Quick Mock, cuz you never have enough

[Jacquouille]

I'm lazy to explain each of the choices as of now so feel free to ask and I'll answer later.

Titans: Tunsil

Browns: Goff

Chargers: Bosa

Cowboys: Ramsey

Jags: Buckner

TRADE BACK with TB for their 2nd: Vernon Hargreaves

SF: Carson Wentz

Miami: Myles Jack

Ravens: Ezekiel Eliott

2) Leonard Floyd

2) Darian Thompson

3) Sterling Shepard

4) Joe Dahl

4) Joe Schobert

4) Cyrus Jones

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

if this happens id trade in my flacco jersey for a cousins jersey

[RAYvenFan20]

Hate the first pick but love the rest of the draft. Big Thompson fan

[Underdogsontop!]

Are you really a ravens fan? Lol

[Drew P]

At least it wasn't Derrick Henry

[Jacquouille]

Problem with Eliott? Or is it the choice of a RB in the 1st?

[Drew P]

9 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Problem with Eliott? Or is it the choice of a RB in the 1st?

I like the player but they OLB/DE and DB's

[JustinB]

12 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Problem with Eliott? Or is it the choice of a RB in the 1st?

He is a good back and I do like him but he is one not a big need and two would not be BPA at that spot either.

Edited February 9, 2016 by JustinB

[trevorsteadman]

10 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Problem with Eliott? Or is it the choice of a RB in the 1st?

I don't think any running back is worth the 6th pick especially when the Ravens have never really had a problem running the ball with anyone. Elliot will likely fall into the late 20's or 30's. Even Gurley went into the teens and a lot of people were very high on him and he was considered one of the best if not the best running back prospects in the last 7 or 8 years. I wouldn't mind a running back but definitely not with the 1st pick. I enjoy Walter Football's mock where we land Jalen Ramsey, Josh Doctson, and Scooby Wright. In that scenario I bet the Ravens start attempting to sign a veteran pass rusher.

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

if this happens id trade in my flacco jersey for a cousins jersey

Never mind Cousins, I'm getting RGIII's

[Jacquouille]

OK, I probably should have explained my choices after all. I agree this draft is a little original to say the least, but pretty much everything has been said about Treadwell, Buckner and co... So a little change sounded good. Gonna get bashed but no regrets!

 

I - According to some sources, Eliott is considered by scouts as a rare talent, on pair with Gurley's, minus the ACL. This might be bold but to me NYG will take him if he falls to them.

II - The last time Ozzie picked this high, he took a RB that carried the offense. We don't have that right now. The running game has been bad all season long, and that's because, as good as Allen and Forsett were, they can't carry it. Allen has a damn special talent as a double threat, but he averaged something like 3.9 yds/carry. That's not enough. Everyone kept saying we need a playmaker, Eliott is one of the biggest available to me.

III - As much a we need pass rushers and CB, it doesn't mean we must get one in the 1st round and for two reasons: 

1) There isn't any CB or OLB worth the 6th pick at this point. Ramsey and Bosa are the only two worth it and by my predictions they're gone. I'm still not sold on Spence at 6.

2) What we lacked at OLB was depth. If we had depth, Doom could have been used on 3rd downs only, and Z could have been put in a more confortable position. What we lacked in the secondary was a playmaking FS. Jimmy and Shareece were good in the second half of the year, they didn't give up the big plays that killed us in the first half. We just lacked turnovers, and that's because Lewis was a non factor and got only flags. Change him for Thompson and we're good, really.

 

[thieverycorporation]

Nope. Not interested. JK. But I don't think it's reasonable.

[Cillmatic]

After we draft a RB in the first round we should draft a GM in the second.

Edited February 9, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Wildabeast88]

I like Elliott a lot but I don't see him as a need. Forsett was good before he got hurt was on pace for over 1000 yards and I think Allen will be good. On another thread I argued that Elliott is as good or better than Gurley but I agree about going pass rusher or CB I we did go offense in the first I would hope Treadwell would be the guy even though I believe the 2nd round is good for a WR. I did love the rest of the draft there although if Spence is available I would take him over Floyd. 

