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[RavensFan34950]

Think he could make it to us in the second? The man is a beast

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Think he could make it to us in the second? The man is a beast

If you want a 2nd round edge rusher, look away from the big schools. Kyler fackrell from Utah state looks much more impressive than calhoun imo. If you take a look at his tape I'm sure you'll agree lol

[Darhk_Raven]

Has anyone heard anything about guys we are bringing in for a workout besides Ragland and Hargreaves?

[allblackraven]

8 minutes ago, Darhk_Raven said:

Has anyone heard anything about guys we are bringing in for a workout besides Ragland and Hargreaves?

According to: http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam

Only Ragland showing so far

•  

Baltimore Ravens

No. 1 Team Need
Two Cornerbacks
See the other needs ...

• Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (COM)
• Joey Bosa, DE/3-4OLB, Ohio State (COM)
• James Bradberry, CB, Samford (SR)
• Sean Davis, FS/CB, Maryland (COM)
• Kenyan Drake, RB, Alabama (SR)
• Tyrone Holmes, DE, Montana (EW)
• Jay Lee, WR, Baylor (SR)
• Tyler Matakevich, ILB/OLB, Temple (SR)
• David Onyemata, DT, Manitoba (EW)
• Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama (PRI)
• Jalen Ramsey, CB/S, Florida State (COM)
• Noah Spence, OLB/DE/3-4OLB, Eastern Kentucky (COM)
• Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (COM)
• Charles Tapper, DE/3-4DE, Oklahoma (COM)
• Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss (COM)
• Cody Whitehair, G, Kansas State (SR)

Edited March 20, 2016 by allblackraven

[mc_red23]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

According to: http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam

•  

Baltimore Ravens

No. 1 Team Need
Two Cornerbacks
See the other needs ...

• Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (COM)
• Joey Bosa, DE/3-4OLB, Ohio State (COM)
• James Bradberry, CB, Samford (SR)
• Sean Davis, FS/CB, Maryland (COM)
• Kenyan Drake, RB, Alabama (SR)
• Tyrone Holmes, DE, Montana (EW)
• Jay Lee, WR, Baylor (SR)
• Tyler Matakevich, ILB/OLB, Temple (SR)
• David Onyemata, DT, Manitoba (EW)
• Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama (PRI)
• Jalen Ramsey, CB/S, Florida State (COM)
• Noah Spence, OLB/DE/3-4OLB, Eastern Kentucky (COM)
• Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (COM)
• Charles Tapper, DE/3-4DE, Oklahoma (COM)
• Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss (COM)
• Cody Whitehair, G, Kansas State (SR)

Good to see the two Bama lads on there. Drake could really offer something to an NFL team whether it be as RB or as a returner. 

[Darhk_Raven]

6 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

According to: http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam

•  

Baltimore Ravens

No. 1 Team Need
Two Cornerbacks
See the other needs ...

• Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (COM)
• Joey Bosa, DE/3-4OLB, Ohio State (COM)
• James Bradberry, CB, Samford (SR)
• Sean Davis, FS/CB, Maryland (COM)
• Kenyan Drake, RB, Alabama (SR)
• Tyrone Holmes, DE, Montana (EW)
• Jay Lee, WR, Baylor (SR)
• Tyler Matakevich, ILB/OLB, Temple (SR)
• David Onyemata, DT, Manitoba (EW)
• Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama (PRI)
• Jalen Ramsey, CB/S, Florida State (COM)
• Noah Spence, OLB/DE/3-4OLB, Eastern Kentucky (COM)
• Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (COM)
• Charles Tapper, DE/3-4DE, Oklahoma (COM)
• Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss (COM)
• Cody Whitehair, G, Kansas State (SR)

Thanks for this. 

[TurkishRaven]

7 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

According to: http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam

•  

Baltimore Ravens

No. 1 Team Need
Two Cornerbacks
See the other needs ...

• Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (COM)
• Joey Bosa, DE/3-4OLB, Ohio State (COM)
• James Bradberry, CB, Samford (SR)
• Sean Davis, FS/CB, Maryland (COM)
• Kenyan Drake, RB, Alabama (SR)
• Tyrone Holmes, DE, Montana (EW)
• Jay Lee, WR, Baylor (SR)
• Tyler Matakevich, ILB/OLB, Temple (SR)
• David Onyemata, DT, Manitoba (EW)
• Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama (PRI)
• Jalen Ramsey, CB/S, Florida State (COM)
• Noah Spence, OLB/DE/3-4OLB, Eastern Kentucky (COM)
• Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (COM)
• Charles Tapper, DE/3-4DE, Oklahoma (COM)
• Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss (COM)
• Cody Whitehair, G, Kansas State (SR)

 

No Hargreaves?

