Quick Mock, cuz you never have enough

[RavensFanMania]

On 2/9/2016 at 3:46 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

if this happens id trade in my flacco jersey for a cousins jersey

Don't even say that. 

[Mt. Crushmore]

1 hour ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Elliott 592 attempts 3961yards 6.7ave 43TDs 58rec 449yards 1TD interesting stat no sacks allowed in 105 blitz pickups  

Gurley 510 attempts 3285 yards 6.4 ave 36 TDs 65rec 615 yards 6TDs both in 30 games Elliott owned Alabama which is more impressive

Box score scouting is the worst type of scouting

[Inqui]

Just now, Mt. Crushmore said:

Box score scouting is the worst type of scouting

Second-worst, behind those highlight videos that no doubt have some hip-hop track as a background. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Second-worst, behind those highlight videos that no doubt have some hip-hop track as a background. 

and seizure-inducing strobe flashes and millisecond clips showing nothing but collision and jukes... AHEM HARRIS HIGHLIGHTS! used to be a good channel but he absolutely sold out. i hope justbombsproductions gets heavier into it because he shows entire plays with the player highlighted and everything, makes for a good first look at a player so you get a quick feel for him before you scout the finer points.

[Moderator 3]

10 hours ago, Inqui said:

Second-worst, behind those highlight videos that no doubt have some hip-hop track as a background. 

 

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

and seizure-inducing strobe flashes and millisecond clips showing nothing but collision and jukes... AHEM HARRIS HIGHLIGHTS! used to be a good channel but he absolutely sold out. i hope justbombsproductions gets heavier into it because he shows entire plays with the player highlighted and everything, makes for a good first look at a player so you get a quick feel for him before you scout the finer points.

Which is exactly why we mods hate those things and come down hard on the ones with NSFW lyrics.

[Inqui]

Just now, Moderator 3 said:

 

Which is exactly why we mods hate those things and come down hard on the ones with NSFW lyrics.

I was going to post a clip to prove my point, but the first video I found was muted because the uploader was in trouble for a copyright infringement, and in the second clip the artist rapped so fast I couldn't catch half the lyrics (and anyone who's heard me speak IRL will know that's saying something) so I decided not to take my chances.

Says it all really. And that's before you get into the actual problems with using those clips as a scouting tool.

[Moderator 3]

4 minutes ago, Inqui said:

I was going to post a clip to prove my point, but the first video I found was muted because the uploader was in trouble for a copyright infringement, and in the second clip the artist rapped so fast I couldn't catch half the lyrics (and anyone who's heard me speak IRL will know that's saying something) so I decided not to take my chances.

Says it all really. And that's before you get into the actual problems with using those clips as a scouting tool.

We even have a rule about it and a special warning for "inappropriate video".  The number one excuse when people get dinged for it: "Oh, really?  I had the volume muted."  

 

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[GrimCoconut]

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Edgar said:

I'd play him inside. He is a no brainier to me. If he's there, take him. I like he and Spence about the same but I have no questions about the impact Jack will have in this league.

 

I remember a few years ago the rhetoric being we shouldn't take Aaron Donald because of scheme. Heck, I remember reading the same about Jernigan.

Ah yes, my favorite excuse for someone typically having concerns about a prospect while lacking a legitimate reason for their disdain, thus using the scheme excuse. Not everyone does this but it happens a lot

[GrimCoconut]

15 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Honestly I think Spence is NFL ready almost identical size as Suggs and before his issues was seen as a better prospect than Bosa where as Floyd probably will need to add weight as to not get pushed around. I agree that 6 may be high but I prefer him to Floyd

I don't ever recall Spence being seen as superior to Bosa but I do recall top 10-20 hype. He certainly would've made Bosa better this year, imo..

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't ever recall Spence being seen as superior to Bosa but I do recall top 10-20 hype. He certainly would've made Bosa better this year, imo..

Or the opposite.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Or the opposite.

I think Bosa helping Spence is a pretty obvious statement, though. The main point is people seem to have soured on Bosa, and while I'm not his biggest fan I think that's a bit silly. He's still a great prospect and I'd be happy to have him. Pass rushers benefit from each other and teams simply triple-teamed & double-teamed Bosa this year when they couldn't do that in 2014. 

[Jacquouille]

48 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Bosa helping Spence is a pretty obvious statement, though. The main point is people seem to have soured on Bosa, and while I'm not his biggest fan I think that's a bit silly. He's still a great prospect and I'd be happy to have him. Pass rushers benefit from each other and teams simply triple-teamed & double-teamed Bosa this year when they couldn't do that in 2014. 

Well, when people realised that they could forget about having Bosa, it's only natural that they tried to replace him. I agree it's silly, but natural I guess.

[GrimCoconut]

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Well, when people realised that they could forget about having Bosa, it's only natural that they tried to replace him. I agree it's silly, but natural I guess.

Yeah, it's a natural and honestly understandable defense mechanism to deal with grief. I get it. I actually think Carl Nassib offers a lot of what Bosa does but he's far more unrefined and behind in practically every way. I just think they're both similar players. 

[Jacquouille]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah, it's a natural and honestly understandable defense mechanism to deal with grief. I get it. I actually think Carl Nassib offers a lot of what Bosa does but he's far more unrefined and behind in practically every way. I just think they're both similar players. 

Wow, didn't expect that comparison lol. Will have to dig in more on Nassib then, I had a "meh" feeling from what I saw in the few tapes I watched, but I guess I will have to do some extra homework.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Wow, didn't expect that comparison lol. Will have to dig in more on Nassib then, I had a "meh" feeling from what I saw in the few tapes I watched, but I guess I will have to do some extra homework.

