Was the Super Bowl a wake up message to bring back Organized Chaos?

[RavensDieHard21]

I presume that we all watched the Super Bowl last night, which a clear message seemed to have been sent to the entire NFL, which is that elite defenses own the game and top offenses become irrelevant. I certainly believed that Carolina would have faired a lot better than what they did against the vaunted Denver D, but I also didn't think Carolina would terrorize the Denver offense as bad as it did either. It was as if offense didn't even matter in the game and even elite playmakers such as MVP Newton, Olsen, Ginn, D. Thomas, and Sanders.

With that being said, I never seen a game where defense was so much in control that it appeared both teams seemed more comfortable while their defenses were on the field than their offenses. I believe we must at all cost re-awaken organized chaos because we need to return to our old identity to bring back the Lombardy trophy. Many fans constantly clamor over drafting or signing big name offensive weapons, which I agree can help our team get better, but do they win championships? I think there are only a few transcendent talents worth the high praise that can win battles against elite defenses, such as Julio Jones, Antonio Brown--whom I hate to admit is the most uncontainable in the league, and Gronk. But two out of three of those players weren't even taken in the first two rounds. I am wondering if anyone else feels the same way, which is that we are only a few pieces away from a stifling defense again. The formula has always been the same, build up a stout line that can stonewall the run game, then add in pass rushers and good cover corners that can allow your defenders to shut down the passing game. I think we are equipped to shut down the run, but we are a few pieces away from improving our pass D. This year seems like the best time to recover our old glory as being a feared defensive team, which could be achieved by finding a shutdown corner opposite Jimmy and a young tandem of pass rushers to compliment and eventually take the torches from Sizzle and Doom. The draft is where this team is built and unless we land a shepard in the 3rd or Tunsil at #6, I wouldn't mind Ozzie taking defense with our first 4 or 5 picks to infuse more ferocity on defense. In free agency I think that Smith from KC would be a great fit and wouldn't break the bank either. Norman I think is as good as people are hyping him to be, but he will be outside of our price range. Having a franchise QB with some weapons I believe is all we need on offense and it must be Ozzie and John's #1 priority to regain our old form as a team, with a lot of bloated contracts and a cap issue I know this will be hard, but the draft can be our lottery if we pick up some gems.

[redrum52]

That wasn't organized chaos.  That was just a dominant defense.  There wasn't much scheming involved.  Just our guys can beat your guys.  All pro rushers and cbs, with pro bowl d lineman, surely help.  Hell of a year from Stewart as well.  They are athletic and top 5 of the fastest defenses in the league.

 

[gtalk12]

I don't think so, it isn't a secret....it's never been a secret actually. You need defense, this is why. Cam was nullified back there, he did not have enough time to get his WR's open.

 

Media does not like defense, they like offense. Manning, as horrible as he was this year won a Superbowl, DEFENSE.....when he was chucking up points like Curry they could not win....they made a commitment to run the ball as ugly as it was, cut some expensive guys on the offense and MADE a defense nobody could score on...

[ravensdfan]

2 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

I don't think so, it isn't a secret....it's never been a secret actually. You need defense, this is why. Cam was nullified back there, he did not have enough time to get his WR's open.

 

Media does not like defense, they like offense. Manning, as horrible as he was this year won a Superbowl, DEFENSE.....when he was chucking up points like Curry they could not win....they made a commitment to run the ball as ugly as it was, cut some expensive guys on the offense and MADE a defense nobody could score on...

His WRs were open and he overthrew them all night.

You need defense but, we have Pees so expecting a dominating defense at any point is like writing a letter to Santa and expecting an answer.0

Edited February 8, 2016 by ravensdfan

[RavensDieHard21]

33 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

That wasn't organized chaos.  That was just a dominant defense.  There wasn't much scheming involved.  Just our guys can beat your guys.  All pro rushers and cbs, with pro bowl d lineman, surely help.  Hell of a year from Stewart as well.  They are athletic and top 5 of the fastest defenses in the league.

 

Watching Stewart play his heart out made me wish that he was still here. Their scheme is obviously different, but their style of players is exactly what we are looking for.

[RavensDieHard21]

31 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

I don't think so, it isn't a secret....it's never been a secret actually. You need defense, this is why. Cam was nullified back there, he did not have enough time to get his WR's open.

