Noah Spence or Jaylon Smith

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

Noah Spence is pretty much the average size for a 3-4 OLB. Jaylon Smith is the one that would likely be a bit undersized for a a 3-4 OLB.

I should've been more descriptive... Noah Spence's length of arms are short. I'm not saying he can't have a big part in the NFL but that is hard especially first year or so learning to get around bigger blockers with shorter arms. Jaylon Smith is not an outside linebacker and will play inside linebacker in the NFL. His size is alright for a linebacker but most likely will bulk up to better protect against the run. 

[PurpleCity5]

54 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Might not be an apples to apples comparison here, at least right now.  If you asked me right now, I do like Spence more as a true edge rusher.  However, if Jaylon comes into the combine weighing what I've seen rumored (245-250), then I'd be hard pressed to go against him as he is my #1 player.  I think he'd play a bit of a different role than Spence though.  He'd be used in a much larger variety of roles.

I share the same proposition. If Smith checks out in weight and injury(injury in the sense that everything progresses as expected and there will be no long term setbacks) then I would go with him. If he doesn't check out both boxes, then I would have to take Spence. I have Smith at my No.3 right behind Tunsil and Ramsey honestly so I would definitely believe that he's the better player, however he does have questions. 

[ALPHA]

I don't think Spence is an elite prospect, he's got good agility, moves well in the open, bends well, but the burst looks average and he lacks power.

[January J]

Spence.

Now spence vs. Buckner Is a little more difficult to say.

[rudywasoffsides]

54 minutes ago, January J said:

Spence.

Now spence vs. Buckner Is a little more difficult to say.

I am starting to think Buckner will be the best player in this whole draft 3 years from now. I want him badly and he has potential to be an absolute monster in this league

[ALI624]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Spence.

Now spence vs. Buckner Is a little more difficult to say.

I say Spence, but I am warming up to Buckner. The pitfall I see with taking Buckner is that it is not a direct need, would he be an upgrade from Urban and Davis, yes, but the problem is our pass rushers are old and hurt so who is going to be getting to the QB on a consistent basis? That being said I wouldn't be totally disappointed with taking Buckner just not my first choice and will depend on who we get in the rest of the draft.

[Drew P]

6 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

Smith if the knee checks out, even if he misses a couple of weeks early.  I'm cool with leaving him at ILB, so I have less concerns about his ability to catch up.  Orr's contract is up, Smith is riding off into the sunset.  We could use the depth here as much as OLB or DE. 

If the knee scares us, then I'd still take Spence at #6.  I think he's got his act together, and we can put him to use right away. 

Even if Bosa and Buckner don't fall to us, personally I think we're still just fine at #6. 

No chance Jaylon sniffs the field in 2016

[rmw10]

8 minutes ago, Drew P said:

No chance Jaylon sniffs the field in 2016

Reports came out a couple of weeks ago that he's expected to be ready for the start of the season.

[gabefergy]

How about the other elite LB at #6? Myles Jack is a monster.

[PurpleCity5]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Reports came out a couple of weeks ago that he's expected to be ready for the start of the season.

I don't understand why people keep ignoring that. Not only that but the injury looked bad, it doesn't mean it is that bad. You have to leave it up for combine medical checks to assume he won't play in 2016. 

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, gabefergy said:

How about the other elite LB at #6? Myles Jack is a monster.

I have Jack outside of the top 6. I like him a lot but Smith just gets the nod because of his pass rush. I think he can also do what Jack does, play the run and excel in coverage. That said Jack is fantastic and for sure is an option here, I just like some other guys better. Spence is also the natural OLB you look for, we could really use that. 

[outkast1]

On 2/9/2016 at 4:59 PM, Somerset Ravens said:

If the Ravens trade with the Rams and we end up with the 15th pick in the first round, would you take Noah Spence or Jaylon Smith ?

Noah Spence will be at the top of the draft after the combine and the Ravens will miss at drafting him.I think he is even better than Joey Bosa !

