards, then the team supposedly fell prey to a guys hype (in the combine, pro-days or whatever other late development). How do we know that the guy wasn't high on that teams boards from the start? The fact is, we don't. 

We fans can only go on what information we are given - whether that information is accurate or not, we just can never really know. 

[GrimCoconut]

11 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Just read that Oz is interested in Derick Henry per story of NFL.com

Something about wanting to use a comp pick to get him

 

If we use a compensatory pick on him then that's fine by me but I don't want to use any other pick on him. If he's there at our fourth round comp then I can't see why anyone would be against that pick