 

Media does not like defense, they like offense. Manning, as horrible as he was this year won a Superbowl, DEFENSE.....when he was chucking up points like Curry they could not win....they made a commitment to run the ball as ugly as it was, cut some expensive guys on the offense and MADE a defense nobody could score on...

That is my point though, I know the media loves offense because it makes games exciting, but many fans still think we need "weapons", which I believe we need some talent on defense to compete with these other defensive juggernaut teams like the Broncos, Panthers, Seahawks, Cardinals, etc.

[757RavensFan]

34 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

His WRs were open and he overthrew them all night.

You need defense but, we have Pees so expecting a dominating defense at any point is like writing a letter to Santa and expecting an answer.0

There were more dropped passes by his WRs than overthrown balls by Cam. 

[RavensDieHard21]

35 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

His WRs were open and he overthrew them all night.

You need defense but, we have Pees so expecting a dominating defense at any point is like writing a letter to Santa and expecting an answer.0

Hahahaha best comment of the day. He is so blah, I always want to believe he is doing the best with what he has got, but he has never blown me away. He will call a good game then have two or three terrible ones where we get stomped. If any valuable coordinators are out there I say we get them snatched up if pees tanks the first 3 or 4 games, we need someone that has grit and ability to play to the strength of our players.

[Wildabeast88]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

That is my point though, I know the media loves offense because it makes games exciting, but many fans still think we need "weapons", which I believe we need some talent on defense to compete with these other defensive juggernaut teams like the Broncos, Panthers, Seahawks, Cardinals, etc.

If that's the D we want Pees needs to go he plays to loose off the WRs doesn't dial up any blitzes all those defenses are aggressive Pees plays bend don't break and we clamp down in the red zone. Any D coached by Pees will not be a defensive juggernaut period I don't care how many playmakers are back there Pees scheme sucks and leads to porous defenses 

[ravensdfan]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Hahahaha best comment of the day. He is so blah, I always want to believe he is doing the best with what he has got, but he has never blown me away. He will call a good game then have two or three terrible ones where we get stomped. If any valuable coordinators are out there I say we get them snatched up if pees tanks the first 3 or 4 games, we need someone that has grit and ability to play to the strength of our players.

Everyone keeps telling me I'm wrong - and I keep waiting for Pees to prove me wrong. I'd be happy if he did!

[ALPHA]

Every year people want to emulate the Super Bowl Champions with a gimmick or quick fix solution, the truth is theyre in the game because they have better talent.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Defense wins championships.   Anyone who thought we had no defense in 2012 is a fool.   We dominated every playoff team until the lights went off @superbowl.  Before than we were absolutely perfect.   

We need to build what we got and keep building.   

[Crabcakes&Football]

Yeah, accumulating the talent that Denver has on their D is tough work. 

[flynismo]

That was a very un-Flacco like performance by Cam. And as for bringing back organized chaos...we just need to harvest as much talent as possible this offseason, and that's what we'll be. No point in trying to force an identity for the sake of it.

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, Crabcakes&Football said:

Yeah, accumulating the talent that Denver has on their D is tough work. 

I just don't get how they stayed under the cap! I know that Miller, Trevathan and Robey are under rookie contracts still, but there are a lot of players getting paid on the team that came from free agency, such as Ware, Talib, Ward, etc. 

[AsianRice]

32 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I just don't get how they stayed under the cap! I know that Miller, Trevathan and Robey are under rookie contracts still, but there are a lot of players getting paid on the team that came from free agency, such as Ware, Talib, Ward, etc. 

yep elite defense don't build through contracts or FA; through the draft is the best and realistic way to do it......

We'll see how Denver draft this upcoming year and their defense won't be the same...however, with Wade Phillips he can do wonder....

[RavensDieHard21]

40 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

yep elite defense don't build through contracts or FA; through the draft is the best and realistic way to do it......

We'll see how Denver draft this upcoming year and their defense won't be the same...however, with Wade Phillips he can do wonder....

We need a new D coordinator, I just don't get what John sees in Pees....

[usmccharles]

7 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Defense wins championships.   Anyone who thought we had no defense in 2012 is a fool.   We dominated every playoff team until the lights went off @superbowl.  Before than we were absolutely perfect.   