[RaineV1]

I'm happy to see the Ravens take a look at Jay Lee. He could be pretty good in the NFL.

[ALPHA]

Ragland is exactly the kind of Ozzie type swerve I can feel coming, his board never matches the fans boards.

[DomMcRaven]

21 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Ragland is exactly the kind of Ozzie type swerve I can feel coming, his board never matches the fans boards.

And this is why the draft is so unpredicable. I love it. Plus, the best part is reading the live reactions when the draft is going on. 

[RavensDieHard21]

There is 0% chance Ozzie takes Ragland at 6. I like him, but he isn't the super athletic coverage linebacker we need to pair with CJ. Plus his draft value as of now is mid first to later in the first round

[JoeyFlex5]

Ragland is at best a trade back target and imo still a dumb pick. Let's add another slow thumper so we can still struggle more in coverage but go from top 5 to top 3 against the run or whatever our ranking was... 

 

I would rather take my chances with orr or pursue deion Jones or kentrell brothers in the 3rd

[Maryland]

Ragland would be an upgrade from Upshaw since he can stuff the run almost as well while providing some support in coverage situations. I'd consider him with our 2nd pick, although it sounds like he'll be gone by then anyway, which I guess isn't such a bad thing.

[Jaybirds]

I'm glad to see Matakevich and Tapper are still on our radar.  They won't set the world on fire, but I think they both have a place on this team.  Both could be good value after the 3rd round. 

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I'm glad to see Matakevich and Tapper are still on our radar.  They won't set the world on fire, but I think they both have a place on this team.  Both could be good value after the 3rd round. 

I like tapper. He reminds me a bit of mcphee, he may not have a good fit as it stands right now but with a little work he could be a great pocket pushing DE for us or he could be an OLB Who at worst has a great first step and straight line speed and a ferocious bullrush. 

 

He's very raw and lacks agility but he also could stand some work with NFL weight trainers, he has the tools to at least be a high motor rotational player.

Edited March 21, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[Jaybirds]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I like tapper. He reminds me a bit of mcphee, he may not have a good fit as it stands right now but with a little work he could be a great pocket pushing DE for us or he could be an OLB Who at worst has a great first step and straight line speed and a ferocious bullrush. 

 

He's very raw and lacks agility but he also could stand some work with NFL weight trainers, he has the tools to at least be a high motor rotational player.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  We have that McPhee/Upshaw role player position to fill.  There's definitely better guys in the early round.  But if he's there in the fourth or fifth I think he'd work for us.  Nothing glamorous, just a good guy to have around. 

Edited March 21, 2016 by Jaybirds

[RaineV1]

I think Ragland is a solid player, but he's a less athletic version of Mosley. I don't really want to use a first round pick on him. Let a team that needs someone like that pick him up.

[Jaybirds]

Honest question:  does the switch from Will Hill to (presumably) Ladarius Webb change what we need from the inside linebackers?  Hill seemed more like a tackler, and Webb a coverage guy.  So, purely speculation, I'm wondering if we want another tackler at linebacker to replace Hill's physicality?   I could see that being a reason to look for another Mosley. 

The scouting reports I'm finding on Ragland all agree that he's slow.  But a lot agree that he's strong against the run, can blitz from the edge (though this might not be the case in the NFL), and has zone coverage skills (but definitely not man to man).   I think there's probably other guys better at any one of those jobs.  But with Jack likely gone by our pick, I see why we might have a high grade on him.  He is instant coffee. 

 

[trevorsteadman]

3 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Honest question:  does the switch from Will Hill to (presumably) Ladarius Webb change what we need from the inside linebackers?  Hill seemed more like a tackler, and Webb a coverage guy.  So, purely speculation, I'm wondering if we want another tackler at linebacker to replace Hill's physicality?   I could see that being a reason to look for another Mosley. 