[gabefergy]

Jack is superior in coverage, but I agree that Smith is a better pass-rusher. I think for an ILB I'll take the coverage chops although both are important. I don't believe that Smith is going to be ready to start the season which is the biggest reason why he's not an option at #6 imo. He would honestly be completely out of my consideration in the first round.

[ant2ney]

According to the draft breakdown podcast, the talk at the Senior bowl amongst personnel was that pre-injury, Jaylon Smith was the no. 1 rated player on Ravens board

[L.A.Ravens]

A analyst said Spence reminds him of a taller   elvis dumervi.  So I'll be happy with him. 

[ALPHA]

2 hours ago, ant2ney said:

According to the draft breakdown podcast, the talk at the Senior bowl amongst personnel was that pre-injury, Jaylon Smith was the no. 1 rated player on Ravens board

If true thats an interesting development, but where do they envision him? Theres talk about transitioning outside as a rush linebacker but I just dont see him in the trenches, hes too small, has a limited pass rush skillset and theres no way to know how an extra 30lb will affect him.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

A analyst said Spence reminds him of a taller   elvis dumervi.  So I'll be happy with him. 

That sounds like a bad analysis. Dumervil has great leverage and bullrush, he coils up and gets up under a blockers pads and drives them back. Spence takes the outside lane with speed and tries to keep the blockers disengaged. I think Anthony Barr is the best comparison personally

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

If true thats an interesting development, but where do they envision him? Theres talk about transitioning outside as a rush linebacker but I just dont see him in the trenches, hes too small, has a limited pass rush skillset and theres no way to know how an extra 30lb will affect him.

I don't see him as a true rush backer but I could certainly see him put on 20 lbs and play a much more diverse OLB role. Suggs wasn't always a real linebacker, so taking a TRUE linebacker with rush skills could be an interesting experiment. Letting him drop into coverage and stunt blitz much more often than suggs and still bringing solid speed rush from the edge. 

 

I also see jaylon Smith as an OLB for us but also a bit of an experiment. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with an experiment at 6th though

[trevorsteadman]

Honestly looking at film I would put Jaylon Smith #1 or #2. Him and Ramsey have my vote for most talent and production. Both I believe can step in and be defensive rookie of the year. Problem is yes Jaylon Smith is injured. But that may work out in the Ravens Organization's favor. Todd Gurley dropped due to injury and still was rookie of the year. Spence is a great talent but I do not see him as top 10 talent. I don't think anyone needs to worry about his injury affecting his play because players come back stronger every day from these injuries. He may not play the first 4-6 games but I am okay with that with Perriman returning. Inside linebacker is just as big of a need as outside linebacker in my opinion with Daryl Smith almost done. Smith and Mosley would be a great center of our defense. I do still think outside linebacker is a big need and will most likely be addressed in the draft or free agency, but just watching film on all these players for the first time a couple weeks ago the two players who stood out the most to me was Ramsey and Jaylon Smith. 

[jazz1988]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't see him as a true rush backer but I could certainly see him put on 20 lbs and play a much more diverse OLB role. Suggs wasn't always a real linebacker, so taking a TRUE linebacker with rush skills could be an interesting experiment. Letting him drop into coverage and stunt blitz much more often than suggs and still bringing solid speed rush from the edge. 

 

I also see jaylon Smith as an OLB for us but also a bit of an experiment. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with an experiment at 6th though

Well unless Harbaugh plans to get more involved with the defense and put his Jim Johnson knowledge  to use then Pees doesn't do that often or at all.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

Well unless Harbaugh plans to get more involved with the defense and put his Jim Johnson knowledge  to use then Pees doesn't do that often or at all.

well thats just not true..

[ALI624]

I definitely am worried about Smith's knee I know they are saying he will be ready for the start of the season, but you never know and the comparisons to Gurley are not right. Gurley was injured months before Smith and he still missed several games and we have seen what a knee injury can do to a number one pick, not saying he can't come back by the start of the season, but is it worth the risk and if we want to make him into an OLB then it will take time to adjust to a new position on a new team with new coaches in his ear and if we don't move him then he doesn't solve an immediate need which is coverage and pass rush.