We need to build what we got and keep building.   

We obviously had a defense during our Super Bowl run, but to say we dominated is a little bit of a exaggeration imo. Our D played good but it wasn't anything elite or anything. 

 

The amount of talent Denver has on D is absolutely insane.  Ware and Miller are the best two pass rusher duo, their D lineman are awesome, and their secondary is the best in the league.  If they want they will be able to basically keep everyone with Peyton retiring that frees up 19 million and if they cut Clady that's another 10 million.  Miller is about to get a massive contract.  I don't want to say its easy to coach a D like that because you still need good coaching, but it really does help to have that level of talent all over your defense. 

[Tru11]

49 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

We obviously had a defense during our Super Bowl run, but to say we dominated is a little bit of a exaggeration imo. Our D played good but it wasn't anything elite or anything. 

 

The amount of talent Denver has on D is absolutely insane.  Ware and Miller are the best two pass rusher duo, their D lineman are awesome, and their secondary is the best in the league.  If they want they will be able to basically keep everyone with Peyton retiring that frees up 19 million and if they cut Clady that's another 10 million.  Miller is about to get a massive contract.  I don't want to say its easy to coach a D like that because you still need good coaching, but it really does help to have that level of talent all over your defense. 

 

the defense did dominate the colts, broncos and pats though and did pretty much the same against the niners before the lights went out.

just look up the points they actually gave up , amount of turnovers and sacks they had.

 

 

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

 

the defense did dominate the colts, broncos and pats though and did pretty much the same against the niners before the lights went out.

just look up the points they actually gave up , amount of turnovers and sacks they had.

 

 

Oh no, I agree In a sense.  But our defense wasn't anything like Denver was this year.  Our defense as a group played good, for sure.  And we had Joe going off

[Winchester]

Broncos game was a shootout. It is a copycat league and speed rushers will be at a premium and justifiable. However do not forget the Broncos played subpar OLines. Bronco defense would not do that to KO,Jensen Urschel, Yanda and injury free Wagner who dominated last couple games when he was free of nagging injuries that plagued him as well as recovering from the big injury. Or better yet Tunsil KO Yanda Wagner. Most prolific offenses that get shut down by dominant defenses are usually fronting an average or subpar OLine.

[HoldingCall]

14 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

I don't think so, it isn't a secret....it's never been a secret actually. You need defense, this is why. Cam was nullified back there, he did not have enough time to get his WR's open.

 

Media does not like defense, they like offense. Manning, as horrible as he was this year won a Superbowl, DEFENSE.....when he was chucking up points like Curry they could not win....they made a commitment to run the ball as ugly as it was, cut some expensive guys on the offense and MADE a defense nobody could score on...

Denver learned from their loss to the Seahawks in their previous Super Bowl appearance.  

[HoldingCall]

4 hours ago, Winchester said:

Broncos game was a shootout. It is a copycat league and speed rushers will be at a premium and justifiable. However do not forget the Broncos played subpar OLines. Bronco defense would not do that to KO,Jensen Urschel, Yanda and injury free Wagner who dominated last couple games when he was free of nagging injuries that plagued him as well as recovering from the big injury. Or better yet Tunsil KO Yanda Wagner. Most prolific offenses that get shut down by dominant defenses are usually fronting an average or subpar OLine.

The best teams usually make it to the super Bowl. Panthers went 15-1 this season behind their OLine so I hope you are not calling them subpar. It only became subpar under the pressure of the super dominate DL and edge rushers of the Broncos. That said, we should expect the Panthers to attempt to strengthen that area further this off season. I actually believe the stage of the Super Bowl got to the Panthers and Cam nearly as much as the Denver defense.

Edited February 9, 2016 by HoldingCall

[jimmypowder]

12 hours ago, flynismo said:

That was a very un-Flacco like performance by Cam. And as for bringing back organized chaos...we just need to harvest as much talent as possible this offseason, and that's what we'll be. No point in trying to force an identity for the sake of it.

We do not have the talent for organized chaos right now. Aging Suggs,Doom Webb. Talentless Elam , Arrington ,Kendrick Lewis . Linebackers

that cannot cover . 

