The Secondary

[Sherly_Tebow]

Looking at our secondary, we obviously have holes to fill at corner and safety. But we have some promise...

At corner, we're gonna have Jimmy,  S. Wright, Will Davis, and maybe Ramesy from the draft. Plus Webb even though he's switched to safety and he may be cut. That's not too bad, plus I feel that I'm forgetting a few names. Even if we don't get Ramesy, I think we'll find someone who can step in and do good.

 

At safety, we have Will Hill who'se pretty solid, Kendrick Lewis, Brooks, and Webb. That's okay, but one more piece there could make it a lot more dangerous.

 

Im in class on my phone, and this is all of the top of my head, but it seems we're close to getting a pretty good secondary, when healthy. What do you guys think?

[757RavensFan]

16 minutes ago, Sherly_Tebow said:

Looking at our secondary, we obviously have holes to fill at corner and safety. But we have some promise...

At corner, we're gonna have Jimmy,  S. Wright, Will Davis, and maybe Ramesy from the draft. Plus Webb even though he's switched to safety and he may be cut. That's not too bad, plus I feel that I'm forgetting a few names. Even if we don't get Ramesy, I think we'll find someone who can step in and do good.

 

At safety, we have Will Hill who'se pretty solid, Kendrick Lewis, Brooks, and Webb. That's okay, but one more piece there could make it a lot more dangerous.

 

Im in class on my phone, and this is all of the top of my head, but it seems we're close to getting a pretty good secondary, when healthy. What do you guys think?

I'm thinking Lewis gets cut and don't forget Matt Elam is coming back healthy. 

[FGSB]

If they do go with a DB I'd prefer Hargreaves, he definitely can help our lack of turnovers. Hes a smart guy with good instinct, always seems to be around the ball, great range, and great hands. With Jimmy returning to form and Hargreaves on the other side, it almost wouldn't matter who we put out there with Will Hill. I just don't see Ramsey helping with our lack of turnovers like Hargreaves could

[usmccharles]

I think our secondary as is will improve with Jimmy being back healthy.   I think their communication back there improves with Webb.   But of course we will add someone 

[Wildabeast88]

28 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think our secondary as is will improve with Jimmy being back healthy.   I think their communication back there improves with Webb.   But of course we will add someone 

I agree I think Webb back there making the calls is a strong move I feel like as a group the secondary will be much improved just with everyone being healthy

[RavensFan34950]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I think our secondary as is will improve with Jimmy being back healthy.   I think their communication back there improves with Webb.   But of course we will add someone 

Thank you. Everyone just assuming that we cut Webb before we even see what he can do at the FS spot is getting ridiculous. He's been around Reed long enough to know how to communicate with the secondary. I trust him.

[PolishRifle]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I think our secondary as is will improve with Jimmy being back healthy.   I think their communication back there improves with Webb.   But of course we will add someone 

That's a good argument, but Jimmy has a history of getting injured. I obviously hope he'll stay healthy, OBVIOUSLY, but it still puts our secondary in the same position as our pass rush. We rely heavily on one player, who has been getting hurt in the past several times.

[thieverycorporation]

1 hour ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Thank you. Everyone just assuming that we cut Webb before we even see what he can do at the FS spot is getting ridiculous. He's been around Reed long enough to know how to communicate with the secondary. I trust him.

Good point and I didn't think of it that way. Thats astute and a forward thinking.

[PurpleCity5]

FWIW, Oz did say the secondary is "trending upward", but I don't know how much weight that carries.

Edited February 12, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

My thinking is we put incentives in Webb's deal, I mean he kind of might be forced to take a pay-cut. I believe his cap-hit for this year will be $9.5M and next year $7.5M, yeah that's way to much for a guy who has been underwhelming the past two seasons and is now just making the jump to safety, I think we do bring his cap down but add incentives. I think we keep Kendrick Lewis as competition, I think it could be competition for Webb, but I don't think he makes the 53. 

I think we find a #2 CB. I think the F.O will view Davis and Wright as 3s and 4s, no way do we go into 2016 without a reliable CB, can't make it three straight years where CB is a problem for you. I think we find a starter, via FA or the Draft.

 

 

[K-Dog]

Depth is my concern. 

