Yall should be glad Ozzie got rid of Oher

[Steve0x]

Micheal Oher worse game tonight at super bowl. If he couldn't protect Cam Newton what makes you think he could protect Flacco?

Edited February 8, 2016 by Steve0x

[PurpleCity5]

"False Start, offense Number 74!" 

Ah, that brings back good memories. 

[sflegend89]

Both the Carolina Tackles got beat like a drum all night, I get that VM and Ware are top flight pass rushers but that was a pathetic. Nice reminder that games are won and lost in the trenches first and foremost. We all want a sexy pick like a WR or CB but I could definitely see us taking Stanley and I would be very happy with it.

[Willbacker]

Hindsight is 20/20.

[jazz1988]

32 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Both the Carolina Tackles got beat like a drum all night, I get that VM and Ware are top flight pass rushers but that was a pathetic. Nice reminder that games are won and lost in the trenches first and foremost. We all want a sexy pick like a WR or CB but I could definitely see us taking Stanley and I would be very happy with it.

 I'll be more happier if it was Buckner or Spence.

Edited February 8, 2016 by jazz1988

[Daft Classic]

Carolina's line really isn't anything special, and Denver exposed that all night. Cam's ability to get out of the pocket is what keeps them alive in games, and the Bronco's D was having none of that tonight

[Winchester]

2 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

 I'll be more happier if it was Buckner or Spence.

Buckner is not an explosive speed rusher. He is an athletic 3-4 defensive end with a little more speed and athleticism than the average player at his position. He is more similar to Wolfe. Spence is the speed rusher the ravens defense has not seen since Boulware and McCrary!!  His draft stock will explode after the league got to watch a speed edge rusher dominate the Superbowl. Spence will be a top10 pick. If Dodd lights up the combine he could go top15 as well with speed rushers in short supply in this draft. It is reason a good OLine is needed!! The patsies and Panthers struggled with the Broncos  because of subpar OLines. And the Broncos DLine is hot and playing its best football. KO would effectively slow Miller up. And Wagner could slow Wares rush considerably. Ravens tackles are very strong but more athletic and explosive than thought to be. KOs work ethic is very underrated. He is far leaner,athletic and more explosive than he was as a rookie. He is a fine left tackle!! As for the patsies and Panthers it is a prolific offenses subpar OLines exposed and holding the offense back. Like the patsies overrated OLine in 2007. Like I said if ravens get some legit weapons the offense will be more prolific than rival prolific offenses because the ravens will front an overpowering mauling yet athletic OLine!! Something rival prolific offenses rarely front. And ravens offense wouldn't struggle playing dominating defenses like prolific offenses with subpar or average OLines. Everybody knows the OLine is strong and nasty but the athleticism of players like Jensen,Urschel, and KO will surprise elite defenses like the Broncos.

[Tru11]

at least he made it back to the sb....

 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

8 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Both the Carolina Tackles got beat like a drum all night, I get that VM and Ware are top flight pass rushers but that was a pathetic. Nice reminder that games are won and lost in the trenches first and foremost. We all want a sexy pick like a WR or CB but I could definitely see us taking Stanley and I would be very happy with it.

 

If we drafted Stanley,he wouldn't play for the next 2-3 years.The large majority of his rookie contract would be spent with him filling in sparingly if/when Monroe gets injured and with us wondering he if could play guard if we lose KO and fail to replace him.

[Militant X 1]

10 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Micheal Oher worse game tonight at super bowl. If he couldn't protect Cam Newton what makes you think he could protect Flacco?

At least he and Dickson played in 2 Super Bowls.  Our guy Flacco has yet to do that!  Hopefully, he will next season and win it all!

 

Let's go Joe!

[The Mom Gene]

I was going to post the same thing this morning...  Aren't you'all glad we didn't re-sign Oher???  Poor Cam!  I really felt bad for the guy...  15 minutes after losing the greatest game of your life, and a shot at the Lombardi, you have to go in front of the world and be humbled.

[The Mom Gene]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

at least he made it back to the sb....

 

And he did a crappy job of blocking/guarding Cam.  And oh yeah. there was that false start penalty too.

[52520Andrew]

Not the biggest fan of Oher by any stretch but I will say one thing he can actually do. Stay healthy

[GrimCoconut]

I told people having a QB who can threaten the defense as a runner and passer is what made Oher look better than he is. When Cam couldn't extend the play by escaping the pocket due to the Broncos' speed that sealed his fate. 

[atomicfront]

Ozzie didn't get rid of Oher.  He left for a big pay day in free-agency.  But he definitely was not the solution for the Ravens at left tackle.  I don't know how you can praise Ozzie in this situation as he did use a first round pick on Oher.  Well actually a first and a fifth as he traded up to get him. 

