Yall should be glad Ozzie got rid of Oher

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 

So, your entire argument is basically based on the fact that she didn't talk about the Broncos defense being good, as if that's not widely accepted? I'm sure she watched that game and went, "Gee, this defense is really something else. It's worse than what the Ravens had." 

I'm honestly amazed that you keep trying to keep this argument up because it's just looking worse and worse for you. I said I was done, but this is a whole new level of reaching for nothing. I'm rereading the thread and no where is anyone making any actual concrete statements or insinuations about the Broncos defense, at all. The comments are solely focused on Michael Oher and his play. But, I guess if your entire argument is based on one entire false idea, you'll keep grabbing at it no matter what. Grim never tried to spin it to say that he was good- just been saying the exact same thing: that no one said the defense was bad. Never did he try to spin it to say that the Mom Gene or anyone else said they were good.

I mean, I don't feel the need to trash the guy, but he's flat out one of the worst blockers in the league. Please, explain to me how he regresses in his time in Baltimore, gets cut after one year in Tennessee, and is one of the worst run blockers in Carolina, but is somehow some great pass blocker? Trust me, it wasn't just one game that showed this issue. 

But hey, continue to fill your agenda and not watch other team's games.

Oh, and here's one fatal flaw to your argument about people being salty Oher made it to the Super Bowl- No one, that I've seen, is ripping Ed Dickson, or even Dwan Edwards for that matter. This entire argument is bad.

what argument.

Its a fact Oher played in his 2nd SB.

Thats all i said at first so no argument there.

Mom then decided to point to his performance which everyone could see was bad and i sarcastically pointed out to her that the guy did not play against scrubs which again is a fact cause that broncos defense is the best in the league or at least in discussion for those who dont think so.

There is a direct link between his performance and the talent he faced.....
He is an avg tackle and going against the best defense will lead to this performance.
No  argument there unless you guys expected him to play like JO orso.
I did not expect this nor did i express that i did but if you think i did you are free to provide proof.

I also then in light of this thread pointed out that at least he played and thus contributed to his team making the SB which also is a fact.
I did not at any point talk about his  performance during the season when he played but you are free to proof that i did since for some reason you guys think i said he was a good T orso.

So exactly what argument am i having and do you have any  proof that has been my argument?

Its my personal opinion that all these Oher bashers are just a bunch of salty people who cant accept that the guy got to play in another SB before we did.
If that makes me a fool for having that opinion then so be it.

Neg away like i care lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BmoreBird22]

9 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

what argument.

So exactly what argument am i having and do you have any  proof that has been my argument?

You're entire argument is based on two things, from what I've seen...

1. You've repeatedly said there is no reason for the Oher bashing, even though you clearly acknowledge he played a terrible game. Whether or not it was due to a great defense for one game is not the argument. The author may have been focused on Oher's porous showing in the Super Bowl, but Grim and I had completely gone further and pretty much acknowledged it was his entire career, to which you quoted those posts. Don't get hung up on game, especially if you're going to say he was a major contributor in that team getting to the Super Bowl. You have to take the season into account at that point.

He was bad all season long. Horrendous in run blocking and only helped in pass blocking by a running quarterback. (Oh, and you might find this interesting since you called out Carolina's receivers- They're top three receivers, Brown, Ginn Jr, Olsen, graded out as having the best aggregate score by PFF and all receivers considered graded out with an aggregate score that placed them top four. All grades independent of quarterback play.) So, yeah, there is reason for "Oher bashing". He is the consummate team player in that he never complains and does everything asked of him, but he is a bad tackle. It's as simple as that.

2. The argument that people are salty he made the Super Bowl is, again, a very weak and dumb one. No one has said a word about Ed Dickson getting back there. Maybe a few people, but especially for this thread, people are not talking about Dickson. This thread could have been, "Aren't y'all glad Ozzie got rid of Oher AND Dickson?" However, it's solely focusing on Oher. It doesn't have a single mention of Dickson, or even Dwan Edwards, two former Ravens. So, where exactly are you getting this idea that people are salty?

