The Rumor Mill

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I don't think Elliot was ever in our crosshairs at 6

I think the Ravens realize they need a better and more consistent running game and he might just be the best offensive playmaker in the draft.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Jaybirds said:

There's been some talk about it on the forums here, so I thought people might be interested.  Before we signed Wallace, he was probably the biggest playmaker on offense available. 

I don't think signing Wallace changes who we take at 6. 

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the Ravens realize they need a better and more consistent running game and he might just be the best offensive playmaker in the draft.

While I agree completely about getting a playmaker at RB, I miss the Rice days, I just cant see it at 6.  If we traded back maybe...but I doubt he makes it out of the top 10.   I think we really need to address the defense side of the ball with that first pick.  I wont like though, if it happened, I wouldn't be mad....

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

I don't think signing Wallace changes who we take at 6. 

While I agree completely about getting a playmaker at RB, I miss the Rice days, I just cant see it at 6.  If we traded back maybe...but I doubt he makes it out of the top 10.   I think we really need to address the defense side of the ball with that first pick.  I wont like though, if it happened, I wouldn't be mad....

I think they go defense first, but I'm just saying I could see it.

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

I don't think signing Wallace changes who we take at 6. 

Ravens said they wanted a playmaker.  Folks on here decided we need playmakers on offense and defense.  the #6 pick would have been a place to address that.  We got Wallace, a playmaker on offense, so maybe we addressed that need. 

So yes, for the people who were speculating about Elliott with the #6 pick, there is now less of a need for a playmaker, and a possible connection to recreational drug use.   If that doesn't interest you, that's okay.  If you don't understand what I'm saying, I'm not sure I can put it plainer. 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think they go defense first, but I'm just saying I could see it.

It would definitely be a shock. 

 

19 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Ravens said they wanted a playmaker.  Folks on here decided we need playmakers on offense and defense.  the #6 pick would have been a place to address that.  We got Wallace, a playmaker on offense, so maybe we addressed that need. 

So yes, for the people who were speculating about Elliott with the #6 pick, there is now less of a need for a playmaker, and a possible connection to recreational drug use.   If that doesn't interest you, that's okay.  If you don't understand what I'm saying, I'm not sure I can put it plainer. 

I understand.  Was just disagreeing that we would take him that early.  Imagine if we did though, our offense would be insanely different

[Darhk_Raven]

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/03/17/ravens-links/party-drug-concerns-bosa-upshaw-jets/#respond

 

Do you guys think we would still take Bosa if this is true? 

[KBoum]

Hmmm interesting.... I don't see why he wouldnt want to test even if aderral you want to show them its just this...

 

[Darhk_Raven]

13 minutes ago, KBoum said:

Hmmm interesting.... I don't see why he wouldnt want to test even if aderral you want to show them its just this...

 

Yeah and with what just happened with Will Hill I'm not sure the team gives anyone with drug issues a chance anytime soon. 

[jboy19]

I feel like if Bosa was using party drugs it would be really easy to figure out. These teams go deep into players' pasts with investigators and stuff. It'll be interesting to see what happens with him. 

[RaineV1]

Yeah, I can see the Ravens passing on Bosa if they want to avoid anyone with a drug history. And Bosa would be great trade bait.

[KBoum]

1 minute ago, jboy19 said:

I feel like if Bosa was using party drugs it would be really easy to figure out. These teams go deep into players' pasts with investigators and stuff. It'll be interesting to see what happens with him. 

 

Yeah I remember I think it was Mayock at the draft said two employees of the Buccs just went to a Florida bar night after night trying to see if Jameis was a client. They also asked to the bartenders of the area if they saw him pretty often and how was he ? intoxicated or not ? driving or not ? and things like that.

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, KBoum said:

 

Yeah I remember I think it was Mayock at the draft said two employees of the Buccs just went to a Florida bar night after night trying to see if Jameis was a client. They also asked to the bartenders of the area if they saw him pretty often and how was he ? intoxicated or not ? driving or not ? and things like that.