[edthehead]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

After we draft a RB in the first round we should draft a GM in the second.

hahahaha

I read it and fell out laughing, too funny

 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

OK, I probably should have explained my choices after all. I agree this draft is a little original to say the least, but pretty much everything has been said about Treadwell, Buckner and co... So a little change sounded good. Gonna get bashed but no regrets!

 

I - According to some sources, Eliott is considered by scouts as a rare talent, on pair with Gurley's, minus the ACL. This might be bold but to me NYG will take him if he falls to them.

II - The last time Ozzie picked this high, he took a RB that carried the offense. We don't have that right now. The running game has been bad all season long, and that's because, as good as Allen and Forsett were, they can't carry it. Allen has a damn special talent as a double threat, but he averaged something like 3.9 yds/carry. That's not enough. Everyone kept saying we need a playmaker, Eliott is one of the biggest available to me.

III - As much a we need pass rushers and CB, it doesn't mean we must get one in the 1st round and for two reasons: 

1) There isn't any CB or OLB worth the 6th pick at this point. Ramsey and Bosa are the only two worth it and by my predictions they're gone. I'm still not sold on Spence at 6.

2) What we lacked at OLB was depth. If we had depth, Doom could have been used on 3rd downs only, and Z could have been put in a more confortable position. What we lacked in the secondary was a playmaking FS. Jimmy and Shareece were good in the second half of the year, they didn't give up the big plays that killed us in the first half. We just lacked turnovers, and that's because Lewis was a non factor and got only flags. Change him for Thompson and we're good, really.

 

while i can appreciate your strategic and historical approach... I - sources are always questionable unless you hear it straight from the commish at the podium that zeke is drafted top 10. II - its a different game, different league, and a VERY different team. III - spence at 6th is a far better value than zeke, even if spence busts and zeke is the next walter payton, looking at it now, a supreme athlete and extremely gifted edge rusher who actually has the tools to be a great 3 down OLB is a better choice than even an elite RB. and with a trade back? hell, if we land a trade back it comes down to vh3, alexander, spence, stanley, smith, or tread, elliott wont even be in the conversation unless we trade back to the 20s, and even then he has to likely compete with guys like corey coleman, and the potential fallers in alexander and smith still. 

 

if zeke is there in the 2nd, i think its a typical ozzie pick, but in the first round, there are too many things working against him to ever really consider him the pick, it would be an absolute shock to say the least.

[edthehead]

I see the logic in your pick, and I like him. but no

you have many GM's here so you have to explain and take their criticism.

watch this;

I would pick him because we are ok at the WR and TE, if you really look at it, instead of a WR what if we went RB,

not at this spot but trade back into the 24/26 and pick him up,

I forgot to mention,BP is my best friend and he told me he will play every game and catch every ball thrown his way,

what do you all think, lol   

[RavensDieHard21]

If we took Elliot at #6 or even at #31 in a trade back scenario, I will certainly end up screaming as loud as I can at BWW while watching this happen.

[ellicottraven]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

while i can appreciate your strategic and historical approach... I - sources are always questionable unless you hear it straight from the commish at the podium that zeke is drafted top 10. II - its a different game, different league, and a VERY different team. III - spence at 6th is a far better value than zeke, even if spence busts and zeke is the next walter payton, looking at it now, a supreme athlete and extremely gifted edge rusher who actually has the tools to be a great 3 down OLB is a better choice than even an elite RB. and with a trade back? hell, if we land a trade back it comes down to vh3, alexander, spence, stanley, smith, or tread, elliott wont even be in the conversation unless we trade back to the 20s, and even then he has to likely compete with guys like corey coleman, and the potential fallers in alexander and smith still. 