I guess you could call it a comparison but I'm not calling Carl Nassib Joey Bosa unless I'm saying he's a homeless Bosa--as in a poor, poor man's Joey Bosa. Lol. They both just offer similar playing style and rush the passer in similar ways.

Nassib is just very far behind Bosa in terms of his development because he hasn't played as long. He's still pretty fresh to this. I like him a lot and he posted great numbers. I watched Penn State football quite a bit and he's one of the better his I saw. Certainly not the only guy on the team but he's got great potential. 

[Jacquouille]

14 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I guess you could call it a comparison but I'm not calling Carl Nassib Joey Bosa unless I'm saying he's a homeless Bosa--as in a poor, poor man's Joey Bosa. Lol. They both just offer similar playing style and rush the passer in similar ways.

Nassib is just very far behind Bosa in terms of his development because he hasn't played as long. He's still pretty fresh to this. I like him a lot and he posted great numbers. I watched Penn State football quite a bit and he's one of the better his I saw. Certainly not the only guy on the team but he's got great potential. 

Yeah, but he seems to be quite a bit of a "project", which is a banned word this year apparently. Maybe in the 4th round he'd deserve a close look but not before.

[GrimCoconut]

12 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah, but he seems to be quite a bit of a "project", which is a banned word this year apparently. Maybe in the 4th round he'd deserve a close look but not before.

I don't think he's just a project. He'd make an impact imo. He'd definitely work as an upgrade over Upshaw.

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Ah yes, my favorite excuse for someone typically having concerns about a prospect while lacking a legitimate reason for their disdain, thus using the scheme excuse. Not everyone does this but it happens a lot

It's a legitimate concern for NFL teams, though. Michael Bennett, the one I just got from Inqui in our game, dropped to the sixth round after being viewed as a second round prospect because 3-4 teams refused to draft him. They viewed him solely as a 4-3 3T. There are legit concerns about scheme fit.

[CalvinSmoke]

This is getting way too much flack. His 1st pick is different but not horrible. At least it's not that DT from ol miss. And the rest of his picks are awesome. And a great back is to be appreciated, it would make our team more balanced. An elite back makes the pass game better instantly. 

 

There's not only one way to do things. 

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It's a legitimate concern for NFL teams, though. Michael Bennett, the one I just got from Inqui in our game, dropped to the sixth round after being viewed as a second round prospect because 3-4 teams refused to draft him. They viewed him solely as a 4-3 3T. There are legit concerns about scheme fit.

Sometimes the concerns are legit. Of that I'll agree, but I don't think it happens nearly that much. 

[January J]

58 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

,This is getting way too much flack. His 1st pick is different but not horrible. At least it's not that DT from ol miss. And the rest of his picks are awesome. And a great back is to be appreciated, it would make our team more balanced. An elite back makes the pass game better instantly. 

 

There's not only one way to do things. 

yeah i get tired of seeing the Same thing over and over again.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On February 9, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Jacquouille said:

Problem with Eliott? Or is it the choice of a RB in the 1st?

That's terrible value at that spot, there are much better players still on the board at positions we have a need for, etc...

only getting a 2nd rounder to move back that many slots and ending up with arguably the worst selection of your 1st round projection (imo on the basis of value) would tick me off to no end.

It would be a huge waste of such a high pick, huge waste of trading back (terrible haul in terms of picks) and huge waste of the available talent... And a huge waste of our depth at RB.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

9 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't ever recall Spence being seen as superior to Bosa but I do recall top 10-20 hype. He certainly would've made Bosa better this year, imo..

This might be in response to an article.. Because I read scouting reports that quoted member(s) of the Ohio state coaching staff as saying that internally they viewed Spence as the better player early on in their college careers. 

[Raven'evermore]

 As I understand it, we were ranked 26th in rushing.  I'm beginning to agree with Jacq and think that if we can get decent value, trade down and get Elliot in maybe the 15th along with a LT like maybe Spriggs in the 2nd and maybe one more pick in the third or late second, then I'd be happy.  Believe me when I say that there are a lot of other players such as Alexander or VH3 that I'd prefer to trade down for or better yet keep the 6th and get someone like Bosa, Myles or Jack, but something should be done to rectify this if in fact we were actually that bad.  I think New England was ranked below us and as good as their offense was, they couldn't get past Denver's defense.  What if they had had a better running game?  We need either an elite type LT or a very good running back to take the pressure off the passing game as well as Joe.  Again, would rather have it differently.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, Raven'evermore said:

 As I understand it, we were ranked 26th in rushing.  I'm beginning to agree with Jacq and think that if we can get decent value, trade down and get Elliot in maybe the 15th along with a LT like maybe Spriggs in the 2nd and maybe one more pick in the third or late second, then I'd be happy.  Believe me when I say that there are a lot of other players such as Alexander or VH3 that I'd prefer to trade down for or better yet keep the 6th and get someone like Bosa, Myles or Jack, but something should be done to rectify this if in fact we were actually that bad.  I think New England was ranked below us and as good as their offense was, they couldn't get past Denver's defense.  What if they had had a better running game?  We need either an elite type LT or a very good running back to take the pressure off the passing game as well as Joe.  Again, would rather have it differently.

We also spent the entire season in shootout games thanks to our secondary and lack of pass rush. The biggest boost to our run game would be to be able to play with a lead.

[Raven'evermore]

 The secondary did much better in the latter part of the season and I think we were around 15th or 16th not sure in sacks.  What ever position we go in either offense or defense with the first pick, we're still going to be lacking in others no matter what we do, considering just how many holes we have, but that 26th ranking just seems to scream help to me.