Noah Spence or Jaylon Smith

[Somerset Ravens]

If the Ravens trade with the Rams and we end up with the 15th pick in the first round, would you take Noah Spence or Jaylon Smith ?

[ngatainmyhouse]

More than happy if either of them make it this far. I would prefer Jaylon Smith mostly because he is a nature born leader. He has an insane work ethic and is very well spoken. Definitely someone that will become the leader of the defense wherever he ends up. Then again it may be too early for input given there is still the combine and much more to be clarified with Jaylon's knee. If both of these guys were on the board that'd be one hell of a good problem to have

[Wildabeast88]

I would go Spence he's a nice pass rusher built like Suggs same height almost identical weight and was very impressive at he senior bowl against top talent. While at Ohio St he was considered tater than Bosa before his suspension dismissal from school. Smith is a good well rounded LB probably a better fit as a 4-3 LB and depending on his recovery may not be ready to play this year. Before his   Injury was probably a top 5 pick. I would go Spence all day

[Wildabeast88]

3 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

If the Ravens trade with the Rams and we end up with the 15th pick in the first round, would you take Noah Spence or Jaylon Smith ?

Also what are we getting their 2 2nds this year or a 1st next year plus a pick this year

Edited February 10, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[JoeyFlex5]

i gotta go with spence. i think hes a no brainer top 10 guy and i think he reformed his issues. jaylon smith has an uphill climb to come here, rehab, transition to the pros, and more than likely learn another position because we will probably try to convert him to 3-4OLB and get him to work on his edge rush. it sounds like too much to ask of him in his situation and i think we want immediate impact, not a player with any kind of physical risk tied to them, not after missing our first rounder and going 5-11 lol

[edthehead]

I would go with Spence, but I am coming back in the 1st and taking Smith

if we have 2 2nd's we can do it,

come on OZ,

( in my Cajun voice)

" you con du et ",

Edited February 10, 2016 by edthehead

[jboy19]

I have no idea where the idea of Jaylon Smith being an 3-4 OLB came from. He's never been an edge, I like him as a 3-4 ILB or any LB in a 4-3 and think he is the best off-line linebacker in the draft, but he has never really shown edge rush potential, he has had some sacks, but they've been from the interior. 

[RaineV1]

Smith would likely be an ILB for the Ravens. And we simply need a great OLB a lot more than an ILB, so I'd go with Spence.

[gabefergy]

Spence for sure. I like Jaylon, but I don't think he will be playing next season after his unfortunate injury. 

[DomMcRaven]

Not gonna lie, I thought this topic would've been Noah Spence vs. Deforest Buckner. 

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, DomMcRaven said:

Not gonna lie, I thought this topic would've been Noah Spence vs. Deforest Buckner. 

Spence wins again.

[52520Andrew]

Spence, hard to trust Smith without knowing anything on the injury. 

[thieverycorporation]

I'll go Jaylon. I'm not overly concerned with the knee situation. Early reports or rumor has it he could play this year and earlier then expected. It would formidable duo of Cj and he. Barring a free agent pick up I think the position is relatively thin. Even if sat a year, his talent is undeniable. This is a choice based response of course. I think its evident we need more speed to compete (bulk/technique) with eventual breakdown(s) in the rush dept. Tightends and running backs need to held in check. Jaylon reminds me of a Ray. I wouldn't be upset with either selection. Time will tell.

Edited February 10, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[balfan23]

35 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Not gonna lie, I thought this topic would've been Noah Spence vs. Deforest Buckner. 

Since the author of this thread stated the scenario of us dropping back to 15 in a trade to make this comparison, I'm going to guess he felt Buckner has little or no chance to fall to 15.

[JoeyFlex5]

Some Smith conversations around these parts have speculated on his ability to transition to olb. 

 

And it actually makes sense to consider it on a part time basis. He has a pass rushing skill set. I Don't agree with it but it has been discussed quite a bit.

[ellicottraven]

I'm not absolutely certain either of them may be available at 15. It is possible that 1 of the 2 may be available which makes the one left an easy choice. I truly think I would take one of VH3, Andrew Billings, AShawn Robertson, Jaylon Smith, Stanley or Noah Spence at that pick and be happy.