 

if zeke is there in the 2nd, i think its a typical ozzie pick, but in the first round, there are too many things working against him to ever really consider him the pick, it would be an absolute shock to say the least.

if this happens id trade in my flacco jersey for a cousins jersey

I've heard Ezekiel Elliot is a generational type talent and who is considered a better prospect than Gurley. So please don't trade your Flacco jersey! Not for Cousins man!! That is harsh but life will go on without you! lol

Here is a link about Ezekiel's talent... And come to think of it, as an AFC North team with great RBs on the competition, it might just be what Ozzie ends up doing!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2480958-meet-ezekiel-elliott-the-2016-nfl-drafts-top-rb-heading-into-next-season

[JoeyFlex5]

48 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I've heard Ezekiel Elliot is a generational type talent and who is considered a better prospect than Gurley. So please don't trade your Flacco jersey! Not for Cousins man!! That is harsh but life will go on without you! lol

Here is a link about Ezekiel's talent... And come to think of it, as an AFC North team with great RBs on the competition, it might just be what Ozzie ends up doing!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2480958-meet-ezekiel-elliott-the-2016-nfl-drafts-top-rb-heading-into-next-season

with our team, i dont care if hes got barry sanders elusiveness with APs power and emmitt smiths vision, i wont want a RB 6th overall lol. in todays NFL you just cant compete with the high end teams without a few key things, 1) pass rush 2) offensive line 3) corners and obviously a QB, if you have those 4 things you can be absolutely mediocre everywhere else and as long as you arent cellar dwelling in the run game then you will probably have a successful team, none of the top flight teams in the league have any kind of heavy investment in RB and the steelers and vikings are the only "successful" teams with an elite RB, and i do not use those quotation marks lightly lol

[PurpleCity5]

5 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

After we draft a RB in the first round we should draft a GM in the second.

I will admit, this is hilarious. 

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah man If we picked Elliot I would flip my TV(Not rlly). I would be heated. 

[ravenz2752]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

if this happens id trade in my flacco jersey for a cousins jersey

"I like that"

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

with our team, i dont care if hes got barry sanders elusiveness with APs power and emmitt smiths vision, i wont want a RB 6th overall lol. in todays NFL you just cant compete with the high end teams without a few key things, 1) pass rush 2) offensive line 3) corners and obviously a QB, if you have those 4 things you can be absolutely mediocre everywhere else and as long as you arent cellar dwelling in the run game then you will probably have a successful team, none of the top flight teams in the league have any kind of heavy investment in RB and the steelers and vikings are the only "successful" teams with an elite RB, and i do not use those quotation marks lightly lol

Yeah but here's the thing. We badly need OLB and DB. That doesn't mean we have to draft one in the first if the talent isn't there. Hoping to get some direct impact from a pass rusher is not a good idea, just look at Beasley, Shane Ray, Dupree, Gregory... Spence is not a better prospect than Beasley to me.

We could go cb, but Hargreaves will have to prove himself in the  combine. The best CB for now is Alexander, and he won't solve the turnover question. 

[allblackraven]

19 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah but here's the thing. We badly need OLB and DB. That doesn't mean we have to draft one in the first if the talent isn't there. Hoping to get some direct impact from a pass rusher is not a good idea, just look at Beasley, Shane Ray, Dupree, Gregory... Spence is not a better prospect than Beasley to me.

We could go cb, but Hargreaves will have to prove himself in the  combine. The best CB for now is Alexander, and he won't solve the turnover question. 

But... the talent at edge rusher position worth our #6 clearly is there, so I don't really see your point.

[usmccharles]

43 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah but here's the thing. We badly need OLB and DB. That doesn't mean we have to draft one in the first if the talent isn't there. Hoping to get some direct impact from a pass rusher is not a good idea, just look at Beasley, Shane Ray, Dupree, Gregory... Spence is not a better prospect than Beasley to me.