Maybe consider the fact that it's the offseason, the combine isn't here and free agency won't start for another month and a half. It is purely a thread to acknowledge that Ozzie probably made the right move in allowing Oher to move on and not pay him a lot of money to be the "longterm" left tackle option.

[usmccharles]

I wasn't aware that anyone wanted to resign Oher....

[Tru11]

16 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

You're entire argument is based on two things, from what I've seen...

1. You've repeatedly said there is no reason for the Oher bashing, even though you clearly acknowledge he played a terrible game. Whether or not it was due to a great defense for one game is not the argument. The author may have been focused on Oher's porous showing in the Super Bowl, but Grim and I had completely gone further and pretty much acknowledged it was his entire career, to which you quoted those posts. Don't get hung up on game, especially if you're going to say he was a major contributor in that team getting to the Super Bowl. You have to take the season into account at that point.

He was bad all season long. Horrendous in run blocking and only helped in pass blocking by a running quarterback. (Oh, and you might find this interesting since you called out Carolina's receivers- They're top three receivers, Brown, Ginn Jr, Olsen, graded out as having the best aggregate score by PFF and all receivers considered graded out with an aggregate score that placed them top four. All grades independent of quarterback play.) So, yeah, there is reason for "Oher bashing". He is the consummate team player in that he never complains and does everything asked of him, but he is a bad tackle. It's as simple as that.

2. The argument that people are salty he made the Super Bowl is, again, a very weak and dumb one. No one has said a word about Ed Dickson getting back there. Maybe a few people, but especially for this thread, people are not talking about Dickson. This thread could have been, "Aren't y'all glad Ozzie got rid of Oher AND Dickson?" However, it's solely focusing on Oher. It doesn't have a single mention of Dickson, or even Dwan Edwards, two former Ravens. So, where exactly are you getting this idea that people are salty?

Maybe consider the fact that it's the offseason, the combine isn't here and free agency won't start for another month and a half. It is purely a thread to acknowledge that Ozzie probably made the right move in allowing Oher to move on and not pay him a lot of money to be the "longterm" left tackle option.

proof i said anything in regards to point 1.

all this performance crap has nothing to do with anything i said so stop saying stuff to proof a point to again something i never said.

i said at least he played in the SB at first and at least he played and contributed to helping his team get there.

Both are fact since he did play in the SB and he did play all games this season.
Not once did i suggest he played like an all pro orso.

point 2 is very simple.
look at grim first reply to me.
the fact that he acknowledged that people disliked oher for years here and the fact that people once again find the need to single him out even though the entire panthers offense played like crap is what IMO makes them look salty.

its my opinion of those people whether you agree with it or not.

also for a real argument sake:

do you really think we got the better end of the deal by resigning monroe and letting oher walk?

monroe is a better T then oher for sure but what good is that when he barely plays especially consider the price tag he carriers.
He carried a 7.7 mil cap hit last season and will carry 8.7 mil this season and rumors had it he was not willing  to restructure to bring it down.

you are telling me monroe was worth the 7.7 mil cap hit for the 6 games he played of which he barely played all 6 of them from start to finish compared to oher who had a 2,5 mil cap hit and played all 19 games this season.

unless monroe comes out the next 2 seasons and play at a pro bowl level , i find it really hard to say that ozzie made the right call TBH.
 

 

 

[BmoreBird22]

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 8:35 PM, GrimCoconut said:

7 hours ago, Tru11 said:

proof i said anything in regards to point 1.

all this performance crap has nothing to do with anything i said so stop saying stuff to proof a point to again something i never said.

i said at least he played in the SB at first and at least he played and contributed to helping his team get there.