The scouting reports I'm finding on Ragland all agree that he's slow.  But a lot agree that he's strong against the run, can blitz from the edge (though this might not be the case in the NFL), and has zone coverage skills (but definitely not man to man).   I think there's probably other guys better at any one of those jobs.  But with Jack likely gone by our pick, I see why we might have a high grade on him.  He is instant coffee. 

 

Honestly I think Zach Orr may be our starting inside linebacker next season. He has consistently been better every season. He did really well in limited time. I still would like us adding another inside linebacker but we may not add one until the cap casualties later in the year. I don't think it changes what we do. I honestly think that even if Hill was still here he would be starting behind Webb because he was the one that was getting taken off the field when Webb was taking snaps at safety. If you are looking at a tackler Kendrick Lewis is your guy leading the Texans in tackles before coming here. I still think he is underrated by fans. Eric Weddle is an all round great safety who can tackle and is great in coverage. I am really excited to see what the three can do together. If we got Hargreaves in the draft who I think may be the dark horse of the draft our secondary would be fierce. Even though I think our pass rush with someone like Bosa would be better for our defense all around. 

[Jaybirds]

5 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Honestly I think Zach Orr may be our starting inside linebacker next season. He has consistently been better every season. He did really well in limited time. I still would like us adding another inside linebacker but we may not add one until the cap casualties later in the year. I don't think it changes what we do. I honestly think that even if Hill was still here he would be starting behind Webb because he was the one that was getting taken off the field when Webb was taking snaps at safety. If you are looking at a tackler Kendrick Lewis is your guy leading the Texans in tackles before coming here. I still think he is underrated by fans. Eric Weddle is an all round great safety who can tackle and is great in coverage. I am really excited to see what the three can do together. If we got Hargreaves in the draft who I think may be the dark horse of the draft our secondary would be fierce. Even though I think our pass rush with someone like Bosa would be better for our defense all around. 

Okay, thanks. That cleared up my questions.    It just seems like we do have Ragland higher than most people.  I'm trying to figure out why. 

The only reason I can think of to skip Hargreaves is if we're sure a CB will fall to us in the 2nd.   A lot of mocks have Alexander falling that far.  Bosa/Alexander sounds great to me.  But if there's any chance that might not happen, then I'm hoping for Hargreaves. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I think Ragland is a solid player, but he's a less athletic version of Mosley. I don't really want to use a first round pick on him. Let a team that needs someone like that pick him up.

Exactly how I see it. I don't see any scenario where we improve our team by adding him. Sure we're a little tougher and a little smarter but we are already a team that you can't run the ball on but we get passed on with ease, there's very little room for improvement in the area that Ragland excels at and he offers very little elsewhere.

[JoeyFlex5]

54 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Honest question:  does the switch from Will Hill to (presumably) Ladarius Webb change what we need from the inside linebackers?  Hill seemed more like a tackler, and Webb a coverage guy.  So, purely speculation, I'm wondering if we want another tackler at linebacker to replace Hill's physicality?   I could see that being a reason to look for another Mosley. 

The scouting reports I'm finding on Ragland all agree that he's slow.  But a lot agree that he's strong against the run, can blitz from the edge (though this might not be the case in the NFL), and has zone coverage skills (but definitely not man to man).   I think there's probably other guys better at any one of those jobs.  But with Jack likely gone by our pick, I see why we might have a high grade on him.  He is instant coffee. 

 

Kentrell brothers is a very similar player and he could probably be had in the 3rd, his instincts in coverage are on par with Mosley against the run. If we are looking to fill that bill then I go with brothers in the 3rd all day.

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Kentrell brothers is a very similar player and he could probably be had in the 3rd, his instincts in coverage are on par with Mosley against the run. If we are looking to fill that bill then I go with brothers in the 3rd all day.

I hate building a draft off of just one guy like that.  And I don't see a lot of similar guys to him around his ranking.  But yeah, I'd love Brothers in the 3rd or the 4th.  

[Ravens4Real]

Looks like the Browns will be going after/signing RG3. I think this takes them out of the running for taking a QB at 2.

I felt this was the most likely scenario to begin with. Neither QB is worthy of a pick that high. Too much talent at the top of the draft. Will probably be a better move in the long run.

[Jaybirds]

2 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Looks like the Browns will be going after/signing RG3. I think this takes them out of the running for taking a QB at 2.