[January J]

Just read the article on the home page- I'm kinda shocked that Kiper doesn't think that Spence or Buckner are distinct possibilities. He seems pretty set on us taking Stanley.

[Jaybirds]

10 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

I definitely am worried about Smith's knee I know they are saying he will be ready for the start of the season, but you never know and the comparisons to Gurley are not right. Gurley was injured months before Smith and he still missed several games and we have seen what a knee injury can do to a number one pick, not saying he can't come back by the start of the season, but is it worth the risk and if we want to make him into an OLB then it will take time to adjust to a new position on a new team with new coaches in his ear and if we don't move him then he doesn't solve an immediate need which is coverage and pass rush.

I think he has both coverage and rush skills.  But it may be a question of how we get use out of them.  We don't rush from the middle often, do we?  And obviously he can't cover AND rush on the same play.    So I'm saying the talent is there, and the fit is there, but it's not quite as simple as other options. 

[Jaybirds]

2 minutes ago, January J said:

Just read the article on the home page- I'm kinda shocked that Kiper doesn't think that Spence or Buckner are distinct possibilities. He seems pretty set on us taking Stanley.

I'll be honest:  I think ESPN gets lazy with us, especially at six.  We kinda sorta need a OT (maybe a lot, maybe not at all), and he probably didn't want Stanley to fall out of the top six.  So instead of doing any research Kiper just sorta crammed the two together.  There's been a number of ESPN mocks that weren't 'wrong" for us, but didn't seem well-researched. 

[ALI624]

5 minutes ago, January J said:

Just read the article on the home page- I'm kinda shocked that Kiper doesn't think that Spence or Buckner are distinct possibilities. He seems pretty set on us taking Stanley.

Kind of funny all 4 NFL.com writers have us taking 4 different players: Stanley(don't agree with), Ramsey(my choice), Bosa, and VH3.

[January J]

5 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

  I'll fan:  I think ESPN gets lazy Isntwit  h us, especially at six.  We kinda sorta need a OT (maybe a lot, maybe not at all), and he probably didn't want Stanley to fall out of the top six.  So instead of doing any research Kiper just sorta crammed the two together.  There's been a number of ESPN mocks that weren't 'wrong" for us, but didn't seem well-researched. 

Yeah i was kind of thinkin that too but kiper Has been known to be a pretty big baltimore Fan so i Would think he would have Done his homework. I mean these guys do this for a living you know? Anyway im Not sayin that stanley Isnt A real possibility But he made it sound like weve Got no shot at ramsey And that spence Or buckner aint Even on our radar.

[ALPHA]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't see him as a true rush backer but I could certainly see him put on 20 lbs and play a much more diverse OLB role. Suggs wasn't always a real linebacker, so taking a TRUE linebacker with rush skills could be an interesting experiment. Letting him drop into coverage and stunt blitz much more often than suggs and still bringing solid speed rush from the edge. 

 

I also see jaylon Smith as an OLB for us but also a bit of an experiment. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with an experiment at 6th though

The experient bit worries me because he isnt a true ILB either,  this report could be another indication that we changing back to a 4 man front.

[trevorsteadman]

This is why I would take Jaylon Smith over Noah Spence... NFL.com has Smith rated #9 in this draft but said if healthy he could go #1. They have Noah Spence rated at #31. I think Spence is good but you can get a pure pass rusher later in the draft. He has potential but I see more coming from Jaylon Smith. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624732/article/ranking-top-50-prospects-for-2016-nfl-draft

[JoeyFlex5]

36 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

The experient bit worries me because he isnt a true ILB either,  this report could be another indication that we changing back to a 4 man front.

As long as pees is DC I don't see it happening. He is a 3-4 guy through and through. Unless we are trying to phase him out for Frazier(fraze him out, heh)