[Tru11]

wright and davis pre injury have been playing well so there is hope there.

if jimmy stays injury free then we are good there as well.

if we dont draft a corner high , i could see webb slide to the nickle with brooks or elam subbing in on sub packages if webb stays around.

think arrington and lewis wont make the roster.

also think we need to get a pass rush first though.
once we get that everything else will fall into place imo

 

Edited February 12, 2016 by Tru11

[JoeyFlex5]

Unless we get ramsey I think Webb stays at fs for the year and I actually think he'll do a respectable job, I've always thought his skill set was more in line with a safety but he was playing too good at cb which is a higher value position. I really hope either Wright or Davis can handle the load well enough, I don't think either are long term guys though. A healthy Jimmy will make a world of difference but we still have a long way to go to rebuild the secondary, I don't think hill will be around long term so that means we need 2 safeties, 2 cbs plus depth and that isn't even counting the pass rush woes. I think this will be a long process but I think overall as a team we can suffice until we finally get the pieces in place

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

That's a good argument, but Jimmy has a history of getting injured. I obviously hope he'll stay healthy, OBVIOUSLY, but it still puts our secondary in the same position as our pass rush. We rely heavily on one player, who has been getting hurt in the past several times.

Oh I agree.  Because of his injury I believe we will draft a CB in the first or second.  I have kind of given up on taken a WR in the first two but im ok with that.  If we end up taking a CB in the first, lets just say HG3, going forward with Jimmy and HG3 im more than ok with.  If Jimmy got back to form, we could potentially have dual shut down corners, key word being IF.  I think the safe bet is to take a CB in one of the first rounds and develop him, adds depth and future starter, if not starter from day one. 

[Perfekt]

I think Webb and Hill can man the safety role. Were going to need a corner no matter what tho.

 

[berad]

Corner's an obvious need and I'd be surprised if we don't draft that position high.

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, berad said:

Corner's an obvious need and I'd be surprised if we don't draft that position high.

Id bet on one in the frist three easily

[berad]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Id bet on one in the frist three easily

I'd almost say first two. All depends on BPA I guess but I think they've been looking for one for a year or two. Harbaugh has said he was very high on Marcus Peters last year.

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, berad said:

I'd almost say first two. All depends on BPA I guess but I think they've been looking for one for a year or two. Harbaugh has said he was very high on Marcus Peters last year.

I hope so.  would love to see Myles Jack and Kendal Fuller as our first two selections

[Clmraven]

If we dont address our secondary I think we're gonna repeat the last two seasons eventually playing with practiced squaders, we need to clear some cap space and really go after some guys, I say grab at least 2 DBs in FA there's some decent safeties that might not be too expensive with Weddle, Tashaun Gipson or maybe Tyvon Branch. We also need to draft at least 3 DBs (2 CBs 1S) if were gonna be stuck playing with backup players I'd at least like them to be ours instead of having to pluck them from someone else's PS.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Clmraven said:

If we dont address our secondary I think we're gonna repeat the last two seasons eventually playing with practiced squaders, we need to clear some cap space and really go after some guys, I say grab at least 2 DBs in FA there's some decent safeties that might not be too expensive with Weddle, Tashaun Gipson or maybe Tyvon Branch. We also need to draft at least 3 DBs (2 CBs 1S) if were gonna be stuck playing with backup players I'd at least like them to be ours instead of having to pluck them from someone else's PS.

We don't have that kind of money now,  even if joe extends we will try to use that for KO.   There's just not near enough money for your plans.   Weddle will be out of our price range easily.   Your going to be extremely disappointed this off season 

[Halshayeji]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Unless we get ramsey I think Webb stays at fs for the year and I actually think he'll do a respectable job, I've always thought his skill set was more in line with a safety but he was playing too good at cb which is a higher value position. I really hope either Wright or Davis can handle the load well enough, I don't think either are long term guys though. A healthy Jimmy will make a world of difference but we still have a long way to go to rebuild the secondary, I don't think hill will be around long term so that means we need 2 safeties, 2 cbs plus depth and that isn't even counting the pass rush woes. I think this will be a long process but I think overall as a team we can suffice until we finally get the pieces in place

I totally agree. Webb could surprise a lot of peeps at FS. I think he's got good hands, size, and is arguably our second best tackler in the secondary. I also hope Jimmy comes back closer to 100% and keep it that way. I for one believe that changing the turf to natural grass will do wonders for our injury crisis. Unfortunately, your also right about w.hill, he probably prices himself out by the time his contract ends. One thing I'd like to see this year is the development of Brooks as I think hes got all the physical tools to be a great safety. It's just a matter of when.

[757RavensFan]

48 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

I totally agree. Webb could surprise a lot of peeps at FS. I think he's got good hands, size, and is arguably our second best tackler in the secondary. I also hope Jimmy comes back closer to 100% and keep it that way. I for one believe that changing the turf to natural grass will do wonders for our injury crisis. Unfortunately, your also right about w.hill, he probably prices himself out by the time his contract ends. One thing I'd like to see this year is the development of Brooks as I think hes got all the physical tools to be a great safety. It's just a matter of when.

 

That's one thing Webb doesn't have is size.  He's pretty small by today's standards for a safety. 