Edited February 10, 2016 by ellicottraven

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, DomMcRaven said:

Not gonna lie, I thought this topic would've been Noah Spence vs. Deforest Buckner. 

That is the hardest decision to make in potential picks at #6 by a mile, do we want a beast who can stuff the run and generate an interior pass rush? Or do we hope to land the successor to Sizzle? The combine will cement the top 10 for the most part so I guess we will see what happens. I hope that one of them, preferably Spence tanks so that we could get Buckner then trade back into the first to get Spence, I would absolutely drool over that scenario.

[RavensDieHard21]

11 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I'm not absolutely certain either of them may be available at 15. It is possible that 1 of the 2 may be available which makes the one left an easy choice. I truly think I would take one of VH3, Andrew Billings, AShawn Robertson, Jaylon Smith, Stanley or Noah Spence at that pick and be happy.

I love Billings, but I feel he would essentially be a Brandon Williams like fit on our defense. Could he play as a DE? He certainly is athletic enough I feel.

[ellicottraven]

6 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I love Billings, but I feel he would essentially be a Brandon Williams like fit on our defense. Could he play as a DE? He certainly is athletic enough I feel.

I believe he can be as or more destructive than Aaron Donald. He can penetrate and bull doze through O-linemen. Brutal strength, low center of gravity, etc. He lifted 2000 LBS( Squat, Bench and Dead lift)  in a state HS competition. He is surely stronger now... If you put Jernigan, Williams and Billings as the front 3, they'll make life hell for the QB especially with a healthy Suggs and Doom coming in from the edges. Pick your poison double teams will be our defensive motto! Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but that guy is stout and awesome. I like him a lot. And absolutely forget about running down the middle for opposing RBs. I don't care who it is, it will be tough sledding.

Edited February 10, 2016 by ellicottraven

[RavensDieHard21]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

I believe he can be as or more destructive than Aaron Donald. He can penetrate and bull doze through O-linemen. Brutal strength, low center of gravity, etc. He lifted 2000 LBS( Squat, Bench and Dead lift)  in a state HS competition. He is surely stronger now... If you put Jernigan, Williams and Billings as the front 3, they'll make life hell for the QB especially with a healthy Suggs and Doom coming in from the edges. Pick your poison double teams will be our defensive motto! Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but that guy is stout and awesome. I like him a lot.

So many great players to choose from early on and not enough picks to get them all lol I am so curious to know who will slide to us in the second or who does Ozzie like enough to move up for. I think there are a ton of guys like Billings, Floyd, and Ogbah that might tumble down to us similarly to how Jernigan did two years ago.

[ALPHA]

Jaylon Smith, he can play the run and pass and seems like a safer pick. 

[PurpleCity5]

I mocked Spence to us a while ago, but if you had to ask me today, I would go with Jaylon Smith. Aside from the fact that he can be a future 3-4 edge rusher for us, I look at his overall body of work, his work ethic and it makes me feel confident that he will absolutely become an amazing player. I also think he'll solve a lot of our problems. We've had a problem with slow, nonathletic linebackers who can't cover and Smith is the complete opposite of that. He reminds me of Clay Matthews coming out of college. Matthews is a guy who was a ILB converted OLB(or DE?) who didn't play much there but rather 10 games, pretty inexperinced but like Smith he was explosive off the line and had great up-field speed. He also carried a very strong work ethic, Matthews is a better finisher as a pass rusher but they both have pretty similar strengths and weaknesses. 

In his rookie year, I just see him doing all kinds of things. Playing a hybrid OLB/ILB where he either rushes the passer or drops back in coverage from the inside. We play a hybrid scheme so there are tons of formations that will aid his strengths. In his second year I see him making the transition to an OLB. I think his ceiling there is ridiculous high.

 

[Tru11]

cant go wrong with either TBH.

smith reminds of patrick willis.

he would make a great pair with mosley.

spence however could be the pass rusher we need.

i wont mind either.

