[News] Late For Work 2/10: ESPN's Crystal Ball Says Ravens Bounce Back With Rookie Of Year

[fusuymada]

I don't trust that anyone who played last year will be better this year because A)They were injured two years ago and were still healing. B) Changing positions will suit them better. c) They were still adjusting to our system. Face it folks, without throwing anyone under the bus, our secondary was atrocious. When I see other corners one step off a receiver and our corners are routinely 5 steps off receivers, I know we have bigger problems than just making excuses. If we want to get better we need to get better players. Wishing on a star isn't my idea of building a playoff contender. Ramsey is a solid, lock down corner who is also big enough to move to safety IF one of these corners who were injured last year or two years ago does a turn around. Ramsey is becoming a hot commodity due to the fact that GMs are just starting to realize just how much of a game changer he can be. Ozzie needs to move up and secure him at pick 3 before San Diego picks because they surely will snatch him up. And after we move up and grab Ramsey, we need to then move back into the first and snatch Noah Spence if he falls due to off field issues. We need to be proactive this draft and not wait and see who falls to us. WE NEED PLAYMAKERS and rarely do they appear after round 3. Yes, there are a few who do, but you can find a lot more in the first 25 picks than in the last 25.

[RavensDieHard21]

I don't know why so many people think Ramsey is a play maker. He didn't have very many picks during his college career...something like 4. Hes a good corner and safety but a playmaker??? don't think so.

Interceptions are the ultimate goal at those positions of CB/S you could argue, but a play maker is simply a player that can do something on the field that can help your team win. Ramsey can play the run perhaps the best of all the corners/ safeties. maybe besides Cash and Alexander, he can rush the passer when he is used in blitz packages, and he can also lay punishing hits on receivers, tight ends and running backs that try to catch the ball in his area. His coverage I don't think is as good as Alexander or HG3, but he is 3-4 inches taller than both of them and will match up better with bigger receivers. I just wish he displayed better hips to shadow receivers easier.

[RavensDieHard21]

  1 hour ago, Raven_Don said:

  1 hour ago, jravens13 said:

Deepest RB class was definitely the 2008 Ravens when we ran heavy because Flacco was a rookie: Le'ron McClain, Willis McGahee, and Ray Rice. I loved that team. We were so physical on both sides of the football...We lost our physicality ever since the SB, and the retirement of Ray Lewis.

Our defense will not be good enough unless we address it heavily through the draft, FA, and underperforming players are willing to take pay cuts, which is unlikely. I think the Trestman offense is all about stats, and does little for the win column because we fail to control time of possession. I think we are somewhere around 8-8, but we get the easy NFC East which could propel us to 10-6, only to get bounced out of the playoffs quick.

I beg to differ I think the trio of Rice... McGahee... and Ricky Williams was a better trio... Just my opinion of course..

again we picked up Ricky Williams in 2011 because we let Mcgahee walk (he ended up in denver). Williams and Mcgahee never played together.

I think we were deepest in 08-09 when we had McGahee, McClain, and Rice! That was a scary backfield

[RavensDieHard21]

Deepest RB class was definitely the 2008 Ravens when we ran heavy because Flacco was a rookie: Le'ron McClain, Willis McGahee, and Ray Rice. I loved that team. We were so physical on both sides of the football...We lost our physicality ever since the SB, and the retirement of Ray Lewis.

Our defense will not be good enough unless we address it heavily through the draft, FA, and underperforming players are willing to take pay cuts, which is unlikely. I think the Trestman offense is all about stats, and does little for the win column because we fail to control time of possession. I think we are somewhere around 8-8, but we get the easy NFC East which could propel us to 10-6, only to get bounced out of the playoffs quick.

I agree 1000% with our RBS that year being the best

[billiejean]

33 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

I don't trust that anyone who played last year will be better this year because A)They were injured two years ago and were still healing. Changing positions will suit them better. c) They were still adjusting to our system. Face it folks, without throwing anyone under the bus, our secondary was atrocious. When I see other corners one step off a receiver and our corners are routinely 5 steps off receivers, I know we have bigger problems than just making excuses. If we want to get better we need to get better players. Wishing on a star isn't my idea of building a playoff contender. Ramsey is a solid, lock down corner who is also big enough to move to safety IF one of these corners who were injured last year or two years ago does a turn around. Ramsey is becoming a hot commodity due to the fact that GMs are just starting to realize just how much of a game changer he can be. Ozzie needs to move up and secure him at pick 3 before San Diego picks because they surely will snatch him up. And after we move up and grab Ramsey, we need to then move back into the first and snatch Noah Spence if he falls due to off field issues. We need to be proactive this draft and not wait and see who falls to us. WE NEED PLAYMAKERS and rarely do they appear after round 3. Yes, there are a few who do, but you can find a lot more in the first 25 picks than in the last 25.