Both are fact since he did play in the SB and he did play all games this season.
Not once did i suggest he played like an all pro orso.

point 2 is very simple.
look at grim first reply to me.
the fact that he acknowledged that people disliked oher for years here and the fact that people once again find the need to single him out even though the entire panthers offense played like crap is what IMO makes them look salty.

its my opinion of those people whether you agree with it or not.

also for a real argument sake:

do you really think we got the better end of the deal by resigning monroe and letting oher walk?

monroe is a better T then oher for sure but what good is that when he barely plays especially consider the price tag he carriers.
He carried a 7.7 mil cap hit last season and will carry 8.7 mil this season and rumors had it he was not willing  to restructure to bring it down.

you are telling me monroe was worth the 7.7 mil cap hit for the 6 games he played of which he barely played all 6 of them from start to finish compared to oher who had a 2,5 mil cap hit and played all 19 games this season.

unless monroe comes out the next 2 seasons and play at a pro bowl level , i find it really hard to say that ozzie made the right call TBH.

So, mobile quoting is severely messed up. I can't actually get rid of Grim's quote, but this is from BmoreBird22.

With regards to point one, three separate times you made comments about how it's classless to single out Oher, you don't know why Oher is singled out, you don't understand the Oher bashing. You can go read the last page for that. It's very clearly in there.

And if you make a statement like, "He contributed to his team making the Super Bowl," yes, you are going to be talking about his performance. How you think the two can be independent is beyond me since you know, he has to play to play to actually contribute. And the team can absolutely make it despite Oher's play. The Panthers made it to the playoffs with Byron Bell at LT, so it's not really saying much to say he was on the Super Bowl team.

I'm not debating Monroe. This debate is whether or not it was smart to let Oher walk and I say yes. Whether or not it was addressed properly after is a different debate that has nothing to do with this particular debate.

[GrimCoconut]

@Tru11

I actually wanted the Panthers to beat Denver. You can ask practically anyone who knows me here and they'll confirm that. You can even search the forum because there's plenty of posts in this forum where I'm asking for a Panthers win. I'm not at all salty about Oher because I'd need to care he left in the first place to be salty. I was never a big fan of his but I always (and still do) value his durability but I didn't want him back. I could care less he made or won another Super Bowl. I am salty Kubiak won. That's something I will admit.

I feel this thread is a result of comments in RavensTalk regarding how the Ravens, and Ozzie in particular, messed up letting Oher walk. I think that's completely wrong because Newton helped make Oher look good, who fits very well with how Newton plays so he's a complement to Newton. 

Anyway, I feel like you're just totally off base here in your premise. If it's true I'll admit it, but you frankly look either ignorant or like a contrarian who's reaching to satisfy his premise. Either way I think you're entirely wrong. Or perhaps I'm wrong and I don't recognize your premise, which seems to be that you think we [Ravens fans]  are just jealous or "salty" Oher had some success in Carolina and we're stuck with a guy who has been hurt two years now and we're not giving credit to Oher playing the best defense in 2015 football. 

Edited February 11, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[52520Andrew]

Yeah I don't think even the Panthers right now would give Oher the deal he got from Tennessee. And considering we got Urschel out of Oher going to Tennessee, I am more than happy with how things have gone for us with Oher walking. Sure Monroe has struggled staying healthy but Oher was not the answer at LT either for us and Wagner has done well himself at RT where Oher more than likely would have played. If there is a FA signing I am salty about from the past year, it is Stewart suddenly playing a lot better than he did last year in Denver.

[757RavensFan]

Ironically, Cam Newton himself text Oher routinely telling him that he "needed" him to come to Carolina and be his left tackle.  

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/27/cam-newtons-pitch-to-michael-oher-i-bleeping-need-you/related/

 

 

 

 

Edited February 11, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[52520Andrew]

57 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Ironically, Cam Newton himself text Oher routinely telling him that he "needed" him to come to Carolina and be his left tackle.  

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/27/cam-newtons-pitch-to-michael-oher-i-bleeping-need-you/related

That tells you just how bad the Carolina offensive tackle situation was for them. Byron Bell was absolutely terrible the previous year for them.

I think Miller and Ware are certainly a big reason why both tackles struggled badly in the Super Bowl but I agree with most that they weren't that good to start with. Mike Shula did a fantastic job with what he had on the offense for most of the year and was second in voting for assistant coach of the year behind a certain Wade Phillips. The Carolina offense kept a lot of blockers in and were one of the most effective teams in max protect in the NFL. Shula deserves a lot of credit for just how well that Panthers offense did this year along with Cam Newton of course.