Quick Mock, cuz you never have enough

[allblackraven]

13 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I wouldn't like to draft Spence with the 6th pick. With a trade back in the teens yes. But to me there's a lot of hype right now... I'm still sceptical, off field issues aside, he's not as talented as Miller like everyone make it seem. I'm really high on Floyd and would be ecstatic if we got him in the 2nd

There isn't a "h' of hype with Spence. He is the real deal, two seasons at college(s) are enough of the proof. His performance at Senior Bowl just cemented that. I'd be little anxious waiting for him at #6 if he does well at the combine.

You'd probably also miss on Floyd if you hope to get him in the second round.

[usmccharles]

23 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I 100% agree. But to me Ogbah and the other rushers after Bosa have a high bust factor. And we couldn't afford to draft another bust in the 1st. 

 

I agree, I like Ogbah but not that high.  But this is also of the notion of a difference of opinion.  I want myles jack at six (see my mock draft) because I think he does the most for us, pairing him and Mosely.  Im with you on wanting an elite talent at RB, ever since the Ray Rice days, but I think defense is more important.  remember giving up 2 14 point leads to NE? Offense wasn't our issue at all. 

[Jaybirds]

I admit I've tried the Ezekiel Elliott koolaid.  And it's really not that bad.  We already have our play maker receivers:  a healthy Perriman and a more experienced Maxx Williams.  A powerful Forte-esque running back would take a lot of pressure off our passing game, and indirectly help the defense by taking time off the clock.   Despite Trestman's history, and the trends in the NFl, we just seem built to be a running offense.  I don't think we get him, there should be other guys available.  But I won't be surprised if it happens, either.  I'd certainly prefer him over West or Taliaferro. 

We might not get a chance, though.  If anyone needs him it's Dallas.  The Giants are probably looking at him at 10, so he's not really a trade-back target.  I just don't think our draft will go that way. 

I will say I think he's more of a play maker than Treadwell.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Jaybirds

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Jaybirds said:

I admit I've tried the Ezekiel Elliott koolaid.  And it's really not that bad.  We already have our play maker receivers:  a healthy Perriman and a more experienced Maxx Williams.  A powerful Forte-esque running back would take a lot of pressure off our passing game, and indirectly help the defense by taking time off the clock.   Despite Trestman's history, and the trends in the NFl, we just seem built to be a running offense.  I don't think we get him, there should be other guys available.  But I won't be surprised if it happens, either.  I'd certainly prefer him over West or Taliaferro. 

We might not get a chance, though.  If anyone needs him it's Dallas.  The Giants are probably looking at him at 10, so he's not really a trade-back target.  I just don't think our draft will go that way. 

I will say I think he's more of a play maker than Treadwell.

I agree with basically everything you said.  I would love to have Elliot here, but if we draft him then we are out a pass rusher or a secondary player which is who we are most likely going to take with our first.  just not worth the value to what he can do for the team overall, to me. 

[Jaybirds]

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I agree with basically everything you said.  I would love to have Elliot here, but if we draft him then we are out a pass rusher or a secondary player which is who we are most likely going to take with our first.  just not worth the value to what he can do for the team overall, to me. 

I'm not sure "out" is the word I would use.  There are CBs in the 2nd round that I like, and a couple of pass rushers later than that.  But yeah, I'm guessing those positions are higher priority, and there will be guys there when Elliott is still on the board.  It doesn't seem like a likely route for us.  

There's a couple of guys like that for me this year:  I love their talent, I want to see what they could do here.  But it's clear they're not going to fall to us.  Best I can hope for is that they're bait for other teams so we get our guys.   Elliott is like that, Myles Jack, A'Shawn Robinson in a big way, Doctson, Loyd, it's a long list. 

Edited February 10, 2016 by Jaybirds

[usmccharles]

Just now, Jaybirds said:

I'm not sure "out" is the word I would use.  There are CBs in the 2nd round that I like, and a couple of pass rushers later than that.  But yeah, I'm guessing those positions are higher priority, and there will be guys there when Elliott is still on the board.  It doesn't seem like a likely route for us.  

