A Potential Free Agent Worth Chasing....

[RavensDieHard21]

It is of no surprise to any of us that Ozzie very rarely is active early on in free agency, simply because players get bid up and often are vastly over payed, plus it also hurts our draft compensation formula. But this year might be slightly different, for the reason that I think our formula will be off because in my eyes, only KO and potentially Upshaw will command enough money if they leaves to give us decent picks--most likely a 3rd and 5th rounders. 

The player that I believe might be more than worth a potential chase is CB Sean Smith from KC. On many top free agent lists, he's outside the top 20, and in some cases, the top 25. I am 100% behind doing anything possible to retain KO--I assume we will not let Tucker go--but if we don't re-sign him and other teams already have a mega deal set up for him before the new season starts, potentially +$35 million or more over a 4-5 year span, then I hope Ozzie would at least put a bid in for him if he hits the market and is without a deal immediately. He will be 29 this upcoming season, which is a little bit older than we would like, but that could be a factor in keeping his price affordable. He is 6'3 and a tough physical corner at the line with above average ability to cover and also above average balls skills. Pairing him with Jimmy would give us a lot of freedom to address the pass rush in the draft and other areas of need. I'd only expect him to get paid between $3-5 million a year, which I am basing this off his current value after 2015 stats. 

How do the rest of my fellow Ravens fans feel about this? 

[rmw10]

I'd think $3-5M a year is well below what he is going to get.  He was one of the top CBs in 2014.  Despite a bit of a down year in 2015, teams aren't going to let a potential #1 CB go for cheap on the open market.

[Jaybirds]

I found an article from the Dallas/Ft. Worth press that would be happy if the Cowboys and Smith "settled" on 3 years/$8 million.  So he may still be out of our price range.  It seems like it's all been (slowly) downhill for him since 2011, I'm not sure how I'd feel about a three year deal.  He's also not the ballhawk we want.  But I definitely like his size for the AFC North's receivers. 

[edthehead]

19 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I found an article from the Dallas/Ft. Worth press that would be happy if the Cowboys and Smith "settled" on 3 years/$8 million.  So he may still be out of our price range.  It seems like it's all been (slowly) downhill for him since 2011, I'm not sure how I'd feel about a three year deal.  He's also not the ballhawk we want.  But I definitely like his size for the AFC North's receivers. 

I agree to a certain point,

we have the coaches that can coach him up as far as talent, you can not coach size and speed.

I would give him a look if he is worth it then heck yes,

if the talent really isn't there and that or it is possible he is still on a decline then ,NO, no no no 

but I would give him a look, as long it's not costly 

[Jaybirds]

3 minutes ago, edthehead said:

I agree to a certain point,

we have the coaches that can coach him up as far as talent, you can not coach size and speed.

I would give him a look if he is worth it then heck yes,

if the talent really isn't there and that or it is possible he is still on a decline then ,NO, no no no 

but I would give him a look, as long it's not costly 

Sure, I don't mind giving him a look.  Compared to Davis or Walker he could be a big help next year.  I just don't think he'll be available at less than $8 million; I doubt he's an option at that price. 

[RavensDieHard21]

56 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'd think $3-5M a year is well below what he is going to get.  He was one of the top CBs in 2014.  Despite a bit of a down year in 2015, teams aren't going to let a potential #1 CB go for cheap on the open market.

I guess I am being a bit optimistic, but ya never know. I think if Carolina doesn't get a deal done with Norman that he will attract a lot of the spotlight. And with it being a what have you done for me lately league, his number MIGHT dip lol

[rmw10]

Just now, RavensDieHard21 said:

I guess I am being a bit optimistic, but ya never know. I think if Carolina doesn't get a deal done with Norman that he will attract a lot of the spotlight. And with it being a what have you done for me lately league, his number MIGHT dip lol

Norman is getting the tag if he doesn't get a deal.  He won't see the open market.

[RavensDieHard21]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Norman is getting the tag if he doesn't get a deal.  He won't see the open market.

You are most likely right about that. It will be interesting. I think that in a dream like scenario, Flacco signs an extension before Free Agency hits so that Ozzie actually can make a few moves if needed, but I don't think it will be likely.

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

You are most likely right about that. It will be interesting. I think that in a dream like scenario, Flacco signs an extension before Free Agency hits so that Ozzie actually can make a few moves if needed, but I don't think it will be likely.

If Pitta decides to retire, it could do the same thing.  I think there's a few ways where we could have money to spend.  But even then I think we're more likely to go after a pair of C+/B- guys rather than one B+/A-.  I feel that Weddle and Von Miller are right out.  Sean Smith could be on the bubble. 

I like that he hasn't missed a game except for the 3 he was suspended.  Of all the talents are DBs don't have, "health" is near the top. 

[edthehead]

16 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Sure, I don't mind giving him a look.  Compared to Davis or Walker he could be a big help next year.  I just don't think he'll be available at less than $8 million; I doubt he's an option at that price. 

my bad, treadmill and reading, did not read it correct

I thought 3 yrs 8 mil total, 8 mil a yr for 3 yrs, lol

I agree with you 100%

[Jaybirds]

2 minutes ago, edthehead said:

my bad, treadmill and reading, did not read it correct

I thought 3 yrs 8 mil total, 8 mil a yr for 3 yrs, lol

I agree with you 100%

Oh!!!  Yeah, at that price I'd start a petition and deliver it to his door. 