we only have so many picks. and quite frankly we do not enough picks to do both of the things you mentions. Everybody is on the Noah Spence train now because of the article written about him on this site. Before the article absolutely no one was talking about him. But when people read the article they have knee jerk reactions and tend to convince themselves that he will be a superstar (without doing any research themselves about the player). Im not. sure he is going to be able to live up to his expectations at the combine. And this is an ongoing thing, As soon as an article on this site highlights any of the draftable college players, everyone is instantly enamored with them. After that article some people have even suggested that we take him in the first at number 6 which is laughable.  And to be clear fusuymada  I am not accusing you of doing anything like this.  Im sure you have researched the guy.  But the knee jerk reaction is an ongoing problem on this site like.....  the trading or cutting monroe - firing dean pees - letting Flacco walk because he is to expensive and Mallet is good qb -  and the ozzy is a terrible GM because he let dickson, oher , stewart, daniels leave.   There are plenty more i just can't think of any

Edited February 10, 2016 by billiejean

[RavensDieHard21]

Some fellow Ravens fans are critical of Ozzie on some of his recent draft picks, but let's be honest, it's hard to draft superstars when you're over an extended period of time picking at the end of the rounds. So much talent slips away because we are not in position to grab it. In our early years the Ravens record often yo-yo'd so much that Ozzie always had a great chance to get premier talent. Recently though, when he has been inside the top 20 we have come away with Joe Flacco and CJ Mosley, both huge pieces for our franchise. So I would be absolutely shocked if he didn't come away with a tremendous 1-2 punch with two picks inside the top 37 prospects, which might be three if we trade down. The Wizard of Oz is ready to work his magic...please bring home any combination of Bosa, Ramsey, Buckner, Alexander, HG3, Floyd, Ogbah, Spence, or Billings.

[billiejean]

31 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think we were deepest in 08-09 when we had McGahee, McClain, and Rice! That was a scary backfield

yea man I liked that to . McClain really stepped up that year and converted from FB to the number one RB.  Rice was given minimal reps because he was a rook but he was a good change of pace back.  

[bioLarzen]

Jalen Ramsey, along with Bosa and Tunsdil, is routinely picekd ahead of us in the mocks - and I think its understood. Having Ramsey available at #6 would be huge - but - unless something happens or turns out - it seems unlikely.

[bioLarzen]

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What notifications do you mean?

[The Greek]

  1 hour ago, The Greek said:

does anyone know if there is a way to delete the notifications? thanks in advance

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[Ugly Ball]

33:1 odds at the casinos for the Ravens to win the SB. $100 now could get you $3,300 in a year! I am tempted.... :)

Last year I thought the same thing. I had a really strong feeling we would win the Superbowl. So strong, I put down $1,000 at 17:1 during preseason. Thinking how great it would be to cash in on $17,000 !
Well the rest is history in the books. I jinxed the team so bad that even Ironman Flacco went down ! I will never wager another dime on our team ! This should be enough to get us into the playoffs and win a Superbowl.
So go ahead guys. Now is the time to put your money down..!

[Crusader]

  2 hours ago, The Greek said:

does anyone know if there is a way to delete the notifications? thanks in advance

What notifications do you mean?

Heck I'm still looking for the easy log on screen. Now I have to jump around the web pages.

[Crusader]

First thru the third round draft picks should be defense players. It's time to get back to Ravens Winning Ways!

[The Greek]

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

  2 hours ago, The Greek said:

does anyone know if there is a way to delete the notifications? thanks in advance

What notifications do you mean?

Heck I'm still looking for the easy log on screen. Now I have to jump around the web pages.

hehehe yeah its been a headache at times figuring things out

[ellicottraven]

3 hours ago, billiejean said:

I would also argue that CB as priority number one. The only starter we have as of now is Jimmy Smith. So it would behoove us to take one that will be able to contribute right away. And those types of CBs are not going to be there in later rounds. Impact pass rushers are easier to find in later rounds than impact corners. But just because CB is our priority doesn't mean we have to take one in the first. Our first round pick is not set in stone. The players that are taken 1-5 will dictate who we take.