 

We will need lots of upgrades to be able to implement this type of scheme. 

[usmccharles]

18 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

We do not have the talent for organized chaos right now. Aging Suggs,Doom Webb. Talentless Elam , Arrington ,Kendrick Lewis . Linebackers

that cannot cover . 

 

We will need lots of upgrades to be able to implement this type of scheme. 

I don't think they are very schemed based, imo its more of just winning one on one battles and when you have top talented guys at every position, each play someone is going to get beat. 

Remember about a week ago when some fans on here were saying how stupid we are for letting Oher go, hilarious.  Cant remember who was posting such non-sense

[jimmypowder]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I don't think they are very schemed based, imo its more of just winning one on one battles and when you have top talented guys at every position, each play someone is going to get beat. 

Remember about a week ago when some fans on here were saying how stupid we are for letting Oher go, hilarious.  Cant remember who was posting such non-sense

Oher looked like Oneil Cousins!, the Matador!

[RavensDieHard21]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

Broncos game was a shootout. It is a copycat league and speed rushers will be at a premium and justifiable. However do not forget the Broncos played subpar OLines. Bronco defense would not do that to KO,Jensen Urschel, Yanda and injury free Wagner who dominated last couple games when he was free of nagging injuries that plagued him as well as recovering from the big injury. Or better yet Tunsil KO Yanda Wagner. Most prolific offenses that get shut down by dominant defenses are usually fronting an average or subpar OLine.

That is by far a long shot to have Tunsil slide to 6 and we take him after retaining KO, but boy, if we did, then I'd say we might have more talent than Dallas on the line. If only dreams came true lol

[FGSB]

Its the common saying about the game being won in the trenches. Denver bulldozed O Lines those last two games. Make QBs uncomfortable, give them no time to throw, they make mistakes. Plain and simple

[Halshayeji]

8 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

We do not have the talent for organized chaos right now. Aging Suggs,Doom Webb. Talentless Elam , Arrington ,Kendrick Lewis . Linebackers

that cannot cover . 

 

We will need lots of upgrades to be able to implement this type of scheme. 

Call me mr purple cool aid but here's my 3 cents.Doom is a pro bowler, has 70 sacks in his previous 5 seasons, and is a year younger than Ware. Suggs is still one of the best defenders in the NFL look at his PFF numbers and stats. He still demands a double team all game every game or hell just wreck a game. I admit we have no Von Miller, but heck 31 other teams don't.

 

Webb and Hill are better on paper than the Broncos safeties. I'd certainly give the Broncos the edge at CB Talib and Harris are both better than anyone we have. But J.Smith was not to far off for 2 years before he got hurt and I'm banking on him coming back. We need another solid corner across from him.

 

dline and MLB are two positions that we are actually deep and talented. Jernigan is a first round talent that's developing beautifully. B.williams is a pro bowler in my book. Mosley is a pro bowler and D.smith is not too shabby himself.

 

elam, Lewis, arrington, Brooks, z.smith, C.Davis are backups. And as a matter of fact they are really good backups but we can't have 21 players on IR again

 

Pees has 8 or 9 guys that could make it to a pro bowl or have already made it. This D on paper is not too far off being great. It just needs a few pieces and to click.

 

Very often, your D is as good as your weakest link. That's the problem. A lot of times especially early last season, our D looked like 3 units on the field instead of one. It has to click

[4everraven]

On February 8, 2016 at 2:21 PM, ravensdfan said:

His WRs were open and he overthrew them all night.

You need defense but, we have Pees so expecting a dominating defense at any point is like writing a letter to Santa and expecting an answer.0

Cam had some overthrows but it was dropped passes that killed Carolina's offense rhythm, especially Cotchery. If he has no drops Carolina gets more points early and the complexion of the game changes.

 Organized chaos won't happen with this Ravens defense. The personnel are just not there and Pees is there, case closed.

 Agree the draft should be defense oriented. If Bosa is there at 6, no brainer. If he isn't, take Spence. It doesn't matter he is projected later in the draft. Take him. It is what the defense needs. Also, don't be cute and trade back to a spot where you think you can still get him plus pick up an extra pick later on. That's fools play and risking what this defense needs, an impact pass rusher. Suggs sand Doom are both slowing way down. A young stud is needed.