Right now I have a mental picture in my head of pro scouts trying to blend into the Ohio raver scene.  Thank you for the funniest moment of my week. 

I think Nick Boyle might be a better example than Will Hill:  still on his rookie contract, a little less *healthy* depth at the position, and still on the team.  And we already knew about the suspension in college, so that's probably already a part of his ranking on the Ravens' board.  This shouldn't change anything.... but like I said earlier, this feels like why he's dropping in the first place. 

[ravensdan]

The teams definitely know way way more than we ever will hear about these guys backgrounds. Example when nkemdiche tried throwing Tunsil under the bus Jeremiah stated he knew about that for weeks and he readily admits he doesn't know as much of the background stuff as when he was a scout.

 

the perception of guys moving up and down now is either teams throwing out smoke screens combined with media guys catching up on some things. Likely we never find out the whole story on guys dripping. 

[BmoreBird22]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2625495-scouting-notebook-the-holy-grail-qb-prospect-updated-big-board-more

Matt Miller has a lot of quotes from GM's and executives. A good read.

[ellicottraven]

On 3/17/2016 at 11:31 AM, RaineV1 said:

Yeah, I can see the Ravens passing on Bosa if they want to avoid anyone with a drug history. And Bosa would be great trade bait.

You know it is entirely possible. But, I don't see both the Cowboys and Jags passing on him. After reading a lot of pro day and combine rumors from various sites here is the draft scenario I have come up with (my opinion only). 

1. Ramsey

2. Goff

3. Myles Jack

4. Buckner/Bosa

5. Bosa/Buckner

6. Laremy Tunsil

7. Don't care.

In this scenario, Tunsil fall all the way to #6 and we are singing our way to the commish with our pick! I reiterate this is my opinion tonight. I had a different scenario where I was convinced the Browns wouldn't pick a QB. Now I feel otherwise.

[Clmraven]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2625495-scouting-notebook-the-holy-grail-qb-prospect-updated-big-board-more

Matt Miller has a lot of quotes from GM's and executives. A good read.

Glad to hear Jaylon Smith is looking good so far, obviously squatting is very different from doing lateral movements, but 400lb reps already sounds very promising considering everyone was thinking his career could be over.

 

would be awesome to grab him in the 3rd.

[JoeyFlex5]

48 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

You know it is entirely possible. But, I don't see both the Cowboys and Jags passing on him. After reading a lot of pro day and combine rumors from various sites here is the draft scenario I have come up with (my opinion only). 

1. Ramsey

2. Goff

3. Myles Jack

4. Buckner/Bosa

5. Bosa/Buckner

6. Laremy Tunsil

7. Don't care.

In this scenario, Tunsil fall all the way to #6 and we are singing our way to the commish with our pick! I reiterate this is my opinion tonight. I had a different scenario where I was convinced the Browns wouldn't pick a QB. Now I feel otherwise.

I would cry. 

 

Like literally. 

 

The problem here is I just do not see any scenario where the chargers pass on tunsil man, he's the clear cut best player in the draft and their biggest need is probably LT. But hey, its fun to dream right?

[Inqui]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would cry. 

 

Like literally. 

 

The problem here is I just do not see any scenario where the chargers pass on tunsil man, he's the clear cut best player in the draft and their biggest need is probably LT. But hey, its fun to dream right?

I dunno if it's their biggest need since Dunlap's still solid enough, but I agree that there's no way he gets past the Chargers. I've made my bet that if he does get past them (without getting charged with murder before the draft or something), I'll turn my text pink and give myself a Barbie avatar for a month - and I'm sticking with that. If they do pass on Tunsil, I'd love to be there when Philip Rivers first confronts the GM. I'd imagine his reactions to when a teammate drops the ball would pale in comparison.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Inqui

[ellicottraven]

35 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would cry. 

 

Like literally. 

 

The problem here is I just do not see any scenario where the chargers pass on tunsil man, he's the clear cut best player in the draft and their biggest need is probably LT. But hey, its fun to dream right?