Edited February 8, 2016 by atomicfront

[Tru11]

16 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

And he did a crappy job of blocking/guarding Cam.  And oh yeah. there was that false start penalty too.

Shame on him.

Cant believe a bum of a player like Ware got the best of him.
This Ware guy should not even be in the NFL cause he is such a terrible player and lets not even get started on this miller felaa.

Such crappy players got the best of Oher and the panthers o-line.
Its not like the broncos had the #1 defense orso.....

Its hilarious though how some of you wanna talk smack about a guy who actually helped his team to get to the SB while we did not even made the play offs and had our first losing season in years.

the saltiness is real.

 

 

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Shame on him.

Cant believe a bum of a player like Ware got the best of him.
This Ware guy should not even be in the NFL cause he is such a terrible player and lets not even get started on this miller felaa.

Such crappy players got the best of Oher and the panthers o-line.
Its not like the broncos had the #1 defense orso.....

Its hilarious though how some of you wanna talk smack about a guy who actually helped his team to get to the SB while we did not even made the play offs and had our first losing season in years.

the saltiness is real.

Have you ever considered that Cam Newton's running abilities did Oher a lot of favors? Cam Newton is pretty damn well known for being able to step up in the pocket and run through the interior for large chunks of yards. He didn't get almost 700 yards by solely using the read option. 

I'm not saying Ware is a bad player by any stretch or that the Broncos pass rush isn't fierce, but they used a spy to limit Cam Newton's running ability and it exposed the offensive line in the worst way. 

[GrimCoconut]

8 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Shame on him.

Cant believe a bum of a player like Ware got the best of him.
This Ware guy should not even be in the NFL cause he is such a terrible player and lets not even get started on this miller felaa.

Such crappy players got the best of Oher and the panthers o-line.
Its not like the broncos had the #1 defense orso.....

Its hilarious though how some of you wanna talk smack about a guy who actually helped his team to get to the SB while we did not even made the play offs and had our first losing season in years.

the saltiness is real.

 

 

Oher was disliked here for years and he did help us get there (nobody said otherwise) but I've seen posts in RavensTalk saying how Ozzie screwed up letting Oher go. That's what this thread seems to be based. 

I get your whole "go against the grain," devil's advocate stuff, but you frankly look ignorant and simply foolish in your comments as much or more than someone saying Oher sucked against the Broncos. 

As @BmoreBird22 said, Oher benefited a lot from Cam Newton. He struggled in Tennessee and in Baltimore at the end. There's really no debating this. 

[berad]

Have no ill will towards Oher, he performed well enough here - he was durable and played all along the OL. However, he was not worth re-signing to Ozzie and signed a relatively modest 4 year - $20M deal with the Titans. The Titans cut him at the end of the 2014 season.

He's an average pro. Nothing wrong with that, it's admirable. His flaws were on full display on Sunday, though.

 

[Tru11]

6 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Have you ever considered that Cam Newton's running abilities did Oher a lot of favors? Cam Newton is pretty damn well known for being able to step up in the pocket and run through the interior for large chunks of yards. He didn't get almost 700 yards by solely using the read option. 

I'm not saying Ware is a bad player by any stretch or that the Broncos pass rush isn't fierce, but they used a spy to limit Cam Newton's running ability and it exposed the offensive line in the worst way. 

 

A capable QB will always do the o-line favours.
Just like a solid WR unit will do the same.

The panther have 1 but not the other.

Oher would certainly benefit from Cam ability to buy time and use his feet but those sorry excuse of a receivers would put a lot of pressure on the o-line to buy enough time for them to get open so in the end it actually evens out.
not to mention all those options run stuff played a big role as well in slowing down the pass rush.

But lets not kid ourself though.

That broncos defense has made plenty o-lines look awful this season so just singling out oher to bash seems really classless to much which is my point.

especially when you consider that he is at able to play for his team while the guy we have kept over him has barely seen the field these past 2 seasons.

unless you consider hurst an upgrade over oher lel.

 

 

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Oher was disliked here for years and he did help us get there (nobody said otherwise) but I've seen posts in RavensTalk saying how Ozzie screwed up letting Oher go. That's what this thread seems to be based. 

I get your whole "go against the grain," devil's advocate stuff, but you frankly look ignorant and simply foolish in your comments as much or more than someone saying Oher sucked against the Broncos. 

As @BmoreBird22 said, Oher benefited a lot from Cam Newton. He struggled in Tennessee and in Baltimore at the end. There's really no debating this. 

ignorant are you guys who act like this is the only time the broncos exposed an o-line.

they have basically been doing this the entire season including to us in week 1.

heck they totally destroyed that pats o-line giving brady the worst beating of his career.

i find it ridiculous for people to go and bash oher for no reason.

in hindsight it might have actually been better to have kept oher btw because the guy we kept over him has been collecting a pay check and barely playing.
not to mention when he played it wasn't exactly at the highest level so....