I think Shareece Wright proved more than serviceable at the end of last season. In fact, one could argue he was the best CB on our team. With Jimmy coming back healthy, Shareece Wright with a year in our system, having traded for Will Davis (who will also be healthy) and Tray Walker on board I really don't think we need to panic quite yet. Could we use a great young CB in the draft like a Ramsey, VH3, Alexander, etc.? Sure we could because there will never be enough good CBs on any team. Having said that however, conceding that Ozzie always picks BPA ( that has been Gospel here for years btw) and we are cool with it. My sense is if there is an exceptional pass rusher available at 6, this year we make an exception and go for that player! That is how critical that position is for the Ravens. Everything we do flows off of the pass rush and last year proved it! My instincts tell me we go pass rush at 6, unless of course the top rushers are gone and Ramsey is available.

[billiejean]

41 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

4 hours ago, billiejean said:

I would also argue that CB as priority number one. The only starter we have as of now is Jimmy Smith. So it would behoove us to take one that will be able to contribute right away. And those types of CBs are not going to be there in later rounds. Impact pass rushers are easier to find in later rounds than impact corners. But just because CB is our priority doesn't mean we have to take one in the first. Our first round pick is not set in stone. The players that are taken 1-5 will dictate who we take.

I think Shareece Wright proved more than serviceable at the end of last season. In fact, one could argue he was the best CB on our team. With Jimmy coming back healthy, Shareece Wright with a year in our system, having traded for Will Davis (who will also be healthy) and Tray Walker on board I really don't think we need to panic quite yet. Could we use a great young CB in the draft like a Ramsey, VH3, Alexander, etc.? Sure we could because there will never be enough good CBs on any team. Having said that however, conceding that Ozzie always picks BPA ( that has been Gospel here for years btw) and we are cool with it. My sense is if there is an exceptional pass rusher available at 6, this year we make an exception and go for that player! That is how critical that position is for the Ravens. Everything we do flows off of the pass rush and last year proved it! My instincts tell me we go pass rush at 6, unless of course the top rushers are gone and Ramsey is available.

I highly doubt that ozzy would take a pass rusher that is rated number 6 on his board if there is a safety CB or OT rated higher than said pass rusher. It would be a huge mistake. Especially if Ramsey is on the board. It just wouldn't go down like that. There will be pass rushers available in other rounds but the way it is shaping up, it doesn't look like there will be a pass rusher available that would be worthy of the pick. Unless you like deforest buckner, The guy has all the physical traits to be a good player but his production in the ducks defense has been minimal. He would play DE (where we already have lawrence guy, brent urban and possibly canty) in our system which isn't a primary pass rush position (OLBs bring the most significant pressure) And you would be fooling yourself to think that this guy could play OLB. I do agree we need another pass rusher but to call the situation critical is a bit over blown. We do have Suggs Zsmith and Dumervillhe. I don't have faith in any of those corners that you mentioned. Shareece was serviceable at best, hopefully davis can recover from his injury and Tray Walker worries me. He didn't get any playing time this year and had recently claimed waiver wire pick ups play in front of him. As I said the only true starting caliber CB that we have is Jimmy. All of the other guys are question marks. But the bottom line is this OZ DOES NOT AND WILL NOT GO INTO THE DRAFT INTENT ON PICKING A PASS RUSHER IN THR FIRST ROUND. That just not how it works. There are just so many unforeseeable scenarios that could happen on draft day. We will take the highest rated pass rusher, CB, safety or OT.  Im not saying we won't take a pass rusher at 6. But the only way that we would do that, is if there are no CBs, Safetys, or OTs rated higher than said pass rusher.  Oz isn't going to reach for any player including pass rushers.  I also think there will be some pretty good pass rushers available in rounds 2 and 3.

Edited February 10, 2016 by billiejean

[Halshayeji]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i dont see us rebounding that quickly. our defense is so far in the hole, we are looking at the same situation the steelers were looking at 5 years ago, i dont think its quite as serious because we still have a young foundation that they were lacking when the "rebuild" began, and i think we can rebound in 2 years rather than 5, but for 2016 i think we may be looking at a 7-9 or 8-8 season

That's fair but I sure as hell hope your wrong.