The Chargers evidently are really high on Myles Jack and put him through his paces on his pro day. I also read (maybe Bleacher Report) that he could be the presumptive pick for them if available. Now if Tunsil falls to them, i don’t think they necessarily pass on going defense. But Ramsey is the new favorite per Walter Football to go to Tennessee with the #1 pick. Cleveland however were present en masse from HC Hue Jackson to the their QB coach running Goff through the paces and even throwing gatorade on the ball to see how he handles a wet ball and he eprformed admirably. I think he goes to them because he did nothing that told them he couldn’t be a cold weather QB. So, I have accounted for the top 3 for you. Dallas and Jacksonville are both going D with Bosa and Buckner being the top 2 blue chippers left for them to choose from. Jacksonville is left to pick the one Dallas doesn’t imo. So, in this scenario where do you think Mr. Laremy Tunsil falls? TO US MY FRIEND!

ps: There is a a chance that Dallas may go Elliott in the first, but I am unsure. But if they do, then you may have Bosa/Buckner and Tunsil to pick from. Now how is that for not wanting to trade back regardless of the offer huh??

Edited March 19, 2016 by ellicottraven

[Winchester]

28 minutes ago, Inqui said:

I dunno if it's their biggest need since Dunlap's still solid enough, but I agree that there's no way he gets past the Chargers. I've made my bet that if he does get past them (without getting charged with murder before the draft or something), I'll turn my text pink and give myself a Barbie avatar for a month - and I'm sticking with that. If they do pass on Tunsil, I'd love to be there when Philip Rivers first confronts the GM. I'd imagine his reactions to when a teammate drops the ball would pale in comparison.

 

I heard chargers are falling out of their heels for Myles jack. Then there is Bosa Ramsey and 2 very talented QBs sonit is not out of the question. Although I would not count on it very much.

 

[Inqui]

Just now, Winchester said:

 

I heard chargers are falling out of their heels for Myles jack. Then there is Bosa Ramsey and 2 very talented QBs sonit is not out of the question. Although I would not count on it very much.

 

Personally I think he'd be on their board as a contingency - there's no point in a franchise falling in love with Tunsil only for the Titans to pull the rug out from under them. They're probably still expecting Tunsil to be gone and like Jack as an alternative.

[ellicottraven]

2 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Personally I think he'd be on their board as a contingency - there's no point in a franchise falling in love with Tunsil only for the Titans to pull the rug out from under them. They're probably still expecting Tunsil to be gone and like Jack as an alternative.

But like you pointed out, if they believe Myles Jack to be a generational talent, and still have a serviceable OT in Dunlap why would they still go Tunsil? Remember Ramsey is widely rumored to be the Titans choice at #1 for well over a week to 10 days now. All this Myles to Chargers hoopla is fairly recent. So in that light, I disagree that Jack is a contngency plan.

[Inqui]

Just now, ellicottraven said:

But like you pointed out, if they believe Myles Jack to be a generational talent, and still have a serviceable OT in Dunlap why would they still go Tunsil? Remember Ramsey is widely rumored to be the Titans choice at #1 for well over a week to 10 days now. All this Myles to Chargers hoopla is fairly recent. So in that light, I disagree that Jack is a contngency plan.

For the same reason I'd take Tunsil in a heartbeat if him and Jack are both on the board. I don't care that we have Monroe (and by the same logic I don't see why the Chargers would care that they have Dunlap) - he's just that good a prospect. Assuming all the interest in Jack is more than just a smokescreen (which is honestly a fairly generous assumption this close to the draft), it just means he's on their three-man shortlist.

And assuming the Titans take Ramsey at #1 (again, a generous assumption this close to the draft with all the information and misinformation flying around the place), what's to stop the Browns from swinging Joe Thomas in a draft day trade and taking Tunsil themselves? If the Chargers' plan this whole offseason was to sit in a dark room and watch Tunsil highlights until draft day, it's very easy for one of the top two teams to throw that plan completely off kilter and that's why they're paying extremely close attention to other guys as well.