Yea I just meant top talent wise.  We could easily get a "pass rusher" anywhere in the draft, just how effective they will be right away will depend a lot on their draft selection.  Also, im hoping we go defense in first two picks, if we could get a Spence/Jack with Fuller combo id be thrilled. 

[Jaybirds]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I just meant top talent wise.  We could easily get a "pass rusher" anywhere in the draft, just how effective they will be right away will depend a lot on their draft selection.  Also, im hoping we go defense in first two picks, if we could get a Spence/Jack with Fuller combo id be thrilled. 

Spence/Jack and then Fuller is exactly what I'm hoping for.  But.... I've seen a few mocks recently where Ramsey has made it to us at #6.  (usually two QBs go ahead of us, or Buckner and the OTs)     So it could work out DB and then pass rusher.  Nice problem to have.

[usmccharles]

21 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Spence/Jack and then Fuller is exactly what I'm hoping for.  But.... I've seen a few mocks recently where Ramsey has made it to us at #6.  (usually two QBs go ahead of us, or Buckner and the OTs)     So it could work out DB and then pass rusher.  Nice problem to have.

Nice to see someone else on the Jack wagon.  when I posted my mock with us taking him at 6 I was the only one really suggesting that.  I think him and Mosely together would be huge

[Jaybirds]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Nice to see someone else on the Jack wagon.  when I posted my mock with us taking him at 6 I was the only one really suggesting that.  I think him and Mosely together would be huge

Oh.  Well this is awkward. 

I meant Jaylon Smith.  I'm multi-tasking, and didn't read closely enough.  I'm sorry to let you down in your time of need. 

I do love Jack's game.  And I think Frazier probably does as well.  He's very much like Elliott for me:  I'm happy if we get him, but he's probably going to go somewhere else.   I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dallas or Jacksonville took him ahead of us.  Jack/Mosely though.... some dreams just weren't meant to be. 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Oh.  Well this is awkward. 

I meant Jaylon Smith.  I'm multi-tasking, and didn't read closely enough.  I'm sorry to let you down in your time of need. 

I do love Jack's game.  And I think Frazier probably does as well.  He's very much like Elliott for me:  I'm happy if we get him, but he's probably going to go somewhere else.   I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dallas or Jacksonville took him ahead of us.  Jack/Mosely though.... some dreams just weren't meant to be. 

there goes my hopes and dreams...

[Jaybirds]

Just now, usmccharles said:

there goes my hopes and dreams...

You're going to be okay.  I don't think there are support hotlines for mock drafts.  But we're all here if you need to someone to talk to.  Just don't give up hope.  Pees has to retire eventually. 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah but here's the thing. We badly need OLB and DB. That doesn't mean we have to draft one in the first if the talent isn't there. Hoping to get some direct impact from a pass rusher is not a good idea, just look at Beasley, Shane Ray, Dupree, Gregory... Spence is not a better prospect than Beasley to me.

We could go cb, but Hargreaves will have to prove himself in the  combine. The best CB for now is Alexander, and he won't solve the turnover question. 

That doesn't justify taking a rb 6th overall though lol. And also Spence and vh3 and even tread and Stanley hold more value at 6 than seek. Especially for this team

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Nice to see someone else on the Jack wagon.  when I posted my mock with us taking him at 6 I was the only one really suggesting that.  I think him and Mosely together would be huge

You made me curious, so I watched more of him. Rest assured, you'll never be alone on his wagon anymore. He blew me away like no prospect before him. We're talking about a guy that can play ILB, CB and OLB or even DE and be elite any way. He's a generational talent, no doubt.

 

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That doesn't justify taking a rb 6th overall though lol. And also Spence and vh3 and even tread and Stanley hold more value at 6 than seek. Especially for this team

(it was 9th, but nobody cares). The point was to bring a player that has an impact from day one and for the next ten years. There is no such pass rusher or CB available at 6. Of course, there might be better choices than Eliott, Treadwell for example, but seeing how much replies I got, I'm happy I put Eliott on the table hehe!