I felt this was the most likely scenario to begin with. Neither QB is worthy of a pick that high. Too much talent at the top of the draft. Will probably be a better move in the long run.

Hargreaves will still probably be there for us at 6.  But so will Wentz, and right in front of SF.  This seems like the most value we'd get in a trade back. 
(though I still think Dallas could take Elliott and we end up with a top 5 guy.)

[trevorsteadman]

45 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Okay, thanks. That cleared up my questions.    It just seems like we do have Ragland higher than most people.  I'm trying to figure out why. 

The only reason I can think of to skip Hargreaves is if we're sure a CB will fall to us in the 2nd.   A lot of mocks have Alexander falling that far.  Bosa/Alexander sounds great to me.  But if there's any chance that might not happen, then I'm hoping for Hargreaves. 

Ragland has a limited ceiling. I think the Ravens may have him rated high because #1 he is an Alabama player who played in a NFL type defense. #2 Ozzie Newsome has a crush on Alabama players. #3 this may be a smokescreen because people know he loves Alabama players. There is no way with the #6 pick they take Ragland. With a 2nd round pick maybe Ragland is the safest pick. With mid round picks plug and play players are very helpful because they catch on easy and they have a faster impact in a win now mindset. But with the 1st round pick my top 6 are Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack, Bosa, Buckner, and Hargreaves. We will get one of these guys and with the rest of the draft not having too many sparks in the mid rounds I think we stay put. All 6 of those guys are impact players and after that it gets scary and a lot of question marks around a lot of the players. Alexander, Spence, and Ragland are 3 players I could see falling to the 2nd round and I bet 2 of those 3 fall to the 2nd round come draft time unless some bizarre incident bumped them up or down. 

[trevorsteadman]

6 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Looks like the Browns will be going after/signing RG3. I think this takes them out of the running for taking a QB at 2.

I felt this was the most likely scenario to begin with. Neither QB is worthy of a pick that high. Too much talent at the top of the draft. Will probably be a better move in the long run.

If the Browns are putting all their chips on RG3 they will be at the bottom of the NFL for another 10 years at least. RG3 will be competing for a starting job I wouldn't be suprised if they still draft a quarterback to compete with each other. 

 

5 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Hargreaves will still probably be there for us at 6.  But so will Wentz, and right in front of SF.  This seems like the most value we'd get in a trade back. 
(though I still think Dallas could take Elliott and we end up with a top 5 guy.)

Ditto I would still be happy with Hargreaves who I think has the potential to be a safety and a cornerback. I am not afraid of his size with what tape he has shown. He is physical for his size. I also wouldn't be surprised if they take a quarterback at #4. They said they would take Johnny Manziel a couple years ago and passed on him. Maybe them saying they won't go quarterback is a smokescreen so another team doesn't leap frog in front of them. I also feel this way about the Eagles. They paid high for Bradford so he wouldn't leave but I could see them taking a quarterback as well because I still feel they have uncertainty around that position.

[JoeyFlex5]

21 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I hate building a draft off of just one guy like that.  And I don't see a lot of similar guys to him around his ranking.  But yeah, I'd love Brothers in the 3rd or the 4th.  

That's not building your draft off of a 3rd round player though. All you can do is set up your board and take your guy when your pick is up, we need an ILB but it's not like it will cripple the team if we don't address it. In a 34 ILBs are an easily masked deficiency, especially when only one is weak. I'm saying that ragland isn't worth it anywhere in the first for us because he doesn't fit anywhere on this team in a place where he brings a big upgrade

[RaineV1]

At this point it wouldn't shock me too much if the Browns pick up RG3, and then use their second round pick on a QB (Lynch, Cook, or whoever). Though this would obviously be a bad thing for the Ravens since they can prevent one of the top people from falling to us (Ramsey, Buckner, Jack, or Bosa).

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

At this point it wouldn't shock me too much if the Browns pick up RG3, and then use their second round pick on a QB (Lynch, Cook, or whoever). Though this would obviously be a bad thing for the Ravens since they can prevent one of the top people from falling to us (Ramsey, Buckner, Jack, or Bosa).

I wouldn't mind. I kinda prefer vh3 to buckner and if buck goes before our pick then I think we take vh3 OR surprise folks and take lawson, I'd prefer either to buckner personally, but by a slim margin.