[News] Late For Work 2/11: Mel Kiper: Ravens Will Need To Trade Up For Top Defensive Talent

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[Whantzes]

does Bosa scream bust to anyone else?

[ravensnj]

Ozzie will pick the best available or trade the first pick. My question is, who do we take second and third? We have really high picks in each round and so many talents available. Love to see 2: Cyrus Jones, 3:Sterling Sheppard, and 4: Scooby Wright.

[bioLarzen]

Almost all mocks that predict Bosa, Tunsil or Ramsey available at #6 have the Cowboys pick a QB (usually Wentz) - which I don't think is gonna happen. You're not spentding your top-10 pick on a guy who's gonna be a clipboard holder if things go well.

At this point, Ronnie Stanely #6 seems a solid forecast.

[b93333]

In Ozzie we trust... used to be the saying that everyone believed in... we will see this spring if it still rings true.

[757RavensFan]

34 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Almost all mocks that predict Bosa, Tunsil or Ramsey available at #6 have the Cowboys pick a QB (usually Wentz) - which I don't think is gonna happen. You're not spentding your top-10 pick on a guy who's gonna be a clipboard holder if things go well.

At this point, Ronnie Stanely #6 seems a solid forecast.

Agreed, but I hope KO somehow resigns and we go defense w/ our 1st round pick.  Even if that means trading back and getting Noah Spence (assuming Ramsey is gone). 

Edited February 11, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[757RavensFan]

This story on Stanley (if true) doesn't help our chances of getting Ramsey.  If Stanley slips, then Ramsey will surely be taken ahead of us. 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2615842-insider-buzz-nfl-execs-questioning-ronnie-stanleys-work-ethic-ahead-of-combine

 

[fusuymada]

Just a recap of what I said yesterday, if the ravens want a gamechanger they have to trade up to get Ramsey and if Noah Spence slips to 20 or so, they need to move back in and get him. We are at a turning point and we need to acquire some top rated players. Yes it will cost a couple picks to move up but I don't mind losing a couple to get who we really NEED. Ramsey and Bosa should be one and two on our board based on our defense last year. I think the writing is on the wall and if Ozzie doesn't secure at least two starters on defense on the draft, he may retire next year and DeCosta may take over. Ozzie said he will stay as long as it is fun to come to work, I can't imagine if we have a losing season next year, after 2 losing seasons and 3 out of 4 out of the playoffs, it will still be fun for Ozzie to come to work. Here is where he solidifies his legacy by moving up and getting the guy we need. We need defense, we have Perriman as a spare first rounder this year so we don't need to grab a WR until we take a flyer on someone late. I am good with who we have and a couple free agents.

[crazyboutravens]

Always doom and gloom from Kiper.

[sami]

Our draft board and Kipers draft board is always different. I cant believe there aren't 6 players we deem worthy of a 6th place pick. If there is a guy we think is worth the number 6 pick and we are very sure he will be there at say number 9 or 10 we could drop down to get him and pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick. No one knows what Ozzie will do....not even Ozzie at this point.

[Drew P]

I don't understand the logic predicting Stanley at # 6.

They have Monroe at LT with a hefty contract and Urshel at LG.

The pick isn't an immediate impact and is one of those "safe" moves that seldom produces Lombardi trophies.

[YankeeRaven]

Shouldn't Ravens pick at no. 5 since the Jags beat them and they both ended with the same record?

[robbie29]

Unlike Kiper, I wouldn't say (yet) that Perriman has all the talent in the world. He has all kinds of potential, but until he proves what he can do on the field there's no way to tell if that boatload of talent is there or not. Right now all we really know is that he was really, really fast coming out of college. Unfortunately, a knee injury that is serious enough to derail an entire rookie season may well have adverse effects on speed. It stinks that we have to wait about 7 months to find out.

[thecommish]

i would be just fine with tunsil @ #6

[ravens4life86]

There will be QBs taken ahead of the Ravens so that will help. Browns, maybe Cowboys..so Ravens will get a player they want. No LT though

[rmcjacket23]

43 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I don't understand the logic predicting Stanley at # 6.

They have Monroe at LT with a hefty contract and Urshel at LG.

The pick isn't an immediate impact and is one of those "safe" moves that seldom produces Lombardi trophies.

Makes perfect sense to me to be honest if we know that KO isn't getting resigned...

1. Monroe is often injured and rather inconsistent when actually playing, though I don't think he's a bad LT when healthy and playing. 

2. Monroe has a decent-sized contract, and one that he hasn't produced anywhere near so far.

3. If we draft a LT early, he can either sit behind for a year and develop, or he can play Guard in year 1 and switch over to LT in year 2. This not only allows us to potentially field a dominate Oline this season, but it also adds depth to the LT position that we are lacking, since we pretty much know James Hurst is a disaster there.