We could go cb, but Hargreaves will have to prove himself in the  combine. The best CB for now is Alexander, and he won't solve the turnover question. 

And just because they didn't dominate in their first means nothing, time to develop is needed for almost any position coming into the NFL.  Im all for a elite talent at rb, I have made numerous cases we need to find the next Ray Rice, he transformed this team and was dynamic, but the value isn't there when other RBs are being found way later.  We have far more pressing needs than a RB to be our first selection, unless Elliot can get to the QB. 

 

Also, a lot of RBs look dominant in college football, but its a completely different story in the NFL,

Edited February 10, 2016 by usmccharles

[Jacquouille]

16 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

But... the talent at edge rusher position worth our #6 clearly is there, so I don't really see your point.

That's where I disagree. To me, if Bosa is off the board, there's no Edge worth it. I'd consider Buckner if he was there but I'm good with Guy to rush from the DE position. 

 

14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

And just because they didn't dominate in their first means nothing, time to develop is needed for almost any position coming into the NFL.  Im all for a elite talent at rb, I have made numerous cases we need to find the next Ray Rice, he transformed this team and was dynamic, but the value isn't there when other RBs are being found way later.  We have far more pressing needs than a RB to be our first selection, unless Elliot can get to the QB. 

Yes, I agree. You need to give an OLB some time to developp. But in that case what's the problem with drafting one later and groom him like we've been doing with many before? Because he won't get you double digit sacks? Leonard Floyd will, given time.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Jacquouille

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

That's where I disagree. To me, if Bosa is off the board, there's no Edge worth it. I'd consider Buckner if he was there but I'm good with Guy to rush from the DE position. 

 

Yes, I agree. You need to give an OLB some time to developp. But in that case what's the problem with drafting one later and groom him like we've been doing with many before? Because he won't get you double digit sacks? Leonard Floyd will, given time.

I think our offense is in far better of a situation than our defense.  If we don't get a pass rush, the qb has all day to throw, hurting our secondary, and vice versa.  Im not the biggest fan of Buck Allen, as I don't see him as a game changer, but I for sure think he can get the job done in our offense.   So to take another RB would make our teams defense take another step back which we cant afford, obviously.  Drafting a pass rusher later isn't the same as getting a top guy, obviously, that's the point of a guy being a top 10, top 20, 1st round, etc....the later you take a guy the more risk you run of getting a bust. 

[allblackraven]

12 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

That's where I disagree. To me, if Bosa is off the board, there's no Edge worth it. I'd consider Buckner if he was there but I'm good with Guy to rush from the DE position. 

In Ravens D, ends just don't rush off the edge and are more focused on stopping the run. What we need is speed on the outside and someone to replace Suggs and the guy to do it is Spence. Not sure if you overlooked him or you don't rate him high enough for some reason.

[Jacquouille]

30 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think our offense is in far better of a situation than our defense.  If we don't get a pass rush, the qb has all day to throw, hurting our secondary, and vice versa.  Im not the biggest fan of Buck Allen, as I don't see him as a game changer, but I for sure think he can get the job done in our offense.   So to take another RB would make our teams defense take another step back which we cant afford, obviously.  Drafting a pass rusher later isn't the same as getting a top guy, obviously, that's the point of a guy being a top 10, top 20, 1st round, etc....the later you take a guy the more risk you run of getting a bust. 

I 100% agree. But to me Ogbah and the other rushers after Bosa have a high bust factor. And we couldn't afford to draft another bust in the 1st. 

 

20 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

 What we need is speed on the outside and someone to replace Suggs and the guy to do it is Spence. Not sure if you overlooked him or you don't rate him high enough for some reason.

I wouldn't like to draft Spence with the 6th pick. With a trade back in the teens yes. But to me there's a lot of hype right now... I'm still sceptical, off field issues aside, he's not as talented as Miller like everyone make it seem. I'm really high on Floyd and would be ecstatic if we got him in the 2nd