Noah Spence or Jaylon Smith

[rmw10]

It's all dependent on Jaylon Smith's weight for me, putting the injury aside and just comparing the 2 prospects.  If Jaylon comes in at 245 or so, then I'm all on board for him as a hybrid ILB/OLB type for us.  He can do everything.  He can rush the passer.  He can cover.  He can stop the run.  Now, in regards to a pass rusher, he may not be as pure of a pass rusher as most, but I don't see any reason why he couldn't play there.  The guy has insane athleticism.

Keep in mind also that he wouldn't necessarily be too small if he does come in at that weight.  Von Miller is wreaking havoc at pretty much the same size as Smith is rumored to be.  I'm not saying that Jaylon is Von, of course.  I'm just making a size comparison in that it is possible.  It's not for everyone at that size, but Jaylon is a special athlete which would lead me to believe he can handle the edge in a 3-4.

Edited February 11, 2016 by rmw10

[gabefergy]

IF the Ravens had Smith #1 overall pre-injury, which by the way I don't believe for a second that they would disclose info like that, it makes me think more and more that Myles Jack could be the pick at #6. Watch them play there isn't that much difference. Smith is a little bigger and Jack a little more athletic/fluid. They have very similar skill sets.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

It's all dependent on Jaylon Smith's weight for me, putting the injury aside and just comparing the 2 prospects.  If Jaylon comes in at 245 or so, then I'm all on board for him as a hybrid ILB/OLB type for us.  He can do everything.  He can rush the passer.  He can cover.  He can stop the run.  Now, in regards to a pass rusher, he may not be as pure of a pass rusher as most, but I don't see any reason why he couldn't play there.  The guy has insane athleticism.

Keep in mind also that he wouldn't necessarily be too small if he does come in at that weight.  Von Miller is wreaking havoc at pretty much the same size as Smith is rumored to be.  I'm not saying that Jaylon is Von, of course.  I'm just making a size comparison in that it is possible.  It's not for everyone at that size, but Jaylon is a special athlete which would lead me to believe he can handle the edge in a 3-4.

if smith weighs in at 245 and that can be his listed playing weight, then id be fully on board and would actually see him as a OLB for us. and this isnt me calling him a 3-4 edge rusher, but really lining up at OLB and handling all the duties while also pass rushing very well, there arent many 3-4OLBs doing that today, as a matter of fact von miller and khalil mack are the only ones that come to mind, i could absolutely see jaylon smith in the same role except he would be far better in coverage than both of them, although he isnt an edge rusher of their caliber either. 

 

it is interesting to say the least..

[gabefergy]

Personally, I have no interest in a undersized OLB who is a marginal pass-rusher. Play him inside where he makes the most impact. You can still have him rush the passer in blitz packages.

[RavensFanMania]

per Ian Rappaport - breaking news, Jalen Smith has nerve damage in  his knee and ankle.  This is devastating news and could keep Smith out of football beyond 2016 and possibly 2017.

[ellicottraven]

After the news of Jaylon's knee was announced, the title of this thread ought to change to "Noah Spence or Noah Spence"?

[allblackraven]

14 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

After the news of Jaylon's knee was announced, the title of this thread ought to change to "Noah Spence or Noah Spence"?

As far as I'm concerned all these choice threads should be renamed to "Noah Spence, no matter what"

[Dewy101]

5 hours ago, allblackraven said:

As far as I'm concerned all these choice threads should be renamed to "Noah Spence, no matter what"

Lol Vontae Mack no matter what haha

[JO_75]

5 hours ago, allblackraven said:

As far as I'm concerned all these choice threads should be renamed to "Noah Spence, no matter what"

With Jaylon's knee injury and this dropping him from the first round and possibly second. I would say "Noah Spence and Jaylon Smith no matter what".

Edited February 27, 2016 by JO_75

[Dewy101]

12 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

With Jaylon's knee injury and this dropping him from the first round and possibly second. I would say "Noah Spence and Jaylon Smith no matter what".

Well from the reports they're saying Jaylon Smith may need a redshirt year. Ozzie really hasn't been a guy to redshirt players. He expects them to make an impact year one. 

[JO_75]

6 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

Well from the reports they're saying Jaylon Smith may need a redshirt year. Ozzie really hasn't been a guy to redshirt players. He expects them to make an impact year one. 