 

In the end though if you guys think its okay to bash oher for having a bad game against the best defense in the league then go ahead.
I have seen very few do a better job then him so whatever....

[GrimCoconut]

13 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

 

A capable QB will always do the o-line favours.
Just like a solid WR unit will do the same.

The panther have 1 but not the other.

Oher would certainly benefit from Cam ability to buy time and use his feet but those sorry excuse of a receivers would put a lot of pressure on the o-line to buy enough time for them to get open so in the end it actually evens out.
not to mention all those options run stuff played a big role as well in slowing down the pass rush.

But lets not kid ourself though.

That broncos defense has made plenty o-lines look awful this season so just singling out oher to bash seems really classless to much which is my point.

especially when you consider that he is at able to play for his team while the guy we have kept over him has barely seen the field these past 2 seasons.

unless you consider hurst an upgrade over oher lel.

 

 

ignorant are you guys who act like this is the only time the broncos exposed an o-line.

they have basically been doing this the entire season including to us in week 1.

heck they totally destroyed that pats o-line giving brady the worst beating of his career.

i find it ridiculous for people to go and bash oher for no reason.

in hindsight it might have actually been better to have kept oher btw because the guy we kept over him has been collecting a pay check and barely playing.
not to mention when he played it wasn't exactly at the highest level so....

 

In the end though if you guys think its okay to bash oher for having a bad game against the best defense in the league then go ahead.
I have seen very few do a better job then him so whatever....

You just look like a fool to me and probably anyone else reading this thread since it's clear to me you don't read and just jump to your own conclusions. I just read the entire thread and I didn't get the impression from anyone that Carolina didn't face the best defense in 2015 football. In fact a few people pointed this out and said as much. You'll probably ignore this fact as a means to save face, but I find it interesting how you quote @The Mom Gene insinuating that she's claiming that Oher faced inferior talent. I mean, come on and get real. Your contrarian attitude for the sake of it just doesn't make sense. Nobody called Oher trash here. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

You just look like a fool to me and probably anyone else reading this thread since it's clear to me you don't read and just jump to your own conclusions. I just read the entire thread and I didn't get the impression from anyone that Carolina didn't face the best defense in 2015 football. In fact a few people pointed this out and said as much. You'll probably ignore this fact as a means to save face, but I find it interesting how you quote @The Mom Gene insinuating that she's claiming that Oher faced inferior talent. I mean, come on and get real. Your contrarian attitude for the sake of it just doesn't make sense. Nobody called Oher trash here. 

 

i guess you missed the part where Mom quoted me first and thus why i directly replied to her in a quote of my own.
which also explains why my reply did not take in consideration what others said.

guess you haven't figured out yet how this quoting thing works with the new lay out.
so much for you reading the thread...

 

 

 

 

[GrimCoconut]

51 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

 

i guess you missed the part where Mom quoted me first and thus why i directly replied to her in a quote of my own.
which also explains why my reply did not take in consideration what others said.

guess you haven't figured out yet how this quoting thing works with the new lay out.
so much for you reading the thread.

I did read the thread. I know you replied to her reply to you, but my point still stands that nothing she said implied that the Broncos are some scrubs. You're manifesting your own interpretation to satisfy your own agenda.

Edited February 10, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I did read the thread. I know you replied to her reply to you, but my point still stands that nothing she said implied that the Broncos are some scrubs. You're manifesting your own interpretation to satisfy your own agenda.

Yeah, I've read through the entire thread and I have yet to see anyone try to downplay the Broncos and their defense. In fact, I'm sure every single person in this thread would agree that's the reason that the Broncos even won the Super Bowl. They had the lowest offensive output of any Super Bowl victor ever, so...

Still, just because it's a good pass rush does not mean that Oher's deficiencies were easily masked by the fact that Cam Newton loved to take off and run up the middle of the defense when the pressure would come from the outside. Are we really supposed to believe that he was terrible in Baltimore as his career wore on, got cut after his first year in Tennessee, and was one of the worst run blockers in Carolina, but all of a sudden learned how to pass block at a super high level? I don't think so. Again, Cam's ability to run made him look far better than he was. He's still bad.

I wouldn't continue to argue if I were you. He's trying to hard to be a contrarian at this point in time.

[GrimCoconut]

13 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Yeah, I've read through the entire thread and I have yet to see anyone try to downplay the Broncos and their defense. In fact, I'm sure every single person in this thread would agree that's the reason that the Broncos even won the Super Bowl. They had the lowest offensive output of any Super Bowl victor ever, so...