4. Cutting Monroe in 2017 as opposed to 2016 frees up a little over $4.5M in cap space with significantly less dead money ($4.4M), so it makes more sense to cut him next season as opposed to this season.

Given that we have a QB coming back off a significant injury, and we already know we have injury/consistency concerns and a lack of depth at the most important offensive line position, it makes all the sense in the world to upgrade that spot. Also allows us to potentially upgrade the starter position at LT long term at a discounted price.

[dirtybird66]

two thing's,bad draft year for talent,if ramsey's gone before #6 we really should trade back,also PERRIMAN is a BUST,cut ties now,he'll be OFT-INJURED and VERY FEW,VERY FEW have come back the same after his injury,so at best he will be a second teer reciever,sorry ravens fan's.

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, dirtybird66 said:

two thing's,bad draft year for talent,if ramsey's gone before #6 we really should trade back,also PERRIMAN is a BUST,cut ties now,he'll be OFT-INJURED and VERY FEW,VERY FEW have come back the same after his injury,so at best he will be a second teer reciever,sorry ravens fan's.

Yeah, this is ridiculously false and laughable.

1. You can't label a player who has had a grand total of one injury in his pro career as oft injured. There's no shortage of players who have come back from this type of injury. Wherever you are getting your information from (I'm guessing you made it up), its wrong.

2. Cutting him costs more than keeping him. He costs just under $2M against the cap this season, and if you cut him, he then counts $5.5M against the cap this season. 

If he's a second tier receiver, then so be it. We need a second tier receiver.

Luckily, all of this talk is moot, because the FO isn't and shouldn't cut him. So if your expectation is that we will move on from him now or even in 2017, I'd start prepping yourself for massive disappointment right now.

 

Edited February 11, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[cobrajet]

  1 hour ago, Drew P said:

I don't understand the logic predicting Stanley at # 6.

They have Monroe at LT with a hefty contract and Urshel at LG.

The pick isn't an immediate impact and is one of those "safe" moves that seldom produces Lombardi trophies.

Makes perfect sense to me to be honest if we know that KO isn't getting resigned...

1. Monroe is often injured and rather inconsistent when actually playing, though I don't think he's a bad LT when healthy and playing. 

2. Monroe has a decent-sized contract, and one that he hasn't produced anywhere near so far.

3. If we draft a LT early, he can either sit behind for a year and develop, or he can play Guard in year 1 and switch over to LT in year 2. This not only allows us to potentially field a dominate Oline this season, but it also adds depth to the LT position that we are lacking, since we pretty much know James Hurst is a disaster there.

4. Cutting Monroe in 2017 as opposed to 2016 frees up a little over $4.5M in cap space with significantly less dead money ($4.4M), so it makes more sense to cut him next season as opposed to this season.

Given that we have a QB coming back off a significant injury, and we already know we have injury/consistency concerns and a lack of depth at the most important offensive line position, it makes all the sense in the world to upgrade that spot. Also allows us to potentially upgrade the starter position at LT long term at a discounted price.

Agreed, IMHO drafting a LT at #6 may be the smart pick for the reasons you listed because Bosa and Ramsey will probably be off the board.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, cobrajet said:

Agreed, IMHO drafting a LT at #6 may be the smart pick for the reasons you listed because Bosa and Ramsey will probably be off the board.

Don't get me wrong... I'm actually kind of hoping we DON'T go this route, because I really want to get an impact defensive player. 

I just think that Bosa and Ramsey are the only two worth taking that high, and I think they both will be gone. 

In my eyes, that leaves us with the following options, in no particular order:

1. Corner

2. WR

3. OT

The BPA of those three positions may very well end up being an OT.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Drafting a LT when we have Monroe would not be a wise choice.A wise choice would be drafting Treadwell since Steve Smith is retiring next year and we have no idea what we have in Perriman.And even if Perriman does work out we will still need someone on the other side of him.You don't use such a precious draft pick on the off chance that you might want to cut a player a year later when you have another player that you know will be gone for sure.

Edited February 11, 2016 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

Drafting a LT when we have Monroe would not be a wise choice.A wise choice would be drafting Treadwell since Steve Smith is retiring next year and we have no idea what we have in Perriman.And even if Perriman does work out we will still need someone on the other side of him.You don't use such a precious draft pick on the off chance that you might want to cut a player a year later when you have another player that you know will be gone for sure.

There's also the possibility that Treadwell might not be any good or could get injured like Perriman... such is the risk of draft picks.