True but how many times have we seen us draft guys that sit behind veterans we bring in? With Arthur Brown not panning out, and for as much talent Jack has, it might be worth a mid round or comp pick.

[Dewy101]

39 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

True but how many times have we seen us draft guys that sit behind veterans we bring in? With Arthur Brown not panning out, and for as much talent Jack has, it might be worth a mid round or comp pick.

I can agree with that but taking Jaylon in the second round is too high especially where we are picking. There are going to be a lot of impact players available. 

[Wildabeast88]

Reports are saying Smith has nerve damage in his knee and may never fully heal so not even in the 2nd and probably not even worth a gamble til the 5th or 6th at best if those reports are true but I guess more from the medical stuff will come out

[Mad Puppy]

Any possibility the nerve damage report on Jaylen Smith is solely based on an observation by a person not actualy doing medical exams on Jaylen Smith?
For example: This quote from PFT article (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/26/report-teams-think-jaylon-smith-will-miss-2016-season/)

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After watching a video that Smith posted online this week noting the lack of a brace for his ligament injuries, former Chargers team doctor David Chao pointed out that he was wearing a brace that indicated a nerve issue.

A strangely worded sentence there in my opinion. From here the article goes on to mention redshirt year and possibility of chronic issues as well?

I believe the 2016 redshirt year stuff, but 2017? Sounds like teams are trying to push him down the draft board. Either way he is looking like a second rounder more and more.

I would prefer the healthy player with Ecstasy issues Spence, over the recently Knee "destroyed" Smith even in the 2nd round.

[pitchblack_20]

10 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

Well from the reports they're saying Jaylon Smith may need a redshirt year. Ozzie really hasn't been a guy to redshirt players. He expects them to make an impact year one. 

Well it wouldn't totally be out of the picture, we just did it with Perriman. The question is does the FO think he can get back to his  pre injury form when he's fully healthy. I can't even start to imagine what's going on in the war room these days, but the way I see it, in a couple years he'll be well worth a second rounder. 

[RaineV1]

Just now, pitchblack_20 said:

Well it wouldn't totally be out of the picture, we just did it with Perriman. The question is does the FO think he can get back to his  pre injury form when he's fully healthy. I can't even start to imagine what's going on in the war room these days, but the way I see it, in a couple years he'll be well worth a second rounder. 

Perriman got injured after we drafted him. It's a bit different when the guy is going into the draft with an injury that could keep him out for a long time.

[pitchblack_20]

5 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Perriman got injured after we drafted him. It's a bit different when the guy is going into the draft with an injury that could keep him out for a long time.

With Perriman I was just saying that we've been through the process of having a high draft pick not perform immediately.The keyword with Smith  was could. Nobody really knows how long his recovery process will be. Honestly, I haven't studied him to comment enough, but I've seen reports that says he's Kuechly caliber. If so, I can't speak for anyone else but I'd be willing to wait a year for a player like that. IMO, MLB will be a need sooner than later.  

[Jaybirds]

9 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Perriman got injured after we drafted him. It's a bit different when the guy is going into the draft with an injury that could keep him out for a long time.

I agree.  For me this seems like drafting Pitta with his current hip situation.  We don't really know if it's ever going to be healthy.  But if he is, we've got something special. 

[Dewy101]

10 minutes ago, pitchblack_20 said:

With Perriman I was just saying that we've been through the process of having a high draft pick not perform immediately.The keyword with Smith  was could. Nobody really knows how long his recovery process will be. Honestly, I haven't studied him to comment enough, but I've seen reports that says he's Kuechly caliber. If so, I can't speak for anyone else but I'd be willing to wait a year for a player like that. IMO, MLB will be a need sooner than later.  

There is no timetable on his return (this is all rumors anyway). But if the rumors are true and Jaylon has nerve damage in his ankle and knee the recovery time is up in the air. He may come back in 2017 or he may be another Marcus Lattimore, a guy who never played a snap for the niners. It isn't worth drafting him high

[L.A.Ravens]

Got to go with Spence. Spence is strictly go after QB like Dumervil is. I hope he drops now to 15 if we do make the trade. 

[Mad Puppy]

I want to reiterate that this discussion could be moot.

In that the possibility of the Ravens trading down from 6 is low, and picking Spence at 6 is also Low, while picking Sith at 6 is a "never gonna happen".

I prefer the Ravens pick at 6 and get a bonafide star, If one of the two discussed here are available in Round 2 then consider it.