[thieverycorporation]

@RavensDieHard21. I said the same thing. He would be an immediate upgrade and is certainly plausible. For those who say he is on the decline, wheres the proof of that ? He would probably prefer to good to a possible contender as to getting overly paid and losing year after year. Not saying he won't seek top dollar but if came to say us and the Browns he'd pick us in that scenario. If he thinks long term and potential for another high/med range payday he'd think twice before just signing for that extra $500,000 per say. JMH

[Steve0x]

I like the see Adam Pacman Jones on the Ravens 

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

If Pitta decides to retire, it could do the same thing.  I think there's a few ways where we could have money to spend.  But even then I think we're more likely to go after a pair of C+/B- guys rather than one B+/A-.  I feel that Weddle and Von Miller are right out.  Sean Smith could be on the bubble. 

I like that he hasn't missed a game except for the 3 he was suspended.  Of all the talents are DBs don't have, "health" is near the top. 

Pitta retiring won't mean very much. A pre-June 1 retirement yields only $600K in cap savings, so basically irrelevant.

A post-June 1 would land between $4-5M in cap space, though you can't spend that until after June 1, so practically any "name" player would be off the market by then.

 

[rmcjacket23]

6 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

@RavensDieHard21. I said the same thing. He would be an immediate upgrade and is certainly plausible. For those who say he is on the decline, wheres the proof of that ? He would probably prefer to good to a possible contender as to getting overly paid and losing year after year. Not saying he won't seek top dollar but if came to say us and the Browns he'd pick us in that scenario. If he thinks long term and potential for another high/med range payday he'd think twice before just signing for that extra $500,000 per say. JMH

I mean, I guess, but then again, its hard to count the Ravens as a "contender" at this point, given you're picking in the top 10 of the draft. Compared to the Browns, sure I guess we are a contender. But there's also plenty of teams who are more likely to contend for a SB in 2016 than we are who not only could use a player like that but also will almost certainly have more cap space available.

[thieverycorporation]

What I mean by contender is a solid nucleus and top rated organization in terms of the league. We can all take stock of the past season but that would' be the true outlook going forward. I think we can all agree that we really don't know what to expect other then the past fast turn arounds. I think in the grand scheme of things we have a much better gauge on how things can be tweaked or revamped to suit the up and coming chance to reclaim the winning tradition here of late. I'm not going to second guess any choices that I think may be contributors. Unless they play a game and it's shown to be a bad fit. My opinion stands until then. Sean Smith would be a great addition to the Ravens. He doesn't have to be a savior but rather a key contributor to the brand and secondary. Besides who besides Webb will be there to teach any recruit the ropes? He may not even be here lol. 

[RavensDieHard21]

10 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

If Pitta decides to retire, it could do the same thing.  I think there's a few ways where we could have money to spend.  But even then I think we're more likely to go after a pair of C+/B- guys rather than one B+/A-.  I feel that Weddle and Von Miller are right out.  Sean Smith could be on the bubble. 

I like that he hasn't missed a game except for the 3 he was suspended.  Of all the talents are DBs don't have, "health" is near the top. 

Ya Pitta's decision would be great, I think if he retires, it would then free up 6 or 7 million, but I could be wrong. I just don't want to see him get hurt again and I don't want to see him not play and count against the cap either. Dead money was a part of the 2015 problem.

[RavensDieHard21]

9 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

@RavensDieHard21. I said the same thing. He would be an immediate upgrade and is certainly plausible. For those who say he is on the decline, wheres the proof of that ? He would probably prefer to good to a possible contender as to getting overly paid and losing year after year. Not saying he won't seek top dollar but if came to say us and the Browns he'd pick us in that scenario. If he thinks long term and potential for another high/med range payday he'd think twice before just signing for that extra $500,000 per say. JMH

He is just the kind of corner that we need to play aggressive football and rattle offenses. He is great at pressing WRs and does not immediately get lost once the receivers get past him--if they manage to. Him and Jimmy would make us breathe a lot easier come draft day if we decided to go pass rusher, LT and D line early on.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

What I mean by contender is a solid nucleus and top rated organization in terms of the league. We can all take stock of the past season but that would' be the true outlook going forward. I think we can all agree that we really don't know what to expect other then the past fast turn arounds. I think in the grand scheme of things we have a much better gauge on how things can be tweaked or revamped to suit the up and coming chance to reclaim the winning tradition here of late. I'm not going to second guess any choices that I think may be contributors. Unless they play a game and it's shown to be a bad fit. My opinion stands until then. Sean Smith would be a great addition to the Ravens. He doesn't have to be a savior but rather a key contributor to the brand and secondary. Besides who besides Webb will be there to teach any recruit the ropes? He may not even be here lol. 

Webby falling victim to a cap cleaning session by Ozzie kind of scares me lol I like him as a player and I think he is still solid when healthy, but if we decide we want an extra few million in our pockets then I truly will fear for us breaking the Giants 2015 passing yards allowed...lol most likely not though. 

[Pats]

Brandon browner despite his penalty flags would be a good buy if he comes at a decent price for a 1 year contract.

[Mt. Crushmore]

On February 9, 2016 at 9:50 AM, rmw10 said:

I'd think $3-5M a year is well below what he is going to get.  He was one of the top CBs in 2014.  Despite a bit of a down year in 2015, teams aren't going to let a potential #1 CB go for cheap on the open market.

I could honestly see him hitting the $10 million mark per season