[rmw10]

Yeah I'd be angry with Elliott.  I like the player, but I'd be furious if we used our first high pick in a long time on a RB.  I don't view him as some generational talent.  Gurley was a "generational talent" last year and Fournette is likely to be considered one next year.  Le'Veon Bell, who I'd consider one of the best RBs in football right now, was picked in the second, along with a slew of other very talented backs.  I wouldn't mind having Elliott of course, but not when you have an opportunity at some of the elite talent that is available in the draft.  I'd have to be convinced that Elliott is far and away the best player available and I don't see any plausible way that's the case.

[Drew P]

WalterFootball.com Raven's mock (4 rounds):

Jaylen Ramsey-FSU

Will Fuller-ND

Bronson Kaufusi-BYU

Dadi Nicolas-VT

I'd be thrilled.

[January J]

Elliot in the 2nd? Maybe. In the first with a top ten pick? Absolutely not. The rest is fine.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

You made me curious, so I watched more of him. Rest assured, you'll never be alone on his wagon anymore. He blew me away like no prospect before him. We're talking about a guy that can play ILB, CB and OLB or even DE and be elite any way. He's a generational talent, no doubt.

 

(it was 9th, but nobody cares). The point was to bring a player that has an impact from day one and for the next ten years. There is no such pass rusher or CB available at 6. Of course, there might be better choices than Eliott, Treadwell for example, but seeing how much replies I got, I'm happy I put Eliott on the table hehe!

I'd argue that Spence or vh3 would be there and have the kind of impact youre referring to

[ALI624]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd argue that Spence or vh3 would be there and have the kind of impact youre referring to

He did have vh3 off the board in this scenario. 

[Stevin]

23 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Ravens: Ezekiel Eliott

2) Leonard Floyd

2) Darian Thompson

3) Sterling Shepard

4) Joe Dahl

4) Joe Schobert

4) Cyrus Jones

 

 

its just fantastic but not realistic ))

floyd , thompson , shepard , dahl , schobert , jones... cmn guys !  if we get this players , i don't care who we pick in 1st round)) eliott pretty good )

Edited February 10, 2016 by Stevin

[Edgar]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Nice to see someone else on the Jack wagon.  when I posted my mock with us taking him at 6 I was the only one really suggesting that.  I think him and Mosely together would be huge

You know what. The more I watch Jack I'm blown away. Consider me on the wagon. He might be the best player in the draft,period.

looks to be a can't miss. Absolutely incredible instincts,routinely covers slot receivers...just a huge talent in a draft where huge talents are rare.

[Jaybirds]

2 hours ago, Drew P said:

WalterFootball.com Raven's mock (4 rounds):

Jaylen Ramsey-FSU

Will Fuller-ND

Bronson Kaufusi-BYU

Dadi Nicolas-VT

I'd be thrilled.

I saw this, too.  Both the mocks they did this week had Ramsey falling to us at #6.  One had two QBs going in the top 5.  The other had Jacks and Buckner dropping Ramsey down.   I'd be shocked if it really happened, but it sure seems possible.  For a bad draft class, the top 5 is getting crowded. 

[Jaybirds]

3 minutes ago, Edgar said:

You know what. The more I watch Jack I'm blown away. Consider me on the wagon. He might be the best player in the draft,period.

looks to be a can't miss. Absolutely incredible instincts,routinely covers slot receivers...just a huge talent in a draft where huge talents are rare.

He doesn't seem like a good fit for us.  If we were a 4-3 defense (and we did just bring in Frazier, so who knows?) then I'd love him as a cover linebacker.  As it is I don't see enough pass rushing to make me think he's what we need.  He's sorta like Ramsey for me:  how do we make use of all that talent? 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Jaybirds said:

He doesn't seem like a good fit for us.  If we were a 4-3 defense (and we did just bring in Frazier, so who knows?) then I'd love him as a cover linebacker.  As it is I don't see enough pass rushing to make me think he's what we need.  He's sorta like Ramsey for me:  how do we make use of all that talent? 

I remember last year when Suh was a free agent and some of the teams people dismissed said he doesn't fit their scheme... Then some analyst said- if Suh can't fit in your scheme,  your most likely running the wrong scheme.  

 

Paraphrasing.  But I'm sure you get the point.  