[Clmraven]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

We don't have that kind of money now,  even if joe extends we will try to use that for KO.   There's just not near enough money for your plans.   Weddle will be out of our price range easily.   Your going to be extremely disappointed this off season 

Key word there is "try" yes we will probably try to re-sign KO but he'll probably get overpaid elsewhere, so if we just re-sign Tucker, restructure Joe's contract and maybe Webb's if possible, cut Canty we get about 2mil of saving if we give up on Arrington that's another 1.5 mil Weddle will probably be in the 6-7mil a year range I sure if we really wanted to, Ozzie could find a way to fit him in under the cap.

 

Gipson will probably get a big contract but who knows he wasn't great this season, Branch will probably be the cheapest option and he'd be a welcome addition IMO.

Edited February 12, 2016 by Clmraven

[rmw10]

4 hours ago, Clmraven said:

If we dont address our secondary I think we're gonna repeat the last two seasons eventually playing with practiced squaders, we need to clear some cap space and really go after some guys, I say grab at least 2 DBs in FA there's some decent safeties that might not be too expensive with Weddle, Tashaun Gipson or maybe Tyvon Branch. We also need to draft at least 3 DBs (2 CBs 1S) if were gonna be stuck playing with backup players I'd at least like them to be ours instead of having to pluck them from someone else's PS.

I do think we absolutely need to address secondary, but that seems like a little bit of overkill.  I highly doubt you'll see us sign/draft 5 new DB's.

[GrimCoconut]

We'll draft a secondary player in one of the first three rounds and could possibly draft two in those first three rounds. It all depends on who is there, obviously, but I have to imagine Ramsey is at the top of our current board at this time, then it would be a pass rusher. I think Kendall Fuller is an ideal fit for Frazier and I think he would bring a lot of what the Ravens want in terms of a CB since he can make plays & he would pair really well with Jimmy. I think if we pass on a CB in the first, then Kendall Fuller in the second or as a trade-up option makes the most sense. I'd then expect us to take Vonn Bell or Darian Thompson in the 3rd round if we didn't get Ramsey in the first. 

[AnthonyGames]

I think everybody agrees that we could use some more talent at CB, and a healthy Jimmy Smith is key. However, when I look back on the season, I place a lot of blame on the free safety position, namely Kendrick Lewis. I feel like every game I caught myself yelling profanities at the TV directed at Kendrick Lewis! Our problem was how many big plays we gave up. Will Hill got bounced around at both safety positions; I think he will really shine if he's able to stay at SS all year. He's athletic, instinctual, and physical enough to provide run support around the line and cover TE's and RB's. I have a really good feeling that having Webb at FS providing the last line of defense would be an instant fix for our secondary. Then hopefully Elam can finally stay healthy and play to half the potential a 1st round pick should, and Brooks has shown glimpses of promise. If these two guys can play well, our safety positions will be further solidified, and between Webb, Elam, and Brooks, they provide depth at safety and nickel corner too.

[rmw10]

I think Webb will actually really help the secondary as long as we keep him, of course.  He's the leader of the secondary.  There were a lot of communication issues last year with Lewis at FS.  Putting Webb back there makes that communication easier.

[Deflated Football]

I'd rather take care of the pass rush first to be honest. Not saying we don't need to add an addition to the secondary, but a competent pass rush would help A LOT. Who knows if Sizz will still have it next season and Doom is just getting older. If we can nab Bosa in the first and Yannick in the third, that would probably do wonders for the defense as a whole. Z. Smith, in my eyes, is a good player, but I just see him as a role player to be honest. I'm a little more higher on Urban but he needs to stay on the field. 

 

Look at the Broncos with Ware and Miller. Cam was under duress for the entire game and had about two seconds to make a read. That makes it easier for the secondary. We don't need a superstar Corner to get the job done. Claiborne and Trumaine (not sure how his market will look, could get overpaid) come to mind as cheap DB's who we would probably target. I think Webb will excel in the FS spot. 

Edited February 12, 2016 by Deflated Football

[Clmraven]

34 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I do think we absolutely need to address secondary, but that seems like a little bit of overkill.  I highly doubt you'll see us sign/draft 5 new DB's.

Yeah but when I say draft 3 DBs I'm thinking at least one of them in the fifth round or later, put em through camp if they impress, keep him if not, cut him. We just need fresh blood sure we already have a ton of safeties and CB's but Will Hill is the only one that's shown anything in the past 2 years and right now our only capable CB is Jimmy, Wright looked good the final half of the season but he's a FA and who says keeps playing well? To me this is very similar to our WR woes of the past few years, we fail to address the position because we think we're stacked when in reality we just have a bunch of below average guys.