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

You know it is entirely possible. But, I don't see both the Cowboys and Jags passing on him. After reading a lot of pro day and combine rumors from various sites here is the draft scenario I have come up with (my opinion only). 

1. Ramsey

2. Goff

3. Myles Jack

4. Buckner/Bosa

5. Bosa/Buckner

6. Laremy Tunsil

7. Don't care.

In this scenario, Tunsil fall all the way to #6 and we are singing our way to the commish with our pick! I reiterate this is my opinion tonight. I had a different scenario where I was convinced the Browns wouldn't pick a QB. Now I feel otherwise.

Yeah still turning my font pink for a year if Tunsil falls to 6(assuming he didn't suffer a huge injury or get arrested or something along those lines). Also would be shocked if he made it past San Diego

[Inqui]

12 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah still turning my font pink for a year if Tunsil falls to 6(assuming he didn't suffer a huge injury or get arrested or something along those lines). Also would be shocked if he made it past San Diego

I think I've been over the show with how long I'd keep my font that colour, but I may as well join you in the one year club. And I'd be happy to have done it - I'd gladly change my font and avatar right now if it meant we'd land him somehow and I doubt I'm the only one. The other thing is that if he inexplicably gets past SD I'm still not sold he gets past Jacksonville either - those who do the forum mock saw who I passed on to land him at #4 and I think their FO would see it the same way.

[JoeyFlex5]

49 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

The Chargers evidently are really high on Myles Jack and put him through his paces on his pro day. I also read (maybe Bleacher Report) that he could be the presumptive pick for them if available. Now if Tunsil falls to them, i don’t think they necessarily pass on going defense. But Ramsey is the new favorite per Walter Football to go to Tennessee with the #1 pick. Cleveland however were present en masse from HC Hue Jackson to the their QB coach running Goff through the paces and even throwing gatorade on the ball to see how he handles a wet ball and he eprformed admirably. I think he goes to them because he did nothing that told them he couldn’t be a cold weather QB. So, I have accounted for the top 3 for you. Dallas and Jacksonville are both going D with Bosa and Buckner being the top 2 blue chippers left for them to choose from. Jacksonville is left to pick the one Dallas doesn’t imo. So, in this scenario where do you think Mr. Laremy Tunsil falls? TO US MY FRIEND!

ps: There is a a chance that Dallas may go Elliott in the first, but I am unsure. But if they do, then you may have Bosa/Buckner and Tunsil to pick from. Now how is that for not wanting to trade back regardless of the offer huh??

All teams are high on Myles Jack though lol. Doesn't mean they pass on tunsil

[Maryland]

I'm not convinced the Ramsey #1 rumors are as serious as everyone thinks. It might be amplified for the sake of news-making. Last I read, the Titans were merely considering Ramsey at #1; they were still weighing him against Tunsil and, to a lesser extent, Bosa. I'll believe it when I see it. It could be smoke by Tennessee to drum up more trade interest. 

As of right now, my gut says:

1) Tunsil

2) Wentz

3) Ramsey

4) Bosa

5) Jack

6) Trade down (because someone will want Goff ahead of SF)

 

Boring and cliched, I know

[Sizzlebshu]

Chargers are taking joey bosa. Lock it in.

theyll pass on tunsil because, like i said 100 times, their prob isnt offensive scoring, its outscoring their oppn. No offensive playsr will fix that problem

Edited March 19, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[Davesta]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

I'm not convinced the Ramsey #1 rumors are as serious as everyone thinks. It might be amplified for the sake of news-making. Last I read, the Titans were merely considering Ramsey at #1; they were still weighing him against Tunsil and, to a lesser extent, Bosa. I'll believe it when I see it. It could be smoke by Tennessee to drum up more trade interest. 

As of right now, my gut says:

1) Tunsil

2) Wentz

3) Ramsey

4) Bosa

5) Jack

6) Trade down (because someone will want Goff ahead of SF)

 

Boring and cliched, I know

Man if we trade down, it better come with a 2017 1st. 

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Chargers are taking joey bosa. Lock it in.

Roger that, I will