[Jaybirds]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I remember last year when Suh was a free agent and some of the teams people dismissed said he doesn't fit their scheme... Then some analyst said- if Suh can't fit in your scheme,  your most likely running the wrong scheme.  

 

Paraphrasing.  But I'm sure you get the point.  

 I wonder what that guy's opinions are on RGIII.   Sure, there's a chicken-or-the-egg debate to be had about personnel and scheme.  But this franchise isn't the Browns anymore.  We don't have to throw everything out the window just because the cool college senior said "hi" to us. 

Edited February 10, 2016 by Jaybirds

[Edgar]

5 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

He doesn't seem like a good fit for us.  If we were a 4-3 defense (and we did just bring in Frazier, so who knows?) then I'd love him as a cover linebacker.  As it is I don't see enough pass rushing to make me think he's what we need.  He's sorta like Ramsey for me:  how do we make use of all that talent? 

I'd play him inside. He is a no brainier to me. If he's there, take him. I like he and Spence about the same but I have no questions about the impact Jack will have in this league.

 

I remember a few years ago the rhetoric being we shouldn't take Aaron Donald because of scheme. Heck, I remember reading the same about Jernigan.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Elliott is a very good prospect, but not on the level of Gurley. Even with that, RB may be the deepest position right now the Ravens roster with Forsett, Allen, West and Taliaferro. I wouldn't be surprised if no RB was drafted by Baltimore this year.

[Wildabeast88]

On February 10, 2016 at 3:56 AM, Jacquouille said:

I 100% agree. But to me Ogbah and the other rushers after Bosa have a high bust factor. And we couldn't afford to draft another bust in the 1st. 

 

I wouldn't like to draft Spence with the 6th pick. With a trade back in the teens yes. But to me there's a lot of hype right now... I'm still sceptical, off field issues aside, he's not as talented as Miller like everyone make it seem. I'm really high on Floyd and would be ecstatic if we got him in the 2nd

Honestly I think Spence is NFL ready almost identical size as Suggs and before his issues was seen as a better prospect than Bosa where as Floyd probably will need to add weight as to not get pushed around. I agree that 6 may be high but I prefer him to Floyd

[Wildabeast88]

On February 10, 2016 at 11:57 AM, rmw10 said:

Yeah I'd be angry with Elliott.  I like the player, but I'd be furious if we used our first high pick in a long time on a RB.  I don't view him as some generational talent.  Gurley was a "generational talent" last year and Fournette is likely to be considered one next year.  Le'Veon Bell, who I'd consider one of the best RBs in football right now, was picked in the second, along with a slew of other very talented backs.  I wouldn't mind having Elliott of course, but not when you have an opportunity at some of the elite talent that is available in the draft.  I'd have to be convinced that Elliott is far and away the best player available and I don't see any plausible way that's the case.

I have looked at numbers before in another thread and Elliott had better numbers than Gurley in every category and rushed for more yards in 1 game vs Alabama than Gurley did in 2or 3 games I have driven the Elliott bandwagon but for us it would be hard to draft him when pass rush is a huge need. Someone is see in Elliott is Eric Dickerson and tall big back with those moves and speed 

Edited February 11, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[Wildabeast88]

1 hour ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Elliott is a very good prospect, but not on the level of Gurley. Even with that, RB may be the deepest position right now the Ravens roster with Forsett, Allen, West and Taliaferro. I wouldn't be surprised if no RB was drafted by Baltimore this year.

Elliott 592 attempts 3961yards 6.7ave 43TDs 58rec 449yards 1TD interesting stat no sacks allowed in 105 blitz pickups  

Gurley 510 attempts 3285 yards 6.4 ave 36 TDs 65rec 615 yards 6TDs both in 30 games Elliott owned Alabama which is more impressive

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Elliott 592 attempts 3961yards 6.7ave 43TDs 58rec 449yards 1TD interesting stat no sacks allowed in 105 blitz pickups  

Gurley 510 attempts 3285 yards 6.4 ave 36 TDs 65rec 615 yards 6TDs both in 30 games Elliott owned Alabama which is more impressive

Melvin Gordon averaged 7.8 YPC in his college career, clearly these guys aren't on his level