I think we need to upgrade WR like everybody else, but not sure we need to use two first round picks to do it. You'll find this offense has never really catered to massive production from two WRs, and I don't think its going to in the future either.

Or, put another way, if Monroe has another year like the last two he's had, he will 100% be gone in 2017. Good luck with the rookie or cheap veteran you sign to replace him then.

[757RavensFan]

40 minutes ago, dirtybird66 said:

two thing's,bad draft year for talent,if ramsey's gone before #6 we really should trade back,also PERRIMAN is a BUST,cut ties now,he'll be OFT-INJURED and VERY FEW,VERY FEW have come back the same after his injury,so at best he will be a second teer reciever,sorry ravens fan's.

By your logic, guys who have a MCL and ACL surgeries should just retire. BTW, that means Flacco is done! SMH

Considering the fact that those injuries are worse that a tendon sprain, care to explain how do they comeback and play at a competitive level?  

[Ravenous_Ravens]

If Ramsey/Bosa is not there at 6, I strongly feel Ozzie would look to trade back to mid first round and accrue another pick in the 2 or 3 & 4th. The only reason not to move back would be if there is not a lot of confidence at LT moving forward. But I mean Monroe can't possibly be injured any more than he has the last few seasons right.

[ravens4life86]

No. Dont draft a LT. As injured as Monroe has been, when healthy hes been solid enough. If you want to get a LT take one later in the draft mid rounds like LeRaven Clark.
But draft pass rush early, and WR in first2-3rounds.
Bosa,Myles Jack,Noah Spence, Leonard Floyd, Treadwell
Rnd 2, Kevin Dodd, Calhoun, Braxton Miller, Corey Coleman, WillFuller

[jravens13]

Miles Jack and Jaylon Smith would also get this defense it's swagger back. I think Gurley might help teams make a think twice about passing on a future star (Jaylon Smith) and they will wait to get paid their dividends for the long run. How can you rule out Jaylon Smith for the season when he injured his knee in January 1st? Flacco says he will be back by training camp and he injured his knee in November 24th.

[billiejean]

2 hours ago, fusuymada said:

Just a recap of what I said yesterday, if the ravens want a gamechanger they have to trade up to get Ramsey and if Noah Spence slips to 20 or so, they need to move back in and get him. We are at a turning point and we need to acquire some top rated players. Yes it will cost a couple picks to move up but I don't mind losing a couple to get who we really NEED. Ramsey and Bosa should be one and two on our board based on our defense last year. I think the writing is on the wall and if Ozzie doesn't secure at least two starters on defense on the draft, he may retire next year and DeCosta may take over. Ozzie said he will stay as long as it is fun to come to work, I can't imagine if we have a losing season next year, after 2 losing seasons and 3 out of 4 out of the playoffs, it will still be fun for Ozzie to come to work. Here is where he solidifies his legacy by moving up and getting the guy we need. We need defense, we have Perriman as a spare first rounder this year so we don't need to grab a WR until we take a flyer on someone late. I am good with who we have and a couple free agents.

you say the same thing everyday, and everyday it is clear that it would be impossible for us to do the things you think we should do. Trading from the sixth pick in the second round down to the 20th pick in the first round will not happen. We would have to give up most, to all of our picks (except the compensatory ones). Its time for you my friend to start looking at the reality of the situation. Its also interesting that everyone thinks spence is going to be a superstar. Im sure no one had any idea who he was before they did a piece on him. But since that piece he is the talk of the town. I would wait for the combine to crown him as a top pass rusher. Reality is one hell of a drug.

Edited February 11, 2016 by billiejean

[The Mom Gene]

two thing's,bad draft year for talent,if ramsey's gone before #6 we really should trade back,also PERRIMAN is a BUST,cut ties now,he'll be OFT-INJURED and VERY FEW,VERY FEW have come back the same after his injury,so at best he will be a second teer reciever,sorry ravens fan's.

Except that second "teer" receivers are what we have won Super Bowls with... lolol.... Perriman isn't a bust, and your logic just doesn't hold water. If you look at the number of players with ACL's... AP is one of them. Is he done? Come on man... trolling is so uncool.

[The Greek]

i hope the front office does not trade back unless the extra pick we acquire is at least a 2nd rounder

[The Mom Gene]

Our draft board and Kipers draft board is always different. I cant believe there aren't 6 players we deem worthy of a 6th place pick. If there is a guy we think is worth the number 6 pick and we are very sure he will be there at say number 9 or 10 we could drop down to get him and pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick. No one knows what Ozzie will do....not even Ozzie at this point.

That's why I haven't had much to say Sami. So much is going to change between now and draft... so much talk, and nothing for any of us to say to back it all up.