Still, just because it's a good pass rush does not mean that Oher's deficiencies were easily masked by the fact that Cam Newton loved to take off and run up the middle of the defense when the pressure would come from the outside. Are we really supposed to believe that he was terrible in Baltimore as his career wore on, got cut after his first year in Tennessee, and was one of the worst run blockers in Carolina, but all of a sudden learned how to pass block at a super high level? I don't think so. Again, Cam's ability to run made him look far better than he was. He's still bad.

I wouldn't continue to argue if I were you. He's trying to hard to be a contrarian at this point in time.

I certainly agree on every account. I said a while ago how I was surprised how Oher played at LT in Carolina while struggling here and in Tennessee. I later watched him and realized it had to do with Newton helping him look good because Newton is so good at escaping the pocket and moving around and can both throw and run effectively, keeping the defense guessing until the perfect defense figured it out how to beat them using excellent talent. You're also right about the contrarian thing. I'll leave it. 

[BmoreBird22]

8 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I certainly agree on every account. I said a while ago how I was surprised how Oher played at LT in Carolina while struggling here and in Tennessee. I later watched him and realized it had to do with Newton helping him look good because Newton is so good at escaping the pocket and moving around and can both throw and run effectively, keeping the defense guessing until the perfect defense figured it out how to beat them using excellent talent. You're also right about the contrarian thing. I'll leave it. 

I'm done at this point, too, honestly. 

I don't miss him at all. I'm glad he had another shot at a Super Bowl, but he wasn't going to help the Ravens win one this year.

[The Raven]

6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

You just look like a fool to me and probably anyone else reading this thread since it's clear to me you don't read and just jump to your own conclusions. I just read the entire thread and I didn't get the impression from anyone that Carolina didn't face the best defense in 2015 football. In fact a few people pointed this out and said as much. You'll probably ignore this fact as a means to save face, but I find it interesting how you quote @The Mom Gene insinuating that she's claiming that Oher faced inferior talent. I mean, come on and get real. Your contrarian attitude for the sake of it just doesn't make sense. Nobody called Oher trash here. 

 

Oher is a trash left tackle.

Whoops. Sorry I just really think Oher is bad and couldn't resist.

[GrimCoconut]

16 minutes ago, The Raven said:

 

Oher is a trash left tackle.

Whoops. Sorry I just really think Oher is bad and couldn't resist.

Lol well now you went and did it. 

[Tru11]

6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I did read the thread. I know you replied to her reply to you, but my point still stands that nothing she said implied that the Broncos are some scrubs. You're manifesting your own interpretation to satisfy your own agenda.

same can be said about you.

please point out where she praised the broncos defense.
she did not mention anything about them at all.

All she did was talk about how bad oher was, with no mention about the rest of the team nor the opponent he played.

its cute though that you try use what others said and try to spin it like she said that as well.

Guess you guys are just salty Oher made it back to the big game before we did and thus felt the need to thrash the poor guy.

Carry on with the blind hate lel

 

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, Tru11 said:

same can be said about you.

please point out where she praised the broncos defense.
she did not mention anything about them at all.

All she did was talk about how bad oher was, with no mention about the rest of the team nor the opponent he played.

its cute though that you try use what others said and try to spin it like she said that as well.

Guess you guys are just salty Oher made it back to the big game before we did and thus felt the need to thrash the poor guy.

Carry on with the blind hate lel

 

So, your entire argument is basically based on the fact that she didn't talk about the Broncos defense being good, as if that's not widely accepted? I'm sure she watched that game and went, "Gee, this defense is really something else. It's worse than what the Ravens had." 

I'm honestly amazed that you keep trying to keep this argument up because it's just looking worse and worse for you. I said I was done, but this is a whole new level of reaching for nothing. I'm rereading the thread and no where is anyone making any actual concrete statements or insinuations about the Broncos defense, at all. The comments are solely focused on Michael Oher and his play. But, I guess if your entire argument is based on one entire false idea, you'll keep grabbing at it no matter what. Grim never tried to spin it to say that he was good- just been saying the exact same thing: that no one said the defense was bad. Never did he try to spin it to say that the Mom Gene or anyone else said they were good.

I mean, I don't feel the need to trash the guy, but he's flat out one of the worst blockers in the league. Please, explain to me how he regresses in his time in Baltimore, gets cut after one year in Tennessee, and is one of the worst run blockers in Carolina, but is somehow some great pass blocker? Trust me, it wasn't just one game that showed this issue. 

But hey, continue to fill your agenda and not watch other team's games.

Oh, and here's one fatal flaw to your argument about people being salty Oher made it to the Super Bowl- No one, that I've seen, is ripping Ed Dickson, or even Dwan Edwards for that matter. This entire argument is bad.

Edited February 10, 2016 by BmoreBird22