2016 Forum Mock: Discussion Thread

[arnie_uk]

7 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

How is just looking at the base salary and seeing that harder than going off what a cap manager says?

With using it you can say your trading Larry Fitz for jimmy smith and Flacco and itl tell you your new cap space without you even having to think. It's a useful tool that going into next year we could actually think about bringing in roster bonuses etc

[arnie_uk]

2 hours ago, -Truth- said:

On a side note, I'd wholly disagree on Anthony considering how much he struggled in his rookie season, but I understand where you're coming from. That being said, this game is all about sincerity. If a member truly believes they're doing what's the in the best interest of their direction, then it's difficult to decide for them what they should and shouldn't do. I certainly agree on the importance of those players and the surprise of them being available.

Haven't been following this but we blocked sizzle from trading megatRon about 4 years ago. A precedent was set that day that we can step end a block ridiculously stupid moves.

[CalvinSmoke]

3 hours ago, Baltimore RAYvens said:

Was concerned after initial talks with Smoke about Brooks that he might make a legit offer I couldn't match. Happy he stayed here, wouldn't have known what to do with that extra cap space

lol What'd i do?

[52520Andrew]

4 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

With using it you can say your trading Larry Fitz for jimmy smith and Flacco and itl tell you your new cap space without you even having to think. It's a useful tool that going into next year we could actually think about bringing in roster bonuses etc

Grim pretty much summed it up for me earlier, once other moves are made by a team, it is something that will not be accurate. 

[ludy51]

Did the saints seriously cut Brees!?

[regz1997]

Just now, ludy51 said:

Did the saints seriously cut Brees!?

Cutting Brees carries 20 million dead money penalty. That's about 14% of the cap space gone. 

[ludy51]

7 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

Cutting Brees carries 20 million dead money penalty. That's about 14% of the cap space gone. 

And because he used the special designation on Jarius Byrd he can't use it on Brees to take away that dead cap

[arnie_uk]

53 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Grim pretty much summed it up for me earlier, once other moves are made by a team, it is something that will not be accurate. 

What do you mean? Does it not just show the net result of an individual move?

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, allblackraven said:

What I would like to question are some of the actual trades. Should anybody in this game be allowed to trade franchise LT, recent 1st round WR (very productive one) and recent 1st round LB (arguably the team's best defender) for late 1st, 2nd and 3rd? I would have thought any one of these players is roughly worth that price on his own, give or take.

To be honest, the only one I want is Anthony, who was definitely not their best defender.

[regz1997]

3 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

And because he used the special designation on Jarius Byrd he can't use it on Brees to take away that dead cap

Precisely. He saves 10 mil cap on Byrd but he's paying Brees 20 million to play elsewhere 

[regz1997]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

To be honest, the only one I want is Anthony, who was definitely not their best defender.

That is very debatable. It's between him and Cameron Jordan. 

[ludy51]

18 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

Precisely. He saves 10 mil cap on Byrd but he's paying Brees 20 million to play elsewhere 

Even after I wanted to trade for him

[52520Andrew]

9 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

What do you mean? Does it not just show the net result of an individual move?

That is exactly what the base salary does so I really see no reason to change if that is all it gives you. According to hawkprey it changes total salary and that stuff for you. I don't think that sort of stuff would round to 0.5 stars though and it could make it even more complicated to keep track of things. People are bad enough at math on this game as is(not trying to call anyone out, it is just a truth that has been true for years) so something that could complicate things further is not something I can support.

Grim's point was that if someone restructures their contract or gets cut then it could get messy because the numbers would be different.

[BmoreBird22]

16 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

That is very debatable. It's between him and Cameron Jordan. 

I'd argue Breaux was way up there. 

[-Truth-]

6 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

Haven't been following this but we blocked sizzle from trading megatRon about 4 years ago. A precedent was set that day that we can step end a block ridiculously stupid moves.

To be fair, that's an ancient example in relative terms. At that point, we were still holding public voting sessions. The trade itself wasn't the most egregious that we've ever seen. Tampa Bay offered to send two first rounders to Detroit and the biggest reason that it was vetoed was because we were going by a metal list of supposed untouchables, which wasn't a fan favorite decision. We've since all but done away with the concept. There were several eye-popping and mind-boggling trades that went down last season and none were close to being overturned. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the only trades we've vetoed over the course of the last few years involved a member trading down in the draft for literally no net gain. Everything else has been allowed to fly.

Edited February 17, 2016 by -Truth-

[-Truth-]

51 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd argue Breaux was way up there. 

I'd agree there. I'd have Breaux and Jordan at the top.

[52520Andrew]

Jordan is my top player as he has been good longer.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

7 hours ago, CalvinSmoke said:

lol What'd i do?

When you asked about trading for Brooks and then went silent when I asked about a tag and trade

[JO_75]

2 hours ago, ludy51 said:

Did the saints seriously cut Brees!?

New Owner or is the other just doing something to look active when he really isn't?

[regz1997]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd argue Breaux was way up there. 

So is Breaux worth a 4th rounder and a 5th rounder? When he was only a 500K cap hit?

[Archeearl92]

4 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

So is Breaux worth a 4th rounder and a 5th rounder? When he was only a 500K cap hit?

cap hit decides who the good players are now?

[regz1997]

6 minutes ago, Archeearl92 said:

cap hit decides who the good players are now?

Saints are in a pretty tight cap situation, so yes in a way, because they can use every quality player that comes at a low cost. Breaux definitely fits that description. 

[Archeearl92]

1 minute ago, regz1997 said:

Saints are in a pretty tight cap situation, so yes in a way, because they can use every quality player that comes at a low cost. Breaux definitely fits that description. 

in the saints case, a lot of trades dont make sense. and yes right, he should have gone for more, or better not at all as he is cheap and one of the best players they have.

[regz1997]

1 minute ago, Archeearl92 said:

in the saints case, a lot of trades dont make sense. and yes right, he should have gone for more, or better not at all as he is cheap and one of the best players they have.

Exactly my point

[Archeearl92]

1 minute ago, regz1997 said:

Exactly my point

my bad, thought you meant it differently.

[regz1997]

4 minutes ago, Archeearl92 said:

my bad, thought you meant it differently.

You're all good dude! We were just on different wavelengths...

[-Truth-]

4 minutes ago, Archeearl92 said:

my bad, thought you meant it differently.

Looks like I may have misunderstood the point as well.

[regz1997]

I was basically saying from the Saints perspective they don't benefit from the trade

[-Truth-]

2 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

I was basically saying from the Saints perspective they don't benefit from the trade

Sorry. I completely missed the point then, so please disregard my message above. Especially given the issues with Brandon Browner and the lack of depth at the position, trading away by far your best and cheapest corner is indeed a peculiar move.

[PaRAYdise]

16 hours ago, rmw10 said:

11 hours ago, PaRAYdise said:

If I were I would not have traded for Breaux as you definitely have seen that he had already agreed to a deal that has been postet of course he has not confirmed it.

But I guess that's just a character thing.

 

@LosT_in_TranSlatioN

I apologize for my rant toward you. Didn't know you were just another victim of Winchester and he tricked you before on other trades. I'm sorry.