[Maryland]

Jaylon is a risk. You have the ACL/MCL, which is actually a lesser concern in my eyes compared to learning a new position in the NFL (if you are drafting him really high, it's with the hope he can become a rush-LB). If he can't make the transition, he's going to be more of a coverage LB who is weaker vs runs straight-on. He should really play the 4-3 WILL if he's not going to develop as a rush LB, which means he could end up under-used in a Dean Pees defense. But I guess we could still use an ILB who is better at coverage, considering Mosley can handle the run better anyway (we just happen to need both positions that Jaylon could play, which is convenient I guess). 

I would still take Spence though. His burst excites me and he seems like he should fit well as a 3-4 rush LB. The character concerns don't bother me. Ecstasy isn't a drug you get addicted to; it's just something you take on occasion (no one gave Wes Welker flack for taking the same drug once later in his career). Spence handled the situation very poorly at OSU, but hopefully he has grown since then as a person. 

I guess I would accept either one at 15 since Jaylon seems like decent value there, but I would prefer Spence. Thinking this through makes me realize there are some decent players to be had if we do trade back. 

Edited February 10, 2016 by Maryland

[Jaybirds]

Smith if the knee checks out, even if he misses a couple of weeks early.  I'm cool with leaving him at ILB, so I have less concerns about his ability to catch up.  Orr's contract is up, Smith is riding off into the sunset.  We could use the depth here as much as OLB or DE. 

If the knee scares us, then I'd still take Spence at #6.  I think he's got his act together, and we can put him to use right away. 

Even if Bosa and Buckner don't fall to us, personally I think we're still just fine at #6. 

[trevorsteadman]

With how knees and legs being successfully surgically repaired, I would rather go with Jaylon Smith. He is the best linebacker in this draft and I still think he will go top 10 even with his injury. If Bosa, Tunsil, Buckner, and Ramsey are all gone by pick 6 I would want our card to say Jaylon Smith. I would rather risk a leg getting repaired over off the field issues especially when most players it seems like today come back even stronger after ligament tears. Even if he can't play until the 6th game, I think drafting a player of his caliber which I believe is part of the highest tier in this draft, it will benefit us in the long run. Plus I bet out of the two that Spence would drop to the second round before Jaylon Smith pending any set backs Smith has. Also I am afraid of Spence's size in the NFL. Jaylon Smith is a natural leader and he and Mosley side by side gets me excited. Plus it seems very high to draft a guy like Spence when people question his ability to protect against the run.. I think there are players down the draft board who can get to the passer, I am more concerned with an all around outside linebacker. Plus Jaylon Smith is more versatile.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

With how knees and legs being successfully surgically repaired, I would rather go with Jaylon Smith. He is the best linebacker in this draft and I still think he will go top 10 even with his injury. If Bosa, Tunsil, Buckner, and Ramsey are all gone by pick 6 I would want our card to say Jaylon Smith. I would rather risk a leg getting repaired over off the field issues especially when most players it seems like today come back even stronger after ligament tears. Even if he can't play until the 6th game, I think drafting a player of his caliber which I believe is part of the highest tier in this draft, it will benefit us in the long run. Plus I bet out of the two that Spence would drop to the second round before Jaylon Smith pending any set backs Smith has. Also I am afraid of Spence's size in the NFL. Jaylon Smith is a natural leader and he and Mosley side by side gets me excited. Plus it seems very high to draft a guy like Spence when people question his ability to protect against the run.. I think there are players down the draft board who can get to the passer, I am more concerned with an all around outside linebacker. Plus Jaylon Smith is more versatile.

Whats wrong with his size? He is basically the exact same size as Suggs. 

Edited February 10, 2016 by usmccharles

[RaineV1]

Noah Spence is pretty much the average size for a 3-4 OLB. Jaylon Smith is the one that would likely be a bit undersized for a a 3-4 OLB.

[Edgar]

Won't be surprised if Spence goes before we pick

[rmw10]

Might not be an apples to apples comparison here, at least right now.  If you asked me right now, I do like Spence more as a true edge rusher.  However, if Jaylon comes into the combine weighing what I've seen rumored (245-250), then I'd be hard pressed to go against him as he is my #1 player.  I think he'd play a bit of a different role than Spence though.  He'd be used in a much larger variety of roles.