[bioLarzen]

  3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  5 hours ago, The Greek said:

does anyone know if there is a way to delete the notifications? thanks in advance

What notifications do you mean?

the bell symbol at the top of the page in the community forum. it stores the resposes from our posts.

Oh, I see. I don't really go to the Forum page, that's why I didn't know.
When you click on the notification icon, there's the "Notification Settings" link in the top right corner of the popup window that comes up. Click on it, and - although there's no option to completely disable the notifications (at least I can't see one), you can at least turn off the beep for the notifications. Also, you can choose to receive one email per week instead of a notification for each new content posted - that's still not the solution you're probably looking for, but at least it reduces the nuisance to one email per week :)
If you really want to completely dsable the notifications in any form and frequency, you may want to post a question in the Feedback section of the Forum. If there's a way to do it, they'll let you know the know-how.

[bioLarzen]

  3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  5 hours ago, The Greek said:

does anyone know if there is a way to delete the notifications? thanks in advance

What notifications do you mean?

Heck I'm still looking for the easy log on screen. Now I have to jump around the web pages.

Let me know ASAP once you've figured it out, because I'd love to know that, too ;)

[Jim Giampaoli]

1964? Packers were leading 13-0 final 2 minutes 4th. quarter. Unitas threw a 48 yd. touchdown pass to Willie Richardson between the goalposts. We recovered the offside kick and Unitas hit Richardson same play same yardage between the goalposts. Lombardi went into a knee jerking spasm. We won 14-13. I will always love you, Willie. Rest in peace.

[Maryland]

I've read rumors (probably smoke) that Dallas and Jacksonville are both very high on Ramsey too. I wouldn't suggest falling in love too early.

[Saxxin]

The last time the ravens went 5-11 they made it to the AFC championship game the next year. This time they won't have a rookie QB. They'll have a SB MVP QB to take them all the way instead of fall short against a hated rival.

[The Greek]

  14 hours ago, The Greek said:

  15 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  16 hours ago, The Greek said:

does anyone know if there is a way to delete the notifications? thanks in advance

What notifications do you mean?

the bell symbol at the top of the page in the community forum. it stores the resposes from our posts.

Oh, I see. I don't really go to the Forum page, that's why I didn't know.
When you click on the notification icon, there's the "Notification Settings" link in the top right corner of the popup window that comes up. Click on it, and - although there's no option to completely disable the notifications (at least I can't see one), you can at least turn off the beep for the notifications. Also, you can choose to receive one email per week instead of a notification for each new content posted - that's still not the solution you're probably looking for, but at least it reduces the nuisance to one email per week :)
If you really want to completely dsable the notifications in any form and frequency, you may want to post a question in the Feedback section of the Forum. If there's a way to do it, they'll let you know the know-how.

thanks brotha!!

[The Greek]

if bosa ramsey tunsil buckner are gone by #6 do you all think ronnie stanley is deserving if osemele is not resigned or should we trade back and acquire more picks. to draft stanley that high the front office would have to see him as the long term LT. i have not heard much about him or done much research. would love to see ramsey fall to us

[J.O.14]

I've read rumors (probably smoke) that Dallas and Jacksonville are both very high on Ramsey too. I wouldn't suggest falling in love too early.

Unless something comes up with him off the field, I really think there is close to no chance he makes it to 6. What hurts us is that the QB class is weak this year, and there really aren't to many teams in front of us who need a QB besides the Browns and possibly Cowboys. If we want him, we would have to trade above Jacksonville. They would definitely take him.

[J.O.14]

  17 hours ago, billiejean said:

I would also argue that CB as priority number one. The only starter we have as of now is Jimmy Smith. So it would behoove us to take one that will be able to contribute right away. And those types of CBs are not going to be there in later rounds. Impact pass rushers are easier to find in later rounds than impact corners. But just because CB is our priority doesn't mean we have to take one in the first. Our first round pick is not set in stone. The players that are taken 1-5 will dictate who we take.

I think Shareece Wright proved more than serviceable at the end of last season. In fact, one could argue he was the best CB on our team. With Jimmy coming back healthy, Shareece Wright with a year in our system, having traded for Will Davis (who will also be healthy) and Tray Walker on board I really don't think we need to panic quite yet. Could we use a great young CB in the draft like a Ramsey, VH3, Alexander, etc.? Sure we could because there will never be enough good CBs on any team. Having said that however, conceding that Ozzie always picks BPA ( that has been Gospel here for years btw) and we are cool with it. My sense is if there is an exceptional pass rusher available at 6, this year we make an exception and go for that player! That is how critical that position is for the Ravens. Everything we do flows off of the pass rush and last year proved it! My instincts tell me we go pass rush at 6, unless of course the top rushers are gone and Ramsey is available.

Of course its to early to tell, but are there really any pass rushers outside of Bosa that warrant the number 6 pick? I think we could trade back a little and find a CB or Pass rusher in the teens somewhere. I really wouldn't mind the Spence guy....he dominated the Senior Bowl and has exceptional talent. If we trade back, we get more picks, and a player that can contribute right away.

[J.O.14]

  19 hours ago, billiejean said:

  19 hours ago, Raven_Don said:

  19 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Deepest RB class was definitely the 2008 Ravens when we ran heavy because Flacco was a rookie: Le'ron McClain, Willis McGahee, and Ray Rice. I loved that team. We were so physical on both sides of the football...We lost our physicality ever since the SB, and the retirement of Ray Lewis.

Our defense will not be good enough unless we address it heavily through the draft, FA, and underperforming players are willing to take pay cuts, which is unlikely. I think the Trestman offense is all about stats, and does little for the win column because we fail to control time of possession. I think we are somewhere around 8-8, but we get the easy NFC East which could propel us to 10-6, only to get bounced out of the playoffs quick.

I beg to differ I think the trio of Rice... McGahee... and Ricky Williams was a better trio... Just my opinion of course..

again we picked up Ricky Williams in 2011 because we let Mcgahee walk (he ended up in denver). Williams and Mcgahee never played together.

I think we were deepest in 08-09 when we had McGahee, McClain, and Rice! That was a scary backfield

McClain and McGahee against Dallas in 08 was a thing of beauty.

[billiejean]

I've read rumors (probably smoke) that Dallas and Jacksonville are both very high on Ramsey too. I wouldn't suggest falling in love too early.

yea iim hoping the Cowboys grow fond of one of these QBs

[billiejean]

  18 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

  21 hours ago, billiejean said:

  21 hours ago, Raven_Don said:

  21 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Deepest RB class was definitely the 2008 Ravens when we ran heavy because Flacco was a rookie: Le'ron McClain, Willis McGahee, and Ray Rice. I loved that team. We were so physical on both sides of the football...We lost our physicality ever since the SB, and the retirement of Ray Lewis.

Our defense will not be good enough unless we address it heavily through the draft, FA, and underperforming players are willing to take pay cuts, which is unlikely. I think the Trestman offense is all about stats, and does little for the win column because we fail to control time of possession. I think we are somewhere around 8-8, but we get the easy NFC East which could propel us to 10-6, only to get bounced out of the playoffs quick.

I beg to differ I think the trio of Rice... McGahee... and Ricky Williams was a better trio... Just my opinion of course..

again we picked up Ricky Williams in 2011 because we let Mcgahee walk (he ended up in denver). Williams and Mcgahee never played together.

I think we were deepest in 08-09 when we had McGahee, McClain, and Rice! That was a scary backfield

McClain and McGahee against Dallas in 08 was a thing of beauty.

joe flacco looked pretty sharp in that game too

[757RavensFan]

9 hours ago, Maryland said:

I've read rumors (probably smoke) that Dallas and Jacksonville are both very high on Ramsey too. I wouldn't suggest falling in love too early.

 

2 hours ago, J.O.14 said:

Unless something comes up with him off the field, I really think there is close to no chance he makes it to 6. What hurts us is that the QB class is weak this year, and there really aren't to many teams in front of us who need a QB besides the Browns and possibly Cowboys. If we want him, we would have to trade above Jacksonville. They would definitely take him.

 

32 minutes ago, billiejean said:

yea iim hoping the Cowboys grow fond of one of these QBs

 

Wentz's performance during the Sr. Bowl has "supposedly" moved him way up on the boards.  Some mock drafts have both Goff and Wentz being selected before the 6th pick.  That would really help us out.  But I still don't see the Jags passing on Ramsey.